It’s all good, Jayce, I’m familiar with perceptions out there, and like you, I also don’t know exactly what story those prison statistics tell, but I have a feeling there’s much more to the story.
You know Trevor Noah is also South African, so a while back he was here and gave a stand-up comedy show, so we went.
He explained to the audience how terrifying it is to have a black skin in America. He elaborated with some anecdotes.
So aside from racial profiling by police, there’s also the notorious prison system, and how lucrative black incarceration is.
This book might have some answers:
But if I have to be honest, looking at America from afar, I think they’re on a very bad trajectory. I can barely wrap my head around the sheer volume of mass shootings, of which 78% of the shooters are white.
But I also think African Americans carry a lot of generational trauma. It’s a complex situation with many factors to consider, but if a race has to use words like “Black Lives Matter”…then things are pretty dire.
I’m not saying they’re a bunch of little angels, who is? I’m simply questioning the assumpsion that they are “disproportionately more violent” than other races, which isn’t my perception, from my vantage point.
Rarity does not mean that such option is not available to all entities
Samadhi is also “rare” but it does not mean that it’s not available to all entities isn’t it?
Thus it’s better to focus on “why it’s rare?”
Perhaps it’s also due to that the availability of the option of Samadhi and Walk-In is not well known by the masses?
Every incarnation is always ok, there is no ‘wrong’ or ‘right’ incarnation, every incarnation is always ‘right’ within the context of each entity.
The material that you quote from Quo above is related to “attachment” in a form of “addiction”.
Any form of attachment might hampered the spirituality progress, and there’s nothing ‘wrong’ with that either. Such attachment might include to video games, television, drugs, mushroom, race, nationality, religion, figure/profile, family members, money, wealth, identity.
As Siddhartha said:
“The root of suffering is attachment”.
Using gaming metaphor, the ultimate destination is actually to exit / log off from the game for good. Yet such destination is ultimately attainable by each entity as part of it’s journey, thus what’s deemed valuable is actually the ‘experiencing’ within the game.
That’s what is meant by Allan Watts of “God is having fun”.
Again using gaming metaphor; those who still has ‘issues’ with the experience within the game (shot dead by an enemy for example) will continue to incarnate again to the game… again and again and again.. using different game avatars trying to ‘settle the score’.
There’s nothing wrong with that.. but ultimately one will learn to let go of the attachment and exit the game, that’s a certainty.
Since the thread is about Jesus, thus it’s within the context of the thread that what Roman Emperor did to Jesus materials is similar to what Egyptian Pharaoh did to Ra’s materials.
And also possible ‘future king/emperor/dictator/president/prime minister’ to today’s Ra/Quo’s materials published by llresearch.
Thus.. observe the pattern.
Like I mentioned in the above posting on this thread, I focus more on WHAT is STS/STO rather than WHO is STS/STO.
Every entity has certain percentage of STS and STO, since it’s actually two side of the same coin. What varies is only the percentage and it’s dynamically changing over time.
I don’t have any goal to impress whomevers.
I’m just putting the context to be balanced, since you seem to be ‘biased’ towards certain label.
Warlord is a warlord, from whichever continent they originated.
And each continent has their own fair share of warlord, including today’s America.
Tend to agree, to be truly “non-racial” is to stop racial census, profiling and definition in the first place.
Few years ago I met a friend who is a lead statistician in “Indonesian Bureau of Survey and Statistics”, he said that they’ve stopped doing racial population census back in early 2000. The reason being a “race” is hard to define and it’s not inline with the country’s goal of unity. He said “Indonesian is an Indonesian” regardless of which race or skin color that they have.
I inquire further with “Have you stopped doing population census on religion?”, which he answered with “unfortunately not yet”.
Thank you for understanding,
The systemic racial issues are there, and I have experienced them as well.
Well if we are talking about the arrest statistic from the FBI I shared, the 4 million number of whites being arrested are much higher than other race.
It is interesting to see that the data actually shows whites committing more crimes than any other race.
It’s just under specific categories, things are a bit off-set.
Thank you for sharing this, yes, the American prison system is privatized so it opens doors for many wrongs.
Right, not just America, for example, the Christchurch mosque shooting was also carried out by a white gunman.
You see, this is where I wanted to touch on. the generational trauma experienced on Earth is already monumental.
And I find it so strange that spiritual/religious texts push this beyond incarnations on this planet.
I don’t feel this is fair as I have said before. But there was a personal understanding that I am not comfortable sharing publicly because it has to do with a friend of mine who has passed.
Also, there is an infringement of free will if things are taken out of context.
I do understand that this “disproportionately more violent” statement causes a knee-jerk reaction, but where I am coming from with it was purely from statistical observation of data sets like the FBI docs.
Of course, we have talked about this extensively, and I am not ignorant about the racism of government entities towards people like MLK.
To conclude about this whole thing about “race”
I would say that I have not made any solid assumption, nor do I feel like I will be.
From the first comment I made, my observation from LDS church, l/l research, to stats, has been consistently… well… “inconsistent…” As paradoxically as that may sound.
I am not 100% with everything external or relative truths, and the only thing I have 100% transparent view is the infinite creator within.
I hope this helps ease any misunderstanding we may had Passer-by.
Going back on topic with “Jesus” talk.
I am interested in your opinion/observation about the LDS church, What do you think about their take? Also I am curious if you have read their book?
Quid, I apologize, but I am choosing to move on from our discussion.
In this last response/comment you gave,
I get the impression that things are going in circles. it is diverting from many points that I don’t agree with ethically, or morally under the gist of “wu wei.”
This is not something I appreciate when at one point, there was a hellbent effort from you to pin something that is blown out of proportion onto me.
And now, everything isn’t… “right” or “wrong”…
Interestingly orchestrated, to say the least,
Thank you for sharing your perspective and intention
Quite surprised to find out that “Egyptian” is labeled as among “White”.
And how about “Moroccan”? “Black or African”? or “White”?
If I was asked to fill out such form, I will definitely tick (X) on all boxes and on the last field, I’ll put “Andromedan” for “Some other race”
It’s all good, Jayce. I can see where you are coming from, and perceptions don’t form in a vacuum I suppose.
I have just started opening my mouth in conversations where this type of thing occurs, after I saw the Maya Angelou clip - she’s one of the spiritual giants who have shaped my path. Some “friendships” in my life are no more, because of it, but that’s okay.
As for the Mormon “scriptures”, sorry I’m not sure what your connection (or familiarity) with them is, but I consider them a cult, very similar to the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Bad juju…
I drink from many wisdom traditions, as I’ve shared in this thread, but that’s one fountain I’ll be giving a wide berth!
Whenever I see these white supremacists in the US, or any enmity of any kind for that matter anywhere on the planet, I always think of this lecture by Alan Watts:
Under Heaven all can see beauty as beauty only because there is ugliness.
All can know good as good only because there is evil.
Therefore having and not having arise together.
Difficult and easy complement each other.
Long and short contrast with each other;
High and low rest upon each other;
Voice and sound harmonize each other;
Front and back follow one another.
– Tao The Ching, Chapter 2
STO exist because STS exist, each complement each others.
“We” exist because “They” exist, each complement each others.
“IS” exist because “IS NOT” exist, each complement each others.
I did not plan on lingering for long, I can’t help you guys are so delightful!
I usually like to just peek around the corner to see what’s brewing in here, and then when I stick my finger in the air to say something in a moment of weakness…next thing I’m swept into the maelstrom! Much later when I see a message from Patrick in my inbox, I know I’ve messed up! …oops…
What Alan Watts said is In short, the echo chambers.
The place where High-fiving each other for a layer of identity blanketed over the oneness of all.
Thanks for your opinion about LDS and Jehovah’s Witnesses.
No, I am not strictly identified with any group specifically, but I do see the biases and hyper-bellicosity from different groups battling it out to give rise to one superior energy.
It is the philosophy and nature of certain polarity.
And it does lack compassion to see the all, in all.
Thus the reason why Jesus did not found any religion to begin with.
Nor did he followed the religion he was born into (Judaism).
Yet those who ‘founded religion’ always have similar motive; power, authority and control.
And throughout it’s further evolution, also follow similar pattern; Split->Split->Split->Split
As each claimed to be the “truest” within the group.
There was a time when I was thinking of founding a new religion namely: “Yet Another Truest Christianity”
Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or to coerce people along any particular path. If you first understand that, then you will see how impossible it is to organize a belief. A belief is purely an individual matter, and you cannot and must not organize it. If you do, it becomes dead, crystallized; it becomes a creed, a sect, a religion, to be imposed on others. This is what everyone throughout the world is attempting to do. Truth cannot be brought down, rather the individual must make the effort to ascend to it. You cannot bring the mountain-top to the valley. If you would attain to the mountain-top you must pass through the valley, climb the steeps, unafraid of the dangerous precipices.
But how will you know you’re a free bird, swooping and swirling in the open sky, unless there were birds stuck in cages? - insides & outsides, they go together.
And thus we have Bodhisattvas, achieving liberation for themselves, and then turning back to free the birds still stuck in cages.
The only word I would change in Krishnamurti’s speech, is I would change the word “belief” to the word “faith”, but him being a non-native English speaker would have gone with “belief” for that particular audience.
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