Message From Jesus

[Quid]

@Passer-by

Jesus was highly positively polarised, and he was very angry when he turned over the tables in the temple.
He was also filled with fear in the garden of Gethsemane.

And Genghis Khan love his wife Borte and her child Jochi, although Jochi is the biological child of his enemy. (Borte was kidnapped and raped by Genghis enemy)
Himmler and Goering love their nation Germany and definitely love wealth and luxury.

How does one transform the catalyst will be the deciding factor for it’s ‘overall frequency’.
STO minimum requirement is 51% positive thus 49% is not positive, while STS minimum requirement is 95% negative thus 5% is not negative.
Thus STO is not 100% positive and STS is not 100% negative.
Having said that; both STO and STS are valid path for further spiritual progression.

[Passer-by]

@Quid

And Genghis Khan love his wife Borte and her child

Would you really say he “loved” them? Given what you know about negative 4D graduates, skipping the heart chakra…and the 95% thingy, reaching almost negative totality.

[Quid]

@Passer-by

Would you really say he “loved” them? Given what you know about negative 4D graduates, skipping the heart chakra…and the 95% thingy, reaching almost negative totality

Yes he does, especially Jochi, which was actually the biological son of his enemy. He could, as an option, murder him while he was still a baby or easily take another wife rather than the ‘tainted’ Borte.

While Siddhartha left his wife and son in order to ‘seek enlightenment’.

[Passer-by]

@Quid

Yes he does, especially Jochi, which was actually the biological son of his enemy. He could, as an option, murder him while he was still a baby or easily take another wife rather than the ‘tainted’ Borte.

Reading a little about them (very briefly), they sound to me very similar to the two negative wanderers (also a couple) from Ra’s 3rd density.

You seem to equate companionship / partnership to love.

[Passer-by]

As for Siddharta, you also seem to equate togetherness / close proximity to love… do you see his “abandonment” as something negative?

You can add Ramana Maharsi and Saint Francis of Asisi to the same “home leaving” camp (and a host of others). Saint Francis of Asisi renounced his father, and Ramana Maharsi’s mother begged him to return home, and he refused.

Siddharta’s wife he “abandoned” evetually became one of his disciples, and Ramana Maharsi’s mother became his disciple as well.

And lest we forget about Jesus…also leaving.

@Ra

Questioner:

Could I say, then, that implicit in the process of becoming adept is the possible partial polarization towards service to self because simply the adept becomes disassociated with many of his kind or like in the particular density which he inhabits?

Ra:

I am Ra. This is likely to occur. The apparent happening is disassociation: whether the truth is service to self and thus true disassociation from other-selves, or service to others and thus true association with the heart of all other-selves and disassociation only from the illusory husks which prevent the adept from correctly perceiving the self and other-self as one.

Questioner:

Then you say that this effect of disassociation on the service-to-others adept is a stumbling block or slowing process in reaching that goal which he aspires to? Is this correct?

Ra:

I am Ra. This is incorrect. This disassociation from the miasma of illusion and misrepresentation of each and every distortion is a quite necessary portion of an adept’s path. It may be seen by others to be unfortunate.

Matthew 12:46-48

While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

[anon23924087]

In the very nice podcast “The Gateless Gate” you sent Alan is talking about koans and that “if drawing diagram it falls flat”. I didn’t want to comment because I perceive the Ra’s quote above as koan and proposed everyone to examine it. This certain fragment has been troubling me for years. I believe I’m grasping, but still there’s some uncertainty, especially in the word “regrouping” that I feel but I am not conscious of.

Explanation. I contain isles inside me, some of them are positive, some of them are negative. Ra also mention them:

94.11 The deeper biases of a mind/body/spirit complex pilot the catalyst around the many isles of positivity and negativity as expressed in the archipelago of the deeper mind.

It’s good if I can see own the isles (if they are placed in consciousness), unfortunately it does not always happen. When a situation happens (that is a catalyst) it floodlights some negative place I have. From the positive point of view I need to process the catalyst and turn this dark place into light one. When I discover such dark place inside me I feel uncomfortable. The discomfort is connected to the extraction the dark place from the unconsciousness to the consciousness. So there are both external reason that lights on the dark place and internal reason which is the existence of the negative isle itself. So I can turn my eye either on internal reason or on the external one, ideally on both of them.

If I’m meeting someone and for some reason a situation occurred that is lightening the dark isle inside him, he feels uncomfortable and might try to find external reason. This external reason should exist and he is trying to find it inside me and point me to it. If I ideally did not have any dark isle there will be nothing to point, but if ideally being positively oriented I would be dozing portions of light so that he feels comfortable and that assists him to turn his dark isle into light one, but it’s he free will whether to do it or not. Negatively oriented entities would use their light for manipulation, when lightening so much on him they would use his dark isles, in so doing he would do what they want. Ignorant negatively oriented entities can violate free will in third density, more competent ones will try to obey it.

Two negatively oriented entities will try to use light (The Alchemist calls it “false light”) to lighten on the dark isle of each other and hide own isles from each other so that another one will not see it. Hiding makes sense only in third density, that’s why Ra are saying about “losing cards in the melting influence of love”. In the upper densities “the weapons consist of the light”.

Returning to resisting evil here it means using same methods as negatively oriented entities do, in this case one will have the congratulation “you’re one of us” and will gladden them. In the gang leader example the honest family man wanted to teach the gang leader using his methods. So many people erroneously understand not resting evil as not using light at all and hence allowing to use negatively oriented entity to perform the manipulation. It happens because they do not see the difference between these two lights and perceive world in dualistic manner as light/not light. But the true light is love; and love means not using service to self methods (AKA service of fear), understanding what’s going on and dozing portions of light to stop but not kill (AKA service of love). I can interpret it as “stay on your own”.

Saying all this I meant just only one phrase “meet with love”.

42.4 Questioner: Would a perfectly balanced entity feel an emotional response when being attacked by the other-self?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The response is love.

42.5 Questioner: In the illusion that we now experience it is difficult to maintain this response especially if the entity’s attack results in physical pain, but I assume that this response should be maintained even through physical loss of life or extreme pain. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and further is of a major or principal importance in understanding, shall we say, the principle of balance. Balance is not indifference but rather the observer not blinded by any feelings of separation but rather fully imbued with love.

I apologize for possible inaccuracies that I do not see and hope you meet my isles of negativity with love.

@Passer-by

I will just say for now, do you think we should look at a 4D scenario and apply it to 3D?

I think it is not completely correct. 4D exists with 3D, so we should look the 4D scenario and 3D one at the same time. But 3D is a projection of 4D, meaning this applying is correct.

@Passer-by

Isn’t 3D graduation requirement opening of the heart (lacking wisdom), and 4D are learning wisdom lessons (balancing love & wisdom), in order to graduate to 5D?

It is correct.

[Quid]

@Passer-by

As for Siddharta, you also seem to equate togetherness / close proximity to love… do you see his “abandonment” as something negative?

It depends on whose point of view?

Why not try to see the event from Siddharta’s wife perspective?
As for Temujin’s case (That’s Mr Khan prior to his rise to power), try to see the event from Borte’s point of view?

While Siddharta’s abandon his wife, Temujin organized a daring and dangerous mission to rescue Borte. And when he found out that she’s pregnant with the son of her kidnapper, he accepted her as she is.

Oh and Jesus murdered his playmate during his childhood years too…

[Passer-by]

@Quid

Why not try to see the event from Siddharta’s wife perspective?

I think it’s safe to assume she was not over the moon about it, and neither was Ramana Maharsi’s family… he was still a youngster when he pulled that stunt - 16 years old.

Ra:

It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves.

There’s actually a specific quote I’m trying to find in the material, about the necessity for the adept to “withdraw from society”. I’ll see if I get lucky.

To get back to Gengis Khan, it seems his wife played a prominent role in assisting in his endeavours to accomplish power/rule over others (negative polarity). And she also had no qualms about all the women he raped (assuming she knew) - a very large number…

The Rest is History podcast did a long series on Genghis Khan…harrowing stuff…

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@Passer-by

There’s actually a specific quote I’m trying to find in the material, about the necessity for the adept to “withdraw from society”. I’ll see if I get lucky.

I think you mean this:

80.10 Questioner: Now, the fifteenth archetype, which is the Matrix of the Spirit, has been called the Devil. Can you tell me why that is so?

Ra: I am Ra. We do not wish to be facile in such a central query, but we may note that the nature of the spirit is so infinitely subtle that the fructifying influence of light upon the great darkness of the spirit is very often not as apparent as the darkness itself. The progress chosen by many adepts becomes a confused path as each adept attempts to use the Catalyst of the Spirit. Few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun. By far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery. Therefore, the melody, shall we say, of this matrix often seems to be of a negative and evil, as you would call it, nature.

It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not.

80.11 Questioner: Could I say, then, that implicit in the process of becoming adept is the possible partial polarization towards service to self because simply the adept becomes disassociated with many of his kind or like in the particular density which he inhabits?

Ra: I am Ra. This is likely to occur. The apparent happening is disassociation whether the truth is service to self and thus true disassociation from other-selves or service to others and thus true association with the heart of all other-selves and disassociation only from the illusory husks which prevent the adept from correctly perceiving the self and other-self as one.

80.12 Questioner: Then you say that this effect of disassociation on the service-to-others adept is a stumbling block or slowing process in reaching that goal which he aspires to? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. This disassociation from the miasma of illusion and misrepresentation of each and every distortion is a quite necessary portion of an adept’s path. It may be seen by others to be unfortunate.

[Passer-by]

@Oleksii

In the very nice podcast “The Gateless Gate” you sent Alan is talking about koans and that “if drawing diagram it falls flat”.

In that little clip, he does a good job of honing in on the “spirit of zen”.

@Oleksii

I didn’t want to comment because I perceive the Ra’s quote above as koan and proposed everyone to examine it. This certain fragment has been troubling me for years. I believe I’m grasping, but still there’s some uncertainty, especially in the word “regrouping” that I feel but I am not conscious of.

I also don’t have a definitive solution to this seeming “contradiction”, but I think I’m onto something as it pertains to third denisity lessons vs fourth density lessons. I think the graduation requirements for third density positive is opening the heart (love & compassion), and I think fourth density’s “cirriculum” is much further along the ecolutionary ladder, with wisdom entering the picture.

@Oleksii

When a situation happens (that is a catalyst) it floodlights some negative place I have. From the positive point of view I need to process the catalyst and turn this dark place into light one. When I discover such dark place inside me I feel uncomfortable.

This sounds like what Eckhart Tolle calls the “pain body”, in his book The Power of Now. Where there’s a negative “trigger” - if I can call it that - it’s the pain body.

@Oleksii

Saying all this I meant just only one phrase “meet with love ”.

Well…how to do that? This is something I want to look at. Alan Watts once said religion is “the tail trying to wag the dog”, if you know what he meant with that.

Have a listen to this lecture of his if you have a moment, because I think it will elucidate some things - Spectrum of Love - Alan Watts)%22%3ESpectrum%20of%20Love

[Passer-by]

Oh, and to all participants, it wasn’t my intention to turn this conversation into the “Alan Watts show”.

Just ignore if he’s not your cup of tea, I just think he had a gift for articulating things so clearly.

[Quid]

@Passer-by

There’s actually a specific quote I’m trying to find in the material, about the necessity for the adept to “withdraw from society”. I’ll see if I get lucky.

I think it relates more towards “non attachment” as everything change.
Remember that according to L01, each member of the society is actually YOU.
Withdrawing from society would that sounds like a path of separation?

@Passer-by

I think it’s safe to assume she was not over the moon about it, and neither was Ramana Maharsi’s family… he was still a youngster when he pulled that stunt - 16 years old.

Perhaps so does Jesus mom.
But ‘karma’ is ‘karma’… always find it’s way to catch up.
That’s perhaps why Ra ‘linked up’ the event of ‘crucifixion’ with ‘playmate incident’ during Jesus childhood.

The entity was absolved karmically of the destruction of an other-self when it was in its last portion of lifetime and spoke upon what you would call a cross saying, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” In forgiveness lies the stoppage of the wheel of action, or what you call karma.

For Siddhartha, after he reached ‘enlightenment’, yet before the end of his incarnation, he then meet his wife and son to apologize. Basically the session started with:
"How dare you to come here! after all these years! "
And Siddhartha just listened attentively, only give response when required…

As for Temujin, he lived a ‘hard life’ in a ‘chaotic environment full of violence’, he watched his dad being butchered by rivalling tribe at very early age and from then on it just trauma after trauma after trauma. Thus is it not understandable that he gravitate more towards “establishing order”?
I’ve given another example from a movie, where a family man found his son murdered by a street gang. Every entity has it’s own ‘reason’ on which path he decide to choose.
As Ra mentioned both STO or STS is a valid path of spiritual progression.
And each entity is actually the one infinite creator experiencing through that entity, separation is an illusion.

[Passer-by]

@"Quid

I think it relates more towards “non attachment” as everything change.

While ruminating over this last night, and thinking of Alan Watts saying religion is “the tail trying go wag the dog”…

It’s not often appreciated by the average Joe in our society when he encounters these teachings (Buddha, Jesus, Ramana Maharshi, etc), that these are the characteristics of adepts. And yet they are the wayshowers.

Non-attachment is a characteristic of an awakened one. Non-duality is a characteristic of an awakended one. The same goes for not resisting evil (Jesus-style), wu-wei, being unswayed (parable of the Chinese farmer) etc.

So people really do go about this by “wagging the dog” in our society by doing things like wearing WWJD (what would Jesus do?) armbands and the like. That’s self deception, and no amount of emulating will bear fruit - since it doesn’t flow from the inner fountain.

First, the awakening, then, these characteristics.

So seek awakening, seek union, seek the Self, and once accomplished, these characteristics will be natural.

[Passer-by]

As for Jesus, I’ve mentioned how the zen masters used to “smash sacred cows” with their students, well Jesus also “smashed sacred cows” all over the place.

Every time he said “you have heard it said of old”…and then he would refute this “old teaching” by saying “but I tell you the truth”…and then proceed with the new teaching.

They were so identified with their “Abrahamic lineage” that they said to him “don’t you realise we are the descendants of Abraham?”…and he laughed and said “God can turn these stones into descendants of Abraham”.

He was essentialy a “course correction” of sorts for a very primitive society.

[Passer-by]

Someone’s audience (listeners) determine how and what they teach, since he/she is afterall concerned with the “possible awakening” of these very listeners, and what their stumbling blocks may be.

Jesus’ challenge was tackling the deep-rooted distortions found in Judaism (amongst other distortions / influences of the era.)

Ra’s words were meant for the three people in the room, and their level of development.

Ra:

for you have a need for the diversity of experiences in channeling which go with a more intensive, or as you might call it, advanced approach to the system of studying the patterns of the illusions of your body, your mind, and your spirit, which you call seeking the truth.

We hope to offer you a somewhat different slant upon the information which is always and ever the same.

Buddha tailored his teaching to the developmental level of his listeners. Remember he (and his listeners) were raised in Hinduism, so he already had a positive foundation as a point of departure.

[Passer-by]

Why did the zen masters place so much emphasis on zazen?

Because the zen master’s words is a poor replacement for direct experience.

Because I (the teacher) am simply a pointing finger, go and discover what I’m pointing at.

Ra’s words is a poor replacement for “opening the gate to the present”. It’s like reading the menu, instead of eating the dinner.

[Passer-by]

Zen teaching:

Above, not a tile to cover the head;
Below, not an inch of ground for the foot.

Jesus:

“the foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of Man hath not where to lay his head.”

[Quid]

@Passer-by

They were so identified with their “Abrahamic lineage” that they said to him “don’t you realise we are the descendants of Abraham?”

One of the best sketch regarding Abraham and Isaac.

Abraham and Isaac Scene | Year One (Jack Black, Michael Cera)

[Passer-by]

@Quid

One of the best sketch regarding Abraham and Isaac.

Oh deary me, satire to the rescue! Now you know what Jesus was up against…

[Passer-by]

He did say some great things, that Jesus guy. He would drop these little hints about living in the now (or the eternal present.)

@Luke 9:62

No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.

@Matthew 6:34

Take therefore no thought for the morrow

And he didn’t say “before Abraham was, I was”, that would imply time (or past tense), he said "before Abraham was, I Am.

@Ra

But who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?