Hatton channeling contradicting Ra channeling

March 30, 1980. Unknown channeling Hatonn
As we are now moving into the fourth density, what does that hold for us? What changes will there be? It’s called the age of understanding, so explain what this all means.

I am Hatonn. We are aware of your question, but it is somewhat complex. Not because you meant it to be, but because the information comes from several different levels. This planet, in this density, is moving into a more pleasant aspect of this density. There will be, on this density of this planet, another cycle of third density following the conclusion of that which even now is occurring, having to do with the end of the cycle. Namely, the weather changes, the natural changes in geography, and the possible armed disputes and economic disasters that will be part of this change. Some of the people now dwelling upon your planet at this time will repeat that great cycle which, depending upon the various gravitational changes and electromagnetic variations, lasts somewhere between seventy-five and seventy-eight thousand years.

LOO 63.9 Now, at present we have, in third-density incarnation on this plane, those third-density entities of the planet Earth who have been here for some number of incarnations who will graduate in the three-way split, either positive polarity remaining for fourth-density experience on this plane, the negative polarity harvestable going to another planet, and the rest unharvestable third density going to another third-density planet. In addition to these entities, I am assuming that we have here already some entities harvestable from other third-density planets who have come here and incarnated in third-density form to make the transition with this planet into fourth density, plus Wanderers.

“Hatonn” claims in this channeling from an unknown channeler that there will be another 3D cycle here on earth. This is a direct contradiction from the Ra teachings that this planet is vibrating 4D and that the only entities here in the “future” will be 1D, 2D, and 4D.

Any insight on this clear contradiction is appreciated. Thank You.


The Confederation did mention that once 4d has learned to hide themselves from 3d, then Earth would once again be able to host other 3d cycles.


Thanks Patrick for your reply. My understanding is that the earth is already vibrating fourth density and that earth will become more and more uninhabitable for third density entities due to third density vehicles not being able to withstand fourth density vibrations, hence why the third density entities have to leave this planet. This understanding was formed from reading “A Concept Guide” and “Living the Law of One” which both repeat more than once that all third density entities that die here and do not graduate to fourth density positive will HAVE to go to another planet. I realize that all information is not without distortion as it comes through. My belief is that this particular channeling of “Hatonn” from an unknown is incorrect.

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when i read the Ra material for some reason the western cowboy voice of James Coburn is speaking the words in my head.

anyway, remember Ra said that it’s just a really small number of candidates who will be graduating from third to fourth when the big combine harvester rolls this way - am i one ? probably not; am i concerned about that ? no.

Ra says: the fourth density entities will have to learn to shield their density from that of third. why is that ?

i’m wondering if it’s about the sts club not wanting to lose any of its members to the sto club; after all, non of us are sto yet - may be some are sto candidates - but until we are each handed that official memo saying welcome to the sto club - we aren’t in it.

looking at the state of things today with haarp, graphene, pharma, and all the nasty stuff being applied to people all over the world it seems to me that the dark gang is working overtime to control as many people as possible before the combine arrives.

thanks for reading - i felt i had to think out loud

… and welcome to the community @James

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It could be wrong certainly. We don’t know the protocol used by those channelers nor how they challenged their source. I’m just trying to look at it without time. Since in time/space one can move in time and so they could incarnate directly on this future “new” 3d Earth.


That’s curious. To me it looks like earth is definitely still in third density. I think Ra is correct that earth itself is already in 4th density. And there are hints of that in my experience such as animals in nature sometimes behaving in ways that seem more like 4th density than second density. Like a Gaia consciousness.

Maybe Hatonn is correct that third density will remain for a while still even though earth itself is already in 4th density. Ra describes here what sounds like a mixed scenario:

Ra: I am Ra. … You will find a sharp increase in the number of people, as you call mind/body/spirit complexes, whose vibrational potentials include the potential for fourth-vibrational distortions. Thus, there will seem to be, shall we say, a new breed. These are those incarnating for fourth-density work.

There will also be a sharp increase in the short run of negatively oriented or polarized mind/body/spirit complexes and social complexes, due to the polarizing conditions of the sharp delineation between fourth-density characteristics and third-density self-service orientation. 17.1

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Not saying certainly, maybe there are misunderstandings because density of consciousness and physical medium are different things.

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It’s worth not to examine the whole channeling but see how it’s been changed during time. Jim:

Many groups become fascinated with transient information of a specific, mundane nature and have their information polluted by negative entities who gradually replace the positive entities that began their contact. Pursuing information of this kind is like moving the dial on your radio so that you end up with another station altogether from the one with which you began. This change in desire for the kind of information that the group seeks from its contact is the signal to that contact that what it has to offer is no longer desired, and the Law of Free Will requires that only hints of this de-tuning process be given to the group so that all choices that the group makes are totally a product of its free will. When a group continues to seek the transient information, the positive contact gives hints here and there that such information is not of importance, but when the group persists in seeking this kind of information, the positive contact, in order to observe the free will of the group, must slowly withdraw and is then eventually replaced by a negative contact which is only too happy to give this kind of information, but with less desire for accuracy and with maximal desire to remove the group from the ranks of those who serve others.

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In the mid-term future space/time Earth will become 4D. It is already 4D in time/space (metaphysically). 3D life on Earth will go into potentiation at the close of this major cycle. That means anyone with a 3D body will die.

4d life will need to learn to become invisible to 3D life before another 3D major cycle activates. This is so 4D will not violate the Law of Confusion/Free Will for Veiled 3D people.

So it’s not a contradiction. <3


Sept 6, 1981 Hatonn
It is appropriate, my brother, for a mixture of polarities to exist simultaneously when the opportunity exists for those polarities to achieve growth due to the potential produced by the presence of both polarities. However, the presence of both positive and negative fourth-dimensional polarities upon a planetary sphere that contains solely unpolarized third-dimensional entities would potentially result in the third-dimensional entities becoming a sort of battleground between the fourth-dimensional polarities.

To remove either of the two fourth dimensional polarities would have a detrimental effect upon the remaining third-dimensional entities, therefore, my brother,

we have a situation where it is not possible to allow all three to occupy the same planetary sphere,

nor is it possible to allow either fourth-dimensional polarity along with the unpolarized third-dimensional entities. Finally, to cover all of the potential combinations, to allow the joint occupation of the planetary sphere by both fourth-dimensional polarities without the undecided third-dimensional polarities—correction—third-dimensional unpolarized entities would be simply to extend and aggravate the immediately pre-harvest third-dimensional condition. For these reasons, it is necessary to separate the groups.

I searched for “Gaia” and found Anders mentioned Gaia consciousness in this thread which may fit somehow.

Session 53 on some level may contain themes of
stumbling blocks, reciprocity, and some degree of
infinite creation ever expanding in ways there
seems no end to law of one learnings. It takes
initiative, and curiosity, and intent to come up
with questions and find answers. Part of growing
in law of one involves that.

I think later in her life Carla would host weekly
Gaia meditations. Sure, I got the idea that the
earth shifts 4d positive, but how is that then
manifested? In Carla perspective, how do we
answer the question “where’s the love?”

So I evolved a Gaia meditation based on a couple
ideas. One is that love can travel along an invisible
line. Another is that love felt can be reciprocated
along the same line. In order to engage in this
meditation, involves a safe comfortable bed and
some visualizations. A weighted blanket is
helpful for some people.

So it may be a nighttime, go to sleep or quickie nap.
The idea is you sensually visualize the gravity of
your body pressing on your bed as a Gaia love
hug. Okay some people are not into hugs, but
imagine the gesture of a hug as conveying love.
There is an invisible line which goes from your
heart center to the center of mass of the world,
you might think of this as a gravity vector.

The seed thought then, of the Gaia love hug,
traverses up and down this invisible line, and
the conscious act of seeking this may boost
the vital energy of Gaia a smidgin, just as
hugging another person can help them.

There’s a follow on visualization of these
invisible line gravity vectors emanating out
of the center of the earth to each person,
Like 8 billion or more vectors in a starburst
pattern, love hug energy traversing along
them. It’s a sort of starburst shadow.

So with that - seems some slim chance
one person might understand this lyric
improv inspired by Session 53, a sort of
creative work-around of a stumbling
block, involving reciprocity and answering
Carla’s Gaia meditation circles, and some
mention of a dawning new age.

Oh yeah I forgot to mention, there’s a Kepler
Space Telescope that sees planets as they
shadow stars. Another starburst shadow.
Gravity may seem a factor in more ways
than one. The mechanism of gravity as a
form of metaphysical love, may be a spin
on the idea of love and light within stars.

Gaia’s Dawning Age
(Song beat similar to
John Denver,
Rocky Mountain High)

She awakes from a slumber
optimism in the air.
Claiming love in a way
she touched a planet’s core.
In play she carries onward
lending service she adores.
You might say she’s a key
to flourish more.

When she peeks at pleasant pictures,
she’s feeling clear and free.
Welcome peace
and welcome harmony.
By solitude and shyness,
she snapshots on a dare.
You might say it’s astral glides
for blushing shares.

In starburst shadows
Gaia’s dawning age.
We hear a trail sing
pathways upon wise.
Care of non-infringing
boosts a helpful vibe.
Gaia’s dawning age,
starburst shadows.
Gaia’s dawning age,
starburst shadows.

She sought unanswered questions
and she found two camps belong.
She had special dreams
to awake and better see.
She saw folly stems from wanting
misleading decrees.
She looks for hope
in things shared humbly.

She renews her vital spirit
in forests and by streams.
Finding many selves
in contacts she invites.
Encounters very close can aid
her unending sense of one.
Near infinity’s
clear blue mountain lake.

In starburst shadows
Gaia’s dawning age.
We hear a trail sing
pathways upon wise.
Polarize positive for
a hug of planet size.
Gaia’s dawning age,
starburst shadows.
Gaia’s dawning age,
starburst shadows.

In the wilds of her ventures
wanderers stumble near.
Beyond simple things
she grows to comprehend.
By her curious grounding
her meditation soars.
More hopeful, more
balls of lightning skies.

And in starburst shadows
Gaia’s dawning age.
We hear a trail sing
pathways upon wise.
Dreaming we awaken
aligned to an eagle’s ways.
Gaia’s dawning age.

In starburst shadows
Gaia’s dawning age.
We hear a trail sing
pathways upon wise.
In service to each other
circles bloom by rays.

Gaia’s dawning age,
rays, starburst shadows.
Gaia’s dawning age,
rays, starburst shadows.
Gaia’s dawning age,
rays, starburst shadows.