Did Jesus actually kill a child?

This strange moment from the Ra materials has been troubling me for a long time. I am asking this peculiar question because I see a contradiction between two sources.

First, there are the words of Ra from this fragment:

17.19 Questioner: How did Jesus learn this during his incarnation?

Ra: I am Ra. This entity learned the ability by a natural kind of remembering at a very young age. Unfortunately, this entity first discovered his ability to penetrate intelligent infinity by becoming the distortion you call “angry” at a playmate. This entity was touched by the entity known as Jesus to you and was fatally wounded.

Thus the one known as Jesus became aware that there dwelt in him a terrible potential. This entity determined to discover how to use this energy for the good, not for the negative. This entity was extremely positively polarized and remembered more than most Wanderers do.

Which indirectly confirm that Jesus was involved in a death.

At the same time, there is The Urantia Book, famous for its detailed description of Jesus’s life (more detailed than anywhere else), and it does not say a single word about such an incident. Moreover, The Urantia Book rejects the idea that Jesus was a bad child; on the contrary, it states he was kind and never angry. Document 123 talks about his early childhood, describing how he indeed played games with his neighbors, but nowhere does it mention this unfortunate accident.

Furthermore, there is the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, which says the exact opposite about Jesus—that he could supposedly get angry easily and allegedly cursed a boy who bumped into his shoulder.

For me, it is a mystery why some see and describe the image of Jesus as pure, while others see him with flaws. So, where is the truth?

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I think they used another meaning of fatally:

1 in a way determined by fate
2 in a manner suggesting fate or an act of fate: such as
2a in a manner resulting in death: fatally wounded
2b beyond repair
2c in a manner resulting in ruin or evil
2d in a manner that cannot be easily resisted

Also I think that the passive voice is used to decrease intention, activity and consciousness of action

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I agree with this definition that it was not intentional and was indeed an act of “fate”, and that the entity that was fatally wounded most likely planned it with Jesus prior to their incarnation as the catalyst for Jesus’ awakening.

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Dear Dima,

i believe in almost all of TLOO, but i believe fully in URANTIA; some things are better in Urantia than in the Law, and the Law is certainly better in other topics than Urantia.

this is one passage that i dont understand in the Law on JESUS, and i also reject it; and i know Urantia is the perfect best source on JESUS.

so as you know (maybe), Ra supports Lucifer, and Urantia is almost fully against him, so for me Ra is Caligastia the Devil, who joined the Lucifer Rebellion…

For me personally, no matter how much I read Ra, I am amazed by the level of their understanding, that is, it seems to me that they are on no one’s side, and that is why they are on the side of God.

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That is very well said.

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Are you referring to this session?

"77.17 Questioner: Now, would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, there was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function only of this positive polarization evolving from our original creation of sub-Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true-color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.

Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn."

From my understanding, that word or “thought-complex” was communicated due to our own societal complex of a concept of free will. i.e a thoughtless bliss and becoming to awareness.

The Urantia Book rejects the concept of reincarnation. If you don’t believe in reincarnation, then you are missing an important concept in the Law of One Material. How else would 3rd density entities evolve and learn lessons if not through reincarnation. 3rd density is where the choice of polarity is decided. I admit that I have only read about 40 % of the Urantia Book in total, but I had to put it down after finding so many half-truths and outright lies in it. I believe that the book was written by negatively polarizing entities living in earth’s inner planes for the objective of causing confusion and to manipulate us towards their agenda.

For starters, the Urantia Book is overly focused on hierarchy and administration. The way they talk about their system of governance sounds like how a service- to- self hierarchy would be run. When they talk about how the different races of the world started up, they say that suddenly this happened, and they don’t tell us that we were actually genetically manipulated. They say that the 3 primary race colors were Red, Yellow, and Blue and that these 3 are superior in every way to the Orange, Green, and Indigo (black) races of color. The book then goes on to state that usually a universe will have each colored race appear successively after the next (ROYGBIV) and that Urantia (Earth) was different in that all 6 races appeared at the same time. If on all the other universes, the indigo race appeared last before the upgrading of the violet race, shouldn’t the indigo (black) race be the most superior. Yet the book constantly puts down the indigo race. Also, the book says that all the races should be thoroughly mixed before the violet race appears but then the book criticizes any civilizations that had mixed orange, green, and indigo blood. As an example, if red and blue races are superior and are a primary color. If red and blue mix, don’t they make purple (indigo). So how can two superior races make an inferior color. Red and yellow are also superior primary colors. If they mix to make the color orange, how can the orange race be an inferior, colored race.

The Urantia book also talks about Yahweh. I don’t believe they are truthful in what they say about Yahweh. I believe that Ra was being truthful when they said that there were two Yahwehs. The original Yahweh was of the Confederation and wished to be of service to others but then a second Yahweh came in who was of the Orion group and they impersonated the first Yahweh to try to form an elite group. I believe that the Urantia book is also trying to create an elite group by trying to trick New Age believers into thinking that they are the Truth. They have stuck in a bunch of nice things about Jesus to get you to think that Jesus is the only true son of God and that he is the way to Ascend according to the different levels of Ascension in the Urantia book. I believe that Jesus (Yeshua) incarnated on Earth for the purpose of teaching humanity about Love since opening the heart (or bypassing the heart) is the only way to graduate from 3rd density earth. Our harvest was nearing, so Jesus came to earth with a goal of teaching humanity about Love. Jesus is no different than any other entity living on any Universe, he just happens to be more spiritually evolved than the majority of people incarnated on earth at this time. Jesus is not a Michael Creator son like the Urantia book claims. One day, you too will be just as spiritually evolved as Jesus is and you won’t have to follow an outside authority to get there.

The Urantia book never talks about everyone being ONE. They don’t tell you to look inside of yourself to find that you actually are Source. Instead, they try to get you to look outside for authority from creator sons and other figures. I find so many things in the Urantia book that don’t ring true to me that I must dismiss any claims they make about Jesus’s life to hold any value to me. I believe the Urantia book purposely left the story out about Jesus harming a child when he was just a child himself because they did not want us to know that their Creator Michael Son (Jesus) accidentally committed this horrible tragedy.

The Urantia book also says that Moses was a great leader who leaned towards power and fear to help keep his people following Yahweh as the Most High. I believe that Source is impartial. Source does not care if you choose the positive or the negative path. Source only desires to know Itself. So, whether you decide to take the long, negative path back to Source or you follow a straighter and narrower positive path back, Source cares not. Source just wants to know what experiences and lessons you have learned that you carry back with you when you reconnect with Source (in the 7th density). Source would never issue 10 commandments to say thou shall not do… or 7 commandments of thou shall not, like the Most High supposedly gave to Machiventi Melchizadek in the Urantia book. Source has given us Free Will to decide what we shall and shall not do for ourselves.

There are many other issues that I take with the Urantia Book but I will stop for now. If you love the Urantia book and believe that it contains more truth for you than the Law of One Material from Ra, then I am happy for you. I just wanted to add a different perspective for those who are not as familiar with the Urantia Book.

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I saw this on Facebook today and I thought it might offer a different perspective on Lucifer than the Urantia book does.

LUCIFER DID NOT CREATE EVIL.
HE CREATED CONTRAST.

What if the fallen angels did not destroy creation?

What if they made the experience of creation possible?

Before the Fall, there was unity.

No distance between the Creator and the created.
No shadow by which light could recognize its brilliance.
No separation.
No opposition.
No choice.

Only the infinite awareness of I AM, whole within itself.

But wholeness and experience are not the same thing.

Oneness simply is.

It does not need to choose love because nothing exists that appears unlike love.

It does not need courage because nothing can be lost.

It does not need forgiveness because nothing has been divided.

It does not need to remember because it has never forgotten.

So what if the Fall was not merely the destruction of perfection?

What if it was the birth of contrast?

What if Lucifer and the fallen angels were not only the villains of the cosmic story…

but the architects of polarity?

Not the creators of a power outside God, because nothing can exist outside the Infinite…

but the creators of the illusion that it could.

And from that illusion, an entire world became possible.

Spirit entered matter.

Oneness appeared as many.

The eternal entered time.

The limitless clothed itself in limitation.

The invisible became form.

And consciousness stepped into a reality where it could temporarily forget what it was.

This is the realm we call 3D.

A world built upon opposites:

Light and darkness.
Love and fear.
Creation and destruction.
Pleasure and pain.
Truth and illusion.
Remembering and forgetting.
Life and death.

Without contrast, this world could not exist as we know it.

You recognize warmth because you have felt cold.

You understand freedom because you have encountered limitation.

You develop discernment because illusion is possible.

You discover courage because fear stands before you.

And you consciously choose love because, here, you can also choose otherwise.

In unity, love simply is.

In duality, love becomes a decision.

Perhaps that is what makes this realm so sacred.

Here, consciousness does not merely exist.

It becomes aware of itself through choice.

It falls asleep inside matter, enters the labyrinth of opposites, mistakes the costume for the Self…

and then begins the extraordinary journey of remembering.

Not because darkness is equal to light.

Not because cruelty should be excused.

Not because suffering must be worshipped as spiritual.

No.

Pain is still pain.
Abuse is still abuse.
And evil does not become holy simply because someone places a cosmic explanation around it.

But symbolically, the adversary serves a purpose.

The force that opposes you reveals what lives within you.

Resistance awakens will.

Illusion sharpens discernment.

Separation creates the longing for reunion.

The shadow does not manufacture the light.

It gives the light somewhere to become visible.

Perhaps Lucifer’s deepest role was never to become the opposite of God.

Perhaps it was to introduce the possibility of believing that an opposite to God could exist.

The great deception was not darkness.

It was separation.

The belief that we could be cut away from the Source from which everything arises.

And yet only inside that belief could the soul experience the journey of choosing its way Home.

The fallen angels descended into density.

Humanity descended into forgetting.

And consciousness entered a world where every possibility between fear and love could be lived, felt, resisted, transformed and understood.

We call it the Fall.

But perhaps it was also the beginning of becoming.

Because there can be no awakening without the experience of sleep.

No remembrance without forgetting.

No reunion without the appearance of separation.

No forgiveness without something that seems unforgivable.

No conscious return to Oneness without first believing we had left it.

And here is the revelation religion may have missed:

Nothing ever truly fell outside the Divine.

Where would it fall?

Even darkness exists within the Infinite.

Even rebellion must borrow its breath from God.

Even the shadow can only appear because somewhere, light is shining.

Perhaps salvation is not the destruction of duality.

Perhaps it is seeing through it.

Realizing that the opposites were never two separate powers fighting for ownership of creation…

but a field of contrast through which consciousness could awaken to what had always been whole.

We did not come here merely to defeat the darkness.

We came to enter a world of opposites without becoming imprisoned by either one.

We came to hold the tension between heaven and earth, spirit and matter, shadow and light…

and become the place where they are reconciled.

The Fall created the appearance of distance.

Consciousness accepted the journey.

But love never lost sight of us.

Perhaps Lucifer opened the door to contrast.

Perhaps humanity walked through it.

And every time we choose love where fear was possible…

every time we create where destruction was available…

every time we remember ourselves inside a world designed for forgetting…

the universe receives its answer.

The Fall was never the moment we left God.

It was the moment God entered the illusion of separation through us…

to discover whether love would still recognize itself in the dark.

And it does.

It always does.

With love, for those remembering themselves…
Thank you for saying Yes to Life.
Put your wings on, we are walking each other Home​:white_heart::dizzy:

— Amelia Singanewsong
whispering the soul awake​:heart:

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Wonderful thoughts, I completely agree with you. You know, there was a time when I even doubted the Ra materials, but time passed, I gathered many observations from my own experience, I matured, years passed, and I realized that what is wrote there was true. The Ra materials are truly an experience of communication with some extraterrestrial beings. And they are simply wonderful beings. I read LL’s early channelings and find many correspondences with the Ra materials, as well as correspondences with my own life observations.
You know, I read a lot these days. My free time is mostly spent reading channelings and esoteric literature, and for me, it’s a wonderful pastime. I just can’t read “mundane” things; I’m not interested in them because they don’t resonate and aren’t necessary.
By the way, here’s a funny fragment from the Urantia book. I read it once, and I found this fragment very funny:

The Urantia Book — 2:3 Justice and Righteousness
God is righteous; therefore is he just. “The Lord is righteous in all his ways.” “‘I have not done without cause all that I have done,’ says the Lord.” “The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.” The justice of the Universal Father cannot be influenced by the acts and performances of his creatures, “for there is no iniquity with the Lord our God, no respect of persons, no taking of gifts.”

How futile to make puerile appeals to such a God to modify his changeless decrees so that we can avoid the just consequences of the operation of his wise natural laws and righteous spiritual mandates! “Be not deceived; God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man sows that shall he also reap.” True, even in the justice of reaping the harvest of wrongdoing, this divine justice is always tempered with mercy. Infinite wisdom is the eternal arbiter which determines the proportions of justice and mercy which shall be meted out in any given circumstance.

The greatest punishment (in reality an inevitable consequence) for wrongdoing and deliberate rebellion against the government of God is loss of existence as an individual subject of that government. The final result of wholehearted sin is annihilation. In the last analysis, such sin-identified individuals have destroyed themselves by becoming wholly unreal through their embrace of iniquity. The factual disappearance of such a creature is, however, always delayed until the ordained order of justice current in that universe has been fully complied with.

Cessation of existence is usually decreed at the dispensational or epochal adjudication of the realm or realms. On a world such as Urantia it comes at the end of a planetary dispensation. Cessation of existence can be decreed at such times by co-ordinate action of all tribunals of jurisdiction, extending from the planetary council up through the courts of the Creator Son to the judgment tribunals of the Ancients of Days.

When this sentence is finally confirmed, the sin-identified being instantly becomes as though he had not been. There is no resurrection from such a fate; it is everlasting and eternal. The living energy factors of identity are resolved by the transformations of time and the metamorphoses of space into the cosmic potentials whence they once emerged. As for the personality of the iniquitous one, it is deprived of a continuing life vehicle by the creature’s failure to make those choices and final decisions which would have assured eternal life.

That’s the kind of “free will” this book exemplifies. It’s a crazy book to me, like it’s trying to feign positivity, but it’s full of nonsense that just doesn’t make any sense. And I don’t understand why so many people praise this book. Either way, it’s absolutely hilarious.

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Wonderful words!

This passage that you presented here from the Urantia book, reminds me of what I read in the book of what happens to animals when they die. The book says that animals do not have an immortal soul so their life force is an evolutionary energy that therefore returns to the cosmic forces of the universe. The personality of the animal does not survive death and ceases to exist. I found this reasoning very strange because the Urantia book says that humans evolved from a lemur type of animal. They then evolved to mid mammals, then primates, then humans. So why is it that our earlier evolutionary ancestor, such as the lemur, does not get to experience having a soul, but his genetic offspring in the future do? I think what Ra says in the Law of One about experiencing life in 1st density, then moving on to 2nd density as a plant or an animal, and on into 3rd density with its particular lessons make more sense than the Urantia book. The unique portion of consciousness that we get from Souce never dies or ceases to exist, it just changes its outer garment to fit that experience. Even if the consciousness does not realize itself yet.

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I would like to articulate, that different channeled materials, have different sources.

While The Source are the same in the greater scheme of things, they are not, the same things. They have many, many differences that I do believe cannot make them comparable.

I do believe, however antidotal, that the incident did happen. The man known as Jesus was after all a human, and it would add to his overall experience and understanding. It would give him first hand experience of hurting someone’s loved one, and offer infinite opportunity to grow. Its a shame the powers that be omitted it, because it leaves so much more room to think. More room for the common man to relate to Christ. I’ve heard tooo many Christians (surface level christians) say “no no I’m not Jesus. I’m not God. I can’t be that good,forgive,ect. I can’t love and be happy for people”.