Strange Article. Is Ra Negative Entity to Carla?

my path to searching in this life and awakening began with a message from the one who personifies Lucifer. in 2018 a new message was made public, but through those who are not directly connected with Lucifer, but rather follow his activities on this planet. the message is very interesting.

and when i once again wanted to reread the text, i found a beautifully designed site: LOVETRUTHS metaphysical studies

where the text i needed was collected. in addition, i found articles there that write about Ra. thoughts. they seemed extremely interesting to me. i want to insert here the moments from there that seemed the most interesting/strange to me. here is the link to the article: Why does Ra say ‘We are not those of the Love or of the Light’


Why does Ra say We are not those of the Love or the Light? 1.1 Ra is simply stating that he is not of the love density (fourth) or the light density (fifth), says nearly every Ra interpreter.

→ Ra’s intentional, direct provocation

The idea of being not of the Love or of the Light 1.1 was so problematic to Carla that she initially rejected Ra’s contact. P.75–6 The statement was so challenging to L/L Research that they omitted the sentence from the original and 2020 printings, not even including it with Book V’s restored fragments. In the two L/L Research sources in which the line does appear, it is presented as We are not those of the Love [density] or of the Light [density] and footnoted to add clarity to what we believe to be Ra’s intended meaning. P.25 But density is not the point of Ra’s statement.

I believe that We are not those of the Love or the Light 1.1 is an intentional, direct provocation of the channeling group, particularly Carla.

Love and light were Carla’s most cherished concepts. She and Don had, 11 years earlier, named their partnership according to these words. P.49 She dedicated her channeling to love and light. 2.8.2008 When preparing to channel, Carla asked for the highest and best contact which I can receive of Jesus the Christ’s vibration of unconditional love P.8 that is, she asked for contact at the level of fourth density, the poles of which are love and light. 3.10 17.12

Ra’s response, We are not those of the Love or the Light, 1.1 is directly confrontational to Carla, a challenge to what she held most dear. With the greatest possible clarity and in his honor/duty to respect Carla’s free will, Ra informs Carla that he is not that what she seeks, requiring that she make a fully informed and articulated choice to reject Ra or to nonetheless accept the contact.

This was not Carla’s first clash with Ra. Minutes before she spoke We are not those of the Love or the Light, 1.1 Carla and Ra mentally tussled over whether the contact would proceed. When Ra first knock-knock-knock[ed] on my inner door on January 15, 1981, there was a mutual rejection of sorts, aacording to Carla: Ra was indignant about Carla’s challenge and Carla interpreted the name Ra as fairly negatively oriented. Carla opened up to them only when she felt satisfied with Ra’s answer to three more challenges. P.75–6

Neither was this Carla’s first encounter with the name Ra. I kept getting, I am Ra. I’m thinking, I don’t want to talk to a Ra, she told Gary Bean in Tilting at Windmills, …not something I wanted to encourage. P.75

and a strange coincidence:

Carla had been warned about Ra by Oahspe: A New Bible, the 1882 automatic writing of the Words of Jehovih by an American dentist. Carla quoted Oahspe extensively in Secrets of the UFO (1977) and Voices of the Confederation (drafted 1975; published 2016). Oahspe provided the name for Don and Carla’s early ’70s Louisville meditation circle P.63 and heavily influenced the Ra material. Here’s what Oahspe says about Ra:

From that very same Oahspe Book of Aph, Son of Jehovih, Carla and Don lifted the Hidan of Maukbeiangjow 2:13 name for the goofball ’70s sci-fi spoof which they wrote and produced and in which Carla starred. (A trailer for the 1973 flick playfully addresses why it was retitled Invasion of the Girl Snatchers.) Aph the wizard can be seen in the trailer and two clips delivering the archaic and invented language from his namesake Oahspe chapter, Book of Aph, 15: 2:1 2:13 8:1 as well as from Oahspe’s Book of Thor 13:12 and Book of Osiris. 2:28 I decided I’d take all of the language from Oahspe and make him [Aph] be very high-flown, Carla said in an interviewabout the film. So a lot of Aph’s language is right out of Oahspe.

“Ra was fully aware of what he was doing. Fortunately for those who appreciate the Ra material, Carla chose to nonetheless allow the contact. This allowance does not mean that Carla stepped aside and transparently voiced Ra’s words. Carla’s shaping of the material — while in and out of trance — is an extensive discussion outside of the scope of this piece, but as a single example, consider that Carla believed that Ra’s basic message is love, love, love. P.350 That was not an initial misunderstanding — it was a statement she made in 2014, after 30 years with the Ra material. Actually, love, love, love was Carla’s lifelong trademark, as is abundantly clear from her books, interviews, and conscious channelings, and Carla wanted that to be Ra’s also — even though it actually was not. Carla first fought with Ra over We are not those of the Love or the Light, and she continued that fight for the rest of her life.”

so i read this article and I don’t understand two things:

  1. who is the author and how does he/she know so much? what amazes me most is how many inserts are given in the article and it shows that the author takes everything he writes absolutely seriously.
  2. Carla often quoted the book. Perhaps the name Ra is just a coincidence and has nothing to do with the book? I mean, how could there be two advanced beings with the same name? It must be weird when the names are the same. Then who was the book Oahspe talking about, if the book can be trusted at all?

I am interested in your opinions. I couldn’t help but create a post, I can’t be indifferent.

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In my opinion, it is not difficult to distort any source of information to fit the point of view of the beholder. Hence why using our own discernment is key in all things.


I agree with you, but if we think about it, I mean about information in the article, why did Ra start his speech with that particular phrase? I mean, why, for example, not with greetings and wishes for the best, but with words that to a channeller might seem most repulsive. was it a kind of “test of willpower”? i mean, “is Carla stop trying?”.

And I’m also wondering, I don’t remember, did Ra explicitly state anywhere in the text that he considered himself a positive entity? or maybe hints. Just curious.

No, and that’s their point, as I read it. They are beyond the dichotomy of of dark and light. Where they’re at, they encompass all of creation, except for some small part of it which they continue to study. It’s true that they are not about “love, love, love.” They are about love balanced with wisdom. This is what the Law of One (the experience of it) is all about, as I understand it.


Thank you for the answer. it turns out that it is not clear to what exactly they belong to, as the boundaries are blurred, and they can show traits of both polarities at different moments.

and speaking about densities, you have pushed me to an interesting idea that the 6th density entity is aware of creation, but is not in direct connection with the void/8th density, the 6th density entity is connected with the higher self and its creator/creator of its higher self, who is in the 7th density. but the creator in the 7th density has a connection with this abyss/void, where he came from.

if 6th density already sees much of creation, but can still personify itself as a separate “I”, then what does a 7th density creator see? see more or the same? do you have any thoughts?

LOL, yeah, my thought is: Don’t over think it.

Personally, I’m curious which aspect of this octave Ra still is working with, what are the most difficult elements of this for them after all this time?

Ra talks about having teachers from beyond 6D, yet they are still having to plod their way along, carefully sifting through the catalyst of this octave. If they will have worked through all of that before they go (and there is a quote from them along those lines), then the work of 7D is beyond the realm of working through catalyst, for the most part. This is how I view this, for whatever such speculation might be worth.

Densities 1-6 are about knowing the creation through identifying with it. Ra says, there is not light nor dark, no good nor bad, only identity. After the entire span of this octave is experienced and accepted, then comes the work of pure being. I have some idea of what that looks like here, but cannot imagine this work at the level of 7D.

Even so, I say it’s a damned good idea to ground self in awareness of being right here and right now. After all, that is stuff of eternity, not internet conversations. heh heh


1 who is the author and how does he/she know so much? what amazes me most is how many inserts are given in the article and it shows that the author takes everything he writes absolutely seriously.

Anything that is hidden requires shadow and darkness.

I sensed the “loyal companion” from that site.

2 Carla often quoted the book. Perhaps the name Ra is just a coincidence and has nothing to do with the book? I mean, how could there be two advanced beings with the same name? It must be weird when the names are the same. Then who was the book Oahspe talking about, if the book can be trusted at all?

Is not that it’s just a “coincidence.” There are always two in creation, the natural polarities of duality.

Remember the mentioning of the first “yahweh?” as being of the confederation? and how the second one is a copy-cat from the crusaders (aka Orion/negative groups) using the in-road to distort and corrupt the work of the confederation entity? There is a pattern here.

Same thing with the old and new testament, etc. etc.

One pattern that I noticed from the negative groups is that they do not know how to be authentic,
nor do they actually “create” anything.

They are more of the “user” and decay of creation, only leeching and absorbing the light/love into themselves.

Hence, there is no truth in the left hand path, it is merely an imitation of right or in this case…“light.”

I find the left hand path boring, and lacks novelty. The only “new” things they do is how they pillage and manipulate the virginity of upcoming entities from 1st - 3rd.

Literally abusing young souls and children by any means.

Although, that itself is a paradox, and a division perspective of unity.

In the end, the journey home only visit the light, the love, and the freewill of this creation in the order of the first three distortion that separated the all.

Much light


I was just sitting there looking. AND I FOUND.

36.1 Questioner: In previous communications you have spoken of the mind/body/spirit complex totality. Would you please give us a definition of the mind/body/spirit complex totality?

Ra: I am Ra. There is a dimension in which time does not have sway. In this dimension, the mind/body/spirit in its eternal dance of the present may be seen in totality, and before the mind/body/spirit complex which then becomes a part of the social memory complex is willingly absorbed into the allness of the One Creator, the entity knows itself in its totality.

This mind/body/spirit complex totality functions as, shall we say, a resource for what you perhaps would call the higher self. The higher self, in turn, is a resource for examining the distillations of third-density experience and programming further experience. This is also true of densities four, five, and six with the mind/body/spirit complex totality coming into consciousness in the course of seventh density.

Ra says that there is a resource where your Higher Self comes from and that this is the dimension where you are fully aware of yourself before you return to the infinite creator (8th density). and Ra directly says that this is the 7th density.


great find!

Seems like at 7th, we finally are able to put down the controller and stop playing the cosmic video game and finally moves on to cosmic youtube videos. Lol

On the topic of higher-self and “possible” confederation/wanderer materials, Christian Sundberg, the interviewee of this video shares great insight.

The reason I sense Christian to be a wanderer because he fits the description.

Feel free to check it out if you feel so inclined.


I found another one!!

37.6 Questioner: In that case, we’ll go ahead with the questions we have here continuing the last session. You said that each third-density entity has an higher self in the sixth density which is moving to the mind/body/spirit complex of the entity as needed. Does this higher self also evolve in growth through the densities beginning with the first density, and does each higher self have a corresponding higher self advanced in densities beyond it?

Ra: I am Ra. To simplify this concept is our intent. The higher self is a manifestation given to the late sixth-density mind/body/spirit complex as a gift from its future selfness. The mid-seventh density’s last action before turning towards the allness of the Creator and gaining spiritual mass is to give this resource to the sixth-density self, moving as you measure time in the stream of time.

This self, the mind/body/spirit complex of late sixth density, has then the honor/duty of using both the experiences of its total living bank or memory of experienced thoughts and actions, and using the resource of the mind/body/spirit complex totality left behind as a type of infinitely complex thought-form.

In this way you may see your self, your higher self or Oversoul, and your mind/body/spirit complex totality as three points in a circle. The only distinction is that of your time/space continuum. All are the same being.



so you mean that negative entities take on other entity’s (probably famous) names and try to do evil in their name?




In some respects, I consider the perspective
of LLResearch as STO polarized. And with
such perspective, it may be that perception
is filtered in a way something holistic appears
negative, not recognizing STO alone is not
entirely whole. I’m not sure Ra dumbed down
to look STO compatible for Carla, where some
misgivings might then be expected. Thinking
about this in a density paradigm might have
been helpful, i.e. to see Ra with a 6th density
perspective may be less confusing then with
a 3rd/4th/5th density STO perspective. If you
can accept that each density/polarization
might carry a corresponding perspective,
then each density might be more acceptable
from the compatible vantage.
There seems some skill in self acceptance,
in carefully shifting perspective to context.

I applaud the scholarship in that article, and it’s an interesting thesis worth considering, but I don’t think it indicates in any way that Carla saw Ra as negative. It instead suggests that Carla wanted Ra to be something they aren’t, which I can sympathize with. She trusted her challenge.

I will admit I was shocked to see how the original publications excluded this passage (I had to check the books myself). It could be that Carla wanted it left out, sure, but Don strikes me as mostly in charge of what got put out from Ra at that time. There’s another possibility: when Tobey Wheelock did his re-listen to the original recordings, he found like fifty Q+As that Jim had erroneously dropped on the floor. So it’s also possible the omission was a mistake.


It seems members of the Confederation have a specific purpose. Is this true with you, and if so, what is your purpose?


I am Ra. We communicate now. We, too, have our place. We are not those of the Love [density] or of the Light [density]. 1 We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

We are old upon your planet and have served with varying degrees of success in transmitting the Law of One, of Unity, of Singleness to your peoples. We have walked your earth. We have seen the faces of your peoples. This is not so with many of the entities of the Confederation. We found it was not efficacious.

However, we then felt the great responsibility of staying in the capacity of removing the distortions and powers that had been given to the Law of One. We will continue in this until your, shall we say, cycle is appropriately ended. If not this one, then the next. We are not a part of time, and thus are able to be with you in any of your times.

Does this give you enough information from which to extract our purpose, my brother?

Before beginning the channeling with Ra, the L/L Research group had the opportunity to channel other entities, including Hatonn and Latwii, who identified themselves as entities from the 4th and 5th densities.

The 4th density is the density of Love.
The 5th density is the density of Light.

Therefore, knowing this context, the words that Ra is neither of Love nor of Light mean that they do not originate from the 4th density (density of Love) and do not originate from the 5th density.

This passage means - when read in the context of the entire work of L/L Research - that Ra wanted to say (note that this was the first session with Ra) that from now LLR group would be dealing with something more than just the complexes of beings of Love and Light per se.


At what density level is Ra?


I am Ra. I am sixth density with a strong seeking towards seventh density. The harvest for us will be in only approximately two and one-half million of your years, and it is our desire to be ready for harvest as it approaches in our space/time continuum.


And you ready yourselves for harvest through the best service you can provide. Is this correct?


This is correct. We offer the Law of One, the solving of paradoxes, the balancing of love/light and light/love.

At this point, Ra acknowledges that they are of the 6th density and work with light and love.

As for Ra’s teachings in general, from my perspective as someone who knows this material and uses it, I definitely evaluate it positively. And in the context of the entire work of L/L Research, Ra also expresses itself as an STO source. I don’t think this is just my opinion.

Compared to other channelings with different channeled entities of LLR group and the overall knowledge in this field and in comparison to other channelings from other groups, Ra stands out as a very positive and loving source, respecting free will and sharing the truth.

Now, let’s move on to the summary: What can be inferred from the LLR material is that the 6th density involves unifying light and love; this is the fundamental work to be done at this level before moving on to the 7th density.

At the 7th density, the integration of fully developed individualities takes place, which had time to develop in densities 1 through 6. After the ultimate unification of Consciousness meaning the full work done by the Creator, uniting all these individual, fully developed, consciousnesses, the Creator is ready to transition to the 8th density where no work is done, as all work has already been completed. If it is “His” will, “He” may begin a new Octave of experience starting from the 1st density upward.

Ra say (from the passage cited above): “We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one.”

And also from Ra: “I am sixth density with a strong seeking towards seventh density.”

Integrating all of this, Ra are precisely such ‘late’ complexes of beings that are close to full development as individual consciousnesses. Hence, their discussion of the Law of One and the complete integration of everything that pertains to individual development. Ra’s philosophy permeates from the 6th density to the 7th density, where the Creator is their teacher.

Additionally, it should be noted that Ra’s development occurs through love, light, and the integration of light and love, which is clearly evident in their behavior and the philosophy they espouse. This is fundamental to integrating the totality of their entire individual being (including understanding of the negative polarity in their development) before transitioning to the 7th density, where individual identity is abandoned and one becomes solely a universal infinite being.

Also, it is worth adding, as far as I know, as a non-direct member of the LLR group but a member of this forum, that the contact with Ra was very successful and was another properly taken step in Carla Rueckert’s work. This subsequently resulted in the channeling of Q’uo, which is the principle that binds Ra, Hatonn, and Latwii.


if an entity gets to 7th density, it becomes the creator there, which it entity always was, right? then i wonder, is it the same creator for all of us? or does each individual entity have its own version of individual creator in 7th density? what do you think about that?

i created new thread about it with my thoughts

I don’t see why any negative entity, who would be expected to completely conceal their chosen polarity, would come out with something like that which would place doubt on their credibility.

The idea of Ra meaning the love and light densities makes a lot more sense logically to me at the risk of sounding biased. Especially considering Ra is of unity. 6th density isn’t just love light it’s unity.

But if Ra were negatively polarized, we wouldn’t get a random admission of that especially one of the first communications that happened.

Also, yes Ra and all the other confederation entities explicitly state that they are of positive polarity and desire to serve others many many times.


Ra describes his polarity as unified, as that’s the nature of mid 6th density, but he also states he desires to serve others. I don’t think being in that unified state of 6th density would exclude being in service to others.

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Great write up. I’m convinced the majority of the people who are really stuck on the accuracy and intent of the Ra material haven’t been through it all the way OR need to go through it once more or a couple more times.

It’s not something you can fully retain after one reading, and I notice a lot of the fear comes from trying to pull the material from memory alone