Earth transition to 4th density and its labor pains

[Usernamewho]

Holy hell guys, you all harmonized like crazy since yesterday, I really shouldve checked the forum last night. Let me fly with you all. -heart-
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Animal related forums?? Woah, you are def better than I, I can’t even stand animal planet. I think really its the voice-over guy on those channels…its like, History, Discovery, Travel, they all literally hired the exact same guy and its like, wth…his voice is so, like, ugggghhhh make it stooooop.

Gee thanks -smile- I’m super glad you dig it, I mean, it is pretty badass I agree. See, the thing about The Joker is, and I can assume you already know this and all that good stuff, is that he at his core represents total anarchy or as some tarot readers call The Causeless Cause and that’s particularly interesting because a lot of people think about God that way…y’know? How they’re all like “God is just an child with an ant farm”. And so -shrug- in a very real way Batman has always been the story of The Joker as opposed to the other way around.

Y’know, we live in a crazy world, even the West is crazy lol. But as far as living the life as a wanderer in this crazy playground of ours a lot of wanderers get caught up in dogma, y’know? And a lot of them lose their way because of that, but see the thing about it is its easy to do. Its sooo easy to subconsciously or consciously or whatever to box people and ourselves in these little worlds and, y’know, to an extent I think we all maybe have to on some level, just so we can play the game with our brothers and sisters y’know lol -smile-
But if youre someone who construes their meta-physical nine-to-five, sorta speak, to be giving light to people The Joker really is like a mascot to all we’re about brother, in a way haha. Cause in our hearts we really don’t give a f-- about non of this shiz. We really are out here in the third having fun lol lol you know? But anyway bro that’s my shpeel on that.

Yeeeaaa, the internet is interesting on many levels dude I tooootally agree lol. Dude, this was a lawless land when we were coming up haha! But I freaking love the games people try to play on it, especially social media oh my God man…so many lonely souls but -shrug- we do the best we can to help.

Well, y’know, there are a lot of people who at this point are comfortable with the knowing that capitalism ultimately leads to communism and the less capital we have the less freedom we have. But before the whole of capitalism falls our World War will happen, that will happen way before we can really see the total annihilation of the system of currency, but I sense Tadeus would, and rightly so, note that The Third World War is an direct result of the governmental agents needs and lack of needs, wants and lack of wants that are only incurred due to the our systemic financial structers…and brother Tadeus would be right…-shrug-

Heck yeh, shout out to the Chinese/Taiwanese man, all of em. I just…wish we could…I don’t know…
They deserve so much more. And see its like, this constant wax and waning between love of self and love others because I mean, personally, I’m like “Let’s all just round em up and bring them here” but we can’t do that, they deserve to have peace right there in that spot right where they are. At some point we have to love ourselves, is that selfish? Yes.
Is it negative? Well…

I want this World War to mean something, because we can’t stop it. But it has to mean something once its over, it has to.

And see, that’s the thing about the media. It is the best way for us to have an “world perspective”, I mean where else are you gonna find out about who the richest Saudi Arabian arms dealer is…the media lol but the thing is for the un-disciplined incarnate mayhem sells and is more of the attention grabber so…they have to report these kinds of things because the unharmonious entities at this time gravitate more towards that and they know the do so… It makes the world appear as though it were filled with bad people but nah, nine times out of ten on this planet at this time people choose the light over the dark if forced to choose in the grand scheme. If it weren’t for the guides and the wanderers though not only would this World War end in total destruction of our race, but it would polarize negatively simply due to the kinds of STS’s who we have trying to polarize us the other way. I like them, they know how the psychological maniplative artifices of the human mind of the third works, which is difficult for any spirit to do with any planetary race they are interested in interacting with -shrug-.

Well Tadeus the light will always get brighter because…well…that’s what light does haha -smile- but…
The thing about the Elite is and I touched on this briefly in another thread when I first came to the forum that in order to really rule a whole world of STO’s as an STS is to become an STO lol the two have to come hand in hand if everyone on an planet is going to willingly follow you. The only way that can happen without polarizing positively is if you use force and the problem with that is that eventually you’ll get an collective of entities who are indulging in love of self, and thus, with time, the empire falls. So…what the Elite did lol, is made the brothers and sisters we are guiding believe they are more powerful than they really have the ability to be as incarnate third density beings, which is risky because its a gamble on assuming how the humans will react. But they went ahead and ran that route sensing that they kind of had to in order to not lose nearly all their polarity grounds that they definitely wouldn’t get back at this point in time…

See…you know what makes The Joker so…well…funny?? Its that here it is, this guy kills hundreds, terrorizing an whole city called Gotham. Everyday there’s a new tragedy, a new psycopathic murder, a new “joke” if you will. And this guy Batman only half the time saves the day.

Joker kills thirty, Batman may save thirty-one. Joker kills fifty, Batman saves forty nine for that day. Back and forth back and forth back and forth. All those souls lost, an whole city in utter destruction in every way but name only and Batman will not change his…“methods” because of one tragic moment when his parents were killed before his very eyes. When Bruce Wayne witnessed the homicide he blamed his self more than any child should ever blame theirselves for their parents death. He looked at his dead mother and dead father, his father was an politician. He was tough on crime but fair. He, Thomas Wayne, believed that everyone, no matter who it was, deserved their due in Court. He was well liked and was a favorite to have went on to be mayor of Gotham, until he was murdered in cold blood In a random mugging. Young Bruce saw what took sixty seconds in what might as well have been hours. He looked at his father and in that moment deep inside he believed that had “someone” been there, had taken action his father would still be alive. This spawned an in human power to deal with oppressors with no fatalities. “For my father” he says to his self. Every life he saves to him he sees his self only saving his parents. Over and over again. Until he comes to grips with someone who he can’t stop. Sure, he may capture him, but he always escapes. Batman, the dark knight, an hero that stopped everyone he er came across but this one. And this man killed nearly everyone close to Batman accept his butler, yet Batman will not do something that to him represents the opposite of what his father lived and ultimately died for.
Joker, somehow someway knows this hole within Batman’s soul and thus does he commit killing after killing, “joke” after “joke”, and Batman is the punchline every time. It is because Batman, since his parents died, has been chasing some vision based on a perception of something believed by the people who brought him into this world and Joker knows this…he knows almost as though an part of Batman’s soul were his very own…and brings him laughter. And so he laughs…
He laughs and laughs and laughs. When he kills successfully, he laughs. When he fails, he laughs. When he escapes, he laughs. When he gets caught he laughs. Every bit of it is funny because he knows what Batman sees in him, just another common thug that belongs in he system and “Hell stop him like he’s done everyone else in Gotham” but he can’t, Joker has the same gift he does just in reverse and he knows that too. And so round and round it goes because of this gifted broken child who constantly thinks this mans evil, his actions can be reconciled with a cell and a court hearing
with a dream keeps pining because he cannot, he refuses to accept The Jokers message: That its all a dream.

And that’s what the Elite did with our brothers and sisters on Earth. Instead of trying to control their minds they fueled their suspicions that an “one percent” was out there, somewhere watching from the un touchable mountains lol.
Where are they? Are they in Washington? Are they in space? Underground? Is it the Illuminati? Or maybe the Bilderberg Group…how about Skull and Bones. Nay, the Annunaki then, the Reptilians, The Greys. Their trick worked brothers -sigh- because, as planned, now we are looking for “them”, the “All Seeing Eye”. That hidden mansion, that secret island where they all congregate and have all the answers instead of realizing what the Joker was trying to tell Batman all along.

That we are the Elite, the Illuminati, the one percent. Its us, all along it was me. When we get up and go to work just to make it by we are that “Hidden Master” that’s responsible for all of this. Lol

The greatest trick The Wizard ever pulled was to convince Oz that he had godly powers, and because of that no one ever even went to see what he looked like, until Dorothy.

Anyway…

So, like, dual activated bodies…like, will we have legs in those bodies Mr.Patrick?

[tadeus]

Sorry for a possible misuse of your quote.

@Patrick

Q’uo
The third density is a density which is veiled from direct knowledge of the one infinite Creator in order that you may choose the manner of your being in perfect freedom. The Creator, in creating the universe which you enjoy at this time, wished to know Itself. And you are the sparks of that Creator which are going about the business of getting to know who you are. The harvest of this observation, with its processes of learning and realization, are the gift that your life will offer up to the one infinite Creator at the end of your incarnation.

Again I must think about the discussion of acceptance, bellicosity and war, because Q’uo speaks about freedom and not love here.
“Choose the manner of your being in perfect freedom” could be a motto or slogan especially in these times.

@Usernamewho

Well, y’know, there are a lot of people who at this point are comfortable with the knowing that capitalism ultimately leads to communism and the less capital we have the less freedom we have. But before the whole of capitalism falls our World War will happen, that will happen way before we can really see the total annihilation of the system of currency, but I sense Tadeus would, and rightly so, note that The Third World War is an direct result of the governmental agents needs and lack of needs, wants and lack of wants that are only incurred due to the our systemic financial structers…and brother Tadeus would be right…-shrug-

I would say that capitalism and communism are both installed models of the same kind with different polarization. But that does not include many other possibilities that already exist in the history.

@Usernamewho

I want this World War to mean something, because we can’t stop it.

It has never been stopped since the beginning of the (first) world war.
People don’t realize this construct of keeping the whole world in a permanent state of war.

Remember the people waving flags and they don’t know that they are waving often flags of war.
Most of them even don’t know that there are different flags for war

and peace!

Additional you should know that flags with golden fringe are always under the right of the sea (maritime law). Please remember this when you see this on land.

So waving a flag of war says that you want to have war!
Any appeal to a flag of war can be interpreted in the same way.

@Usernamewho

Joker kills thirty, Batman may save thirty-one. Joker kills fifty, Batman saves forty nine for that day. Back and forth back and forth back and forth. All those souls lost, an whole city in utter destruction in every way but name only and Batman will not change his…“methods” because of one tragic moment when his parents were killed before his very eyes.

It’s part of the programming that everything has to be war and (violence of) the hero will be the solution.

@Usernamewho

Where are they?

Is this important?
Important is how we choose to want our life to be.
(Besides - the really wirepuller will never appear public.)

[tadeus]

@TribeofCats

So, we are told that there are those incarnating now, and who have been incarnating since the early 1980s, who have “dual-activated bodies” – that is, they are 3rd density, but have a 4th density body in potentiation. We are also told that the 3rd density bodies of these dual-activated individuals will die off with the rest of 3rd density.

I would say talking about clearing the third-density inhabitants must not include the dual-activated bodies.
I cannot remember any passage that every inhabitant has to leave for the transformation into 4D?

[Patrick]

@Usernamewho

At some point we have to love ourselves, is that selfish? Yes.
Is it negative? Well…

Loving the self does not have to be at the expense of others. So it is very much STO.

[tadeus]

Yes - how it should be possible to love others when you are not able to love the self?

[Patrick]

@tadeus

I cannot remember any passage that every inhabitant has to leave for the transformation into 4D?

It depends on how one interprets what was said… as always.

63.8 Questioner: I would like to continue with the questions about the fact that in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energies will be activated; yellow, blue, etc. being in potentiation. Right now, we have green energies activated. They have been activated for the last 45 years. I am wondering about the transition through this period so that the green is totally activated and the yellow is in potentiation. What will we lose as the yellow goes from activation into potentiation, and what will we gain as green comes into total activation, and what is the process?

Ra: I am Ra. It is misleading to speak of gains and losses when dealing with the subject of the cycle’s ending and the green-ray cycle beginning upon your sphere. It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss. There are progressive cycles for experiential use by entities. We may now address your query.

As the green-ray cycle or the density of love and understanding begins to take shape the yellow-ray plane or Earth which you now enjoy in your dance will cease to be inhabited for some period of your space/time as the space/time necessary for fourth-density entities to learn their ability to shield their density from that of third is learned. After this period there will come a time when third density may again cycle on the yellow-ray sphere.

Meanwhile there is another sphere, congruent to a great extent with yellow ray, forming. This fourth-density sphere coexists with first, second, and third. It is of a denser nature due to the rotational core atomic aspects of its material. We have discussed this subject with you.

The fourth-density entities which incarnate at this space/time are fourth density in the view of experience but are incarnating in less dense vehicles due to desire to experience and aid in the birth of fourth density upon this plane.

You may note that fourth-density entities have a great abundance of compassion.

Q’uo
…Eventually, your planet will no longer be able to sustain the evolutionary energy necessary to live a third-density life. Once this has occurred and there are no longer any third-density entities dwelling on the planet, fourth density will indeed become able not only to interpenetrate third density but to appear. At this point in its development, all of fourth density chooses not to appear. It chooses to remain as an unseen energy in order to allow the third-density entities to complete their patterns…

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Other interesting quotes.

20.6 Questioner: Speaking of the rapid change that occurred in the physical vehicle; the change from second to third density: this, you said, occurred in approximately a generation and a half. Body hair was lost and there were structural changes.

I am aware of the physics of Dewey B. Larson, who states that all is motion or vibration. Am I correct in assuming that the basic vibration, which makes up the physical world as we experience it, changes, thus creating a different set of parameters, shall I say, in this short period of time between density changes allowing for the new type of vehicle? Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Q’uo
…It is very likely—and we are looking only at probability vortices, not actual predictions—that your people will not only be able to live out their current incarnations here but that there will be enough energy within third density to maintain third-density bodies and the energies of evolution, in terms of the spirit, for some of your time, perhaps as many as a hundred or a hundred and fifty of your years. It is difficult but not impossible to predict with any accuracy what shall occur with your people. However, the time of third density for doing third-density work is virtually over…

Q’uo
…We would suggest that the possibility/probability vortices at this time indicate that each entity to whom we speak shall live out his natural physical life, die a natural death, and then walk the steps of light to see whether he has graduated from third grade or density in this school of souls, or whether he shall have to repeat the grade…

Hatonn
…it is within the self that the transition shall truly occur. That which occurs at harvest is within the self; that which occurs within the planet, although interesting, is a separate subject from the one which might well be considered far more interesting to the self. And that is that it is likely that this lifetime or at the very most, for those who die soon from the physical body, one more lifetime, shall be the last opportunity before graduation to refine the polarity of self to the point at which you the seeker might accept the quality of light which is the native light in fourth density…

Hatonn
…we may use an analogy further utilizing the concept of the school with the grades that represent the levels of understanding or densities of experience. In your third-density illusion, each experience is a question—each experience is the same question. There is only one question on this test which you call life. It is reflected in each experience. The question is, “Do you see love in this experience?” In some degree the seeker will see love in each experience; in some degree the seeker will not. As the seeker is able to answer each experience question with an answer that approaches one hundred percent “Yes,” the seeker is polarizing in the positive sense. We may report that the good news of the test is that fifty-one percent is passing. When the seeker is able to answer each answer to a level of fifty-one percent of experiencing and seeing love, the seeker is then of a polarized enough nature to move into the fourth-density grade in the octave of creation that you now experience. The seeker, then, has achieved the minimum polarization that will allow it to withstand the greater intensity of energy available within the fourth-density class.

Without at least the ability to see love in fifty-one percent of one’s perceptions and experiences, the energy available in the fourth-density class would be too much for the circuit of the seeker who had not yet sufficiently regularized or polarized its being in order that its circuits not be blown, shall we say, as the greater intensity of light became the reality for the seeker…

[TribeofCats]

The mechanics of this are interesting. … It is really difficult to put into words, and even to keep conscious of and remain, or be perceived as, “sane” during a time when there are still so many purely 3D entities on this Earth to interact with. (Maybe – heh – that’s where Who’s Joker archetype comes in … )

@Patrick

I guess that at some point, these dual activated will be the ones giving birth to the first 4d bodies since Ra mentioned that the 4d bodies are created via the process of evolution. But a very rapid one in one generation. A kind of quantum leap.

@Patrick

As the green-ray cycle or the density of love and understanding begins to take shape the yellow-ray plane or Earth which you now enjoy in your dance will cease to be inhabited for some period of your space/time as the space/time necessary for fourth-density entities to learn their ability to shield their density from that of third is learned.

I don’t really see how these two statements are compatible, from a technical standpoint. … Say we have a couple, right now, who are both dual-activated. They have a baby, this year, in 2022. The suggestion in the 2nd quote is that the baby cannot be a “pure” 4th density entity, because it will basically appear totally supernatural to the couple and pretty much blow their minds with its abilities. It, too, must then be dual-activated with a 3D body in order to “survive” the transition. Even if it grows up, and has a baby of its own in the year 2052, that baby still cannot be pure 4D for the same reason. There’s a step here that’s being overlooked, or possibly not discussed.

@tadeus

I would say talking about clearing the third-density inhabitants must not include the dual-activated bodies.
I cannot remember any passage that every inhabitant has to leave for the transformation into 4D?

The Ra quote that Patrick posted does, at first blush, imply that the Earth requires total depopulation in order to achieve the transition, but … Ra does only state that the 3rd density (yellow-ray) Earth will cease to be inhabited. The Earth itself, however, is currently in transition.

Perhaps it would be well to ask, What is “Earth?”

Things could get wibbly.

[TribeofCats]

Heyyyy Who! Glad we cleared up the misunderstanding 'cos I feel like you and I grok each other a LOT better than it previously appeared

@Usernamewho

Animal related forums?? Woah, you are def better than I, I can’t even stand animal planet. I think really its the voice-over guy on those channels

I can’t stand TV either (videos, now – does “TV” even exist any more? … I guess my parents watch it ). These were forums for people who keep various non-traditional pets to compare notes and share pictures, but it’s pretty much all moved to social media now (I can’t handle FB but I do still use Instagram, Borg as it is).

@Usernamewho

The Causeless Cause

That rings familiar. IDK how to say this without going into something a little too personal for the moment, but I’ll just say – please be careful with that archetype, okay man? I don’t think you’re at risk of going anywhere … “Scary,” if you will, but … I’ve just seen some s***. Please be well, 'kay?

@Usernamewho

Heck yeh, shout out to the Chinese/Taiwanese man, all of em. I just…wish we could…I don’t know…

Yeah, I know, me too. I wish I could … What? I’m in contact with a few Chinese peeps through my hobby/passion that is hoarding pretty rocks (I don’t actually hoard, really; one of the most fun things ever about it is in re-homing them ). It is weird because I want to ask so many questions and yet I know that I can’t because of the censorship … Find out if I can help … But I have had some truly surreal convos where I am pretty sure that I was communicating on a “vibe” level, talking way way way between the lines, and there’s definitely a consciousness-shift happening but you won’t hear about it … Just kinda have to “feel” for it.

@Usernamewho

I want this World War to mean something, because we can’t stop it. But it has to mean something once its over, it has to.

“What if they held a war, and nobody came?” – I have no idea what that’s from, but I think it’s from something. May be relevant?

@Usernamewho

So…what the Elite did lol, is made the brothers and sisters we are guiding believe they are more powerful than they really have the ability to be as incarnate third density beings, which is risky because its a gamble on assuming how the humans will react.

Okay, now this is an interesting line. I think I might have a feeling I see where you’re going with this … If so, then you’re seeing something that I also see, but haven’t seen anybody else call out directly yet … But before I say anything more, do you mind elaborating on this statement so I know that you’re talking about what I think you might be talking about?

@Usernamewho

So, like, dual activated bodies…like, will we have legs in those bodies Mr.Patrick?

Pretty sure you can answer that ? by looking down at your lap.

[Patrick]

Our body is a vehicle equipped with a limited set of sensors. All that is needed is a vehicle that has less limited sensors and it will be able to perceive more of “reality”.

A bacteria does not experience the world the same way we do, but we both exists in the same world at the same time.

The percentage of 3d/4d in the dual-activated could shift over time. Let’s say it is now 10% 4d and 90% 3d. Towards the end, this could be 90% 4d and 10% 3d.

Those last dual-activated would be able to see 4d even if they are not fully 4d themselves. They would have the senses/sensors for that.

I see no reasons why those would not be able to give birth to a fully 4d body.

That being said, all that time, when only dual-activated are incarnate, we could say that 3d (for doing 3d work) is over already.

The game of polarity is over while that is going on. 3d is still there but is no longer used by entities making The Choice and obviously there are no longer any STS entities around.

Again, reading 2150 AD gives an idea of what that type of transition could look like.

(It’s fun to speculate, but in reality the whole thing could be much more wonderful and magical)

[TribeofCats]

So, I posted that, hopped on another forum which reminded me of something and I really should probably ask this because it’s pretty key.

There are those stating now that the transition to 4D is way further underway than this thread might suggest here. As in, it’s basically already done. It’s over, and we’re witnessing the shakeout.

Do you agree with this? … Or do you feel that this is disinformation from STS sources?

@Patrick

(It’s fun to speculate, but in reality the whole thing will be much more wonderful and magical)

FIFY

[Patrick]

@TribeofCats

Do you agree with this?…

Nope, but don’t let that prevent you from having fun with that notion.

@TribeofCats

…Or do you feel that this is disinformation from STS sources?

I have no idea in this particular case since I do not know what you are referring to. But the Confederation has given us the means by which we can figure this out by ourselves.

Here is an example.

12.15 …I am Ra. It is entirely possible for the untuned channel, as you call that service, to receive both positive and negative communications. If the entity at the base of its confusion is oriented towards service to others, the entity will begin to receive messages of doom. If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give. Many of your so-called contacts among your people have been confused and self-destructive because the channels were oriented towards service to others but, in the desire for proof, were open to the lying information of the crusaders who then were able to neutralize the effectiveness of the channel.

53.17 …If there is fear and doom, the contact was quite likely of a negative nature. If the result is hope, friendly feelings, and the awakening of a positive feeling of purposeful service to others, the marks of Confederation contact are evident.

Was what you read full of hope or was it gloom and doom? That will tell you all you need to know about the source.

[Patrick]

It should be noted that while this gives us information about the source. It does not mean that all the doom that is spoken of is a lie per se.

Latwii
…may we say that speaking of doom which is so prevalent among your peoples at this time is most likely caused by the great possibility that such doom-filled cataclysms shall and, indeed, have begun occurring upon your planet. Of this there can be no denying, but we would suggest, as you have suggested yourself, that one’s response to such doom-saying is what is of most importance. You must consider for yourself that which you wish to do. Do you wish to be swayed by prophecies of doom which comes your way? If so, you have your choice of many, for many there are at this time and many more shall there be, for indeed you shall continue to see more cataclysms upon your planet, but we of Latwii may or may not be able to be of assistance in this area for we are those who have what might be called a light touch upon this matter and do not see such things with the same gravity as many who speak of them. We are very pleased that you enjoy our humor and hope that you have received our message as well…

[Patrick]

Some more on the matter.

Q’uo
…It is not the intention of the Creator that the process of ascension be narrowed down to an event of any kind. However, were a very narrow view to be taken of ascension so that one could see it as an event, it would be an event that was as full of positive emotions as one’s birthday, ones wedding day, or any other celebration or party to which one looked forward greatly. The whole concept of ascension as a terrifying moment when the world ends and suddenly you are standing before a righteous judge, is far from the Creator’s mind, as far as we understand the Creator’s mind and we note here that our understanding is faulty; we offer only our humble opinion at all times.

Your life is a process of gradual ascension. You start with raw ingredients. Throughout your life, each choice that you make advances the distilling process. At the moment of death, the gateway to larger life opens and you yourself are able to see with the enhanced vision of time/space where you are in your ascension process. You are the judge that you have so feared. Your spirit guide, guidance system, or higher self, is there with you as a resource to you…

[tadeus]

@Patrick

It depends on how one interprets what was said… as always.

When sentences need interpretation then we maybe should better forget them.

@Patrick

Q’uo
…It is very likely—and we are looking only at probability vortices, not actual predictions—that your people will not only be able to live out their current incarnations here but that there will be enough energy within third density to maintain third-density bodies and the energies of evolution, in terms of the spirit, for some of your time, perhaps as many as a hundred or a hundred and fifty of your years. It is difficult but not impossible to predict with any accuracy what shall occur with your people. However, the time of third density for doing third-density work is virtually over…

This answers not if it is possible that dual activated can exist after begin of 4D.
Maybe Q’uo not really knows …

[Patrick]

@tadeus

When sentences need interpretation then we maybe should better forget them.

The Confederation is adamant about incarnated 3d beings not having access to anything other than interpretations.

The alternative to this is to state that there is some kind of dogma that one has to subscribe to. Otherwise, they are automatically “wrong”.

So all sentences always need an interpretation. It is all anyone can do, to interpret for the self what is observed.

Q’uo
…nothing can be known. The sooner the seeker becomes aware that the truth will beckon ever onward, the sooner the seeker can set to rest the hunger for proof which so often leads to a debasing of the pure love of the truth. Relinquish your hold upon the need for proof, for that which is proof is proof within an illusion…

Q’uo
…Let us go back to the assumption implicit in this question, that is, that the Creator can be known. What is it to know? What things do you know? If you gaze at what you know, you find yourself dealing in quantities and measures, things that can be touched and counted. Thus, you can say, “I know I have three apples,” “I have a piece of paper.” Yet, this knowing does not satisfy the consciousness within the grasp of each of you. Each of you knows that that which is called knowledge is not knowledge; it is observation, and it can be used to create many, many gadgets, to fuel a technology, yet what does that technology know?

The basis upon which technology is built is observation. That which lies behind the observation is unknown. Mass has never been seen under the microscope. There is absolutely no way to explore absolute objectivity, for without an observer there is no knowledge of any experiment. No one has yet been able to explain or know gravity. No one understands or knows the so-called speed of light, why it is apparently a constant. Magnetism and electricity are also fields which are in some ways inexplicable…

[tadeus]

@Patrick

The Confederation is adamant about incarnated 3d beings not having access to anything other than interpretations.

So far a different impression has emerged.

[TribeofCats]

@Patrick

But the Confederation has given us the means by which we can figure this out by ourselves.

@Patrick

Was what you read full of hope or was it gloom and doom? That will tell you all you need to know about the source.

The overall messages are hopeful. As you state, some doom is, unfortunately, inevitable due to the state of the world, but we’ve been discussing that, so it’s not news.

Also, there’s a bit more to it than “reading stuff on the internet,” but that is personal/subjective experience … … Which I feel may be being discounted a bit here, though that is a reasonable approach to take on public forums. We are, after all, merely generating more “stuff” here to be read, on the Internet.

[TribeofCats]

@Patrick

Was what you read full of hope

Also … It should be noted that the phrase “full of hope” might, I think, rather depend on what one was hoping for.

[Quid]

@coopers

Again, why do they think such situation is sustainable? How long can that last?

“Do the work that you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life"
– Confusius

There are places on earth where people cannot really give out a definitive answer upon being asked “How many hours that you work daily?”

[Quid]

@Patrick

There is absolutely no way to explore absolute objectivity, for without an observer there is no knowledge of any experiment.

This ring true on quantum physics.

Observer (special relativity)

Mapped to Q’uo context, I somehow got the sense that their angle is more towards, the ‘observer’ is also ‘the creator’ of the illusion thus absolute objectivity actually does not exist.