Earth transition to 4th density and its labor pains

There Is a big difference between:

  • The world (fictional system for enslavement with persons and financial system)
  • The earth (as sphere to live your life in corespondence with the natural environment and laws)

Accordingly it makes sense to distinguish between two different developments:

  • Daily life within the fictional world to keep the basics of existance and its development
  • Development of the own spirituality that goes beyond the incarnation

The second point is already dealt more than adequately in the forum from the own point of view. It makes sense to show up the difference and need of different handling.
What is been written to the first point is more addressed to all readers of this public forum.

Because there is not only a focus on the second part possible.
It is possible to work on both paths.

Because it makes no sense to live a life in enslavement in an totalitarianism system by free will.
All reasons for suffering of life circumstances having to do with war, work and finances can be eliminated very quickly, if a sufficient comprehension of the current system is given and simply another is actively chosen and pursued by the own free will.

Because the time is running out and the New World Order with ultimate totalitarianism is already in sight.

What will stop it?

This includes to comprehend the basics of the commercial system, specially

  • The construct of a person
  • The construct of the financial debt system
  • The construct of nations and states
  • The construct of religion and the central role of the vatican in the history

Ok, when asking my question, I assumed that all this information was already known by the person.

So once everyone knows about these things.

What will fix it?

A man or woman can know something and with this knowledge he/she automatically has started thinking and knows what he/she wants to do.

To chose a path to shape your life sovereignly yourself and not to leave this to others, who only pretend to act in your interest.

In concrete terms a lot will soon depend on how people deal with the introduction of the CBDC and its combination with social scoring.
The last remnant of freedom that is currently still present depends on this.

I think this is already part of the path of a seeker. As the seeker advances on the path it needs to become more and more self-responsible and make those choices that will bring it closer to the state it wishes to be in more and more.

Everyone I know in the mainstream population knows that the system is broken. They may not know exactly why in detail, but everyone feels it at least (some are perfectly fine with this because they can use that broken system to their advantage in personal and business affairs).

But knowing these things and making new kind of choices based on that awareness is already what seekers are all doing, isn’t it?

(As always) I can follow you. It’s absolute correct what you are writing, but there is the possibility for more.

No - it is a different kind of knowledge and acting.

Ra and the Q’uo are giving us a (fundamental) cosmic understanding that is very important.
There are other sources that are able to give us more details about it, when someone wants to know it.
This knowledge helps us to develop our spiritual self, but helps rather little to cope with the devious pitfalls of the system.

Additional there is the knowledge and comprehension of a weird system that is mostly called the matrix, that has at least nothing to do with your being, because it is a constructed illusionary world, which has been put over the real life.
The matrix film gives only an approximate idea, but to overcome the system some points must be really internalized.
This automatically leads to the fact that this (current) system will not longer be supported (because no one wants to be voluntary enslaved) and automatically the implementation of alternatives will be individually started to work on.

Well, I have seen this work wonders on coping with the system and changing it incrementally. Even for businesses, the way the business is conducted can benefit a great deal from applying the concepts that the Confederation is teaching us. The way we deal with customers, the way we treat employees, etc…

I think it would be helpful if you gave examples of what more seekers could do to help?

Again I have to agree. But I want to remark that you are writing about the relationship to other selves / customers / colleagues at eye level.
This is different from interacting with government, banks and ā€œforeignā€ states.

As already explained here it is needed to comprehend concepts and thought forms (a person or state is like one) to come to the insight how and in what form you act in daily life, what this implies and how an system of enslaving is nurtured with it.
This leads to an different perception who you are (as embodied man/woman on earth) in the same way as an spiritual enlighting (but of course only limited to the incarnation).

It seems to me that you see these things (government, banks and ā€œforeignā€ states) as entities that are self-aware and runs themselves.

But I see these things as the sum of the intent of the people running these things.

If these people becomes more loving, then those organizations becomes more loving.

I do not see how we can get a better system without the people getting better themselves.

But more to the point, I do not see what else anyone can do? We cannot argue with the system, but we can argue with the people running it. When those people changes, then the system changes. Because they see things differently and so they make different rules for the system.

So how do we affect the people running the system in a way that it results in the new system we would like to have?

Practically they are run more and more automatic, driven by software. That’s what some people call KI or AI.
The most important thing is that nobody is signing anything and takes responsibility for it and that this is accepted by the mass. Everything already consists here of so-called regulations that someone unknown has issued, for which sometimes not even a basis based on a law exists.
A good example is the so called EU that is only a society.

Un the meantime there is actually no longer any secret about what the intentions are.
How can they be globally aligned in such a way?
Where are the people that have sayed that they want this?

Have you ever heard or read of a slave owner who is loving?

The first question is how many system is needed in reality?
Do you need every detail ruled in your life, or are you able to take care of it yourself?

When you begin to take care for the things yourself, you will automatically come to the point to think how you will act / treat other selves and how you want to be treatened.

You don’t need to argue with a system when the people take care of things on their own.
You just need to sit down with the others to agree on how things should be done.

This didn’t happen in the history, why it should happen now?

How many politicians have a special qualification / ability to take care of the needs better than the affected people themselves?

How many rules are wanted by the people who supposedly elected the politicians to act in their interest?

By regulating things sovereignly again and thus no longer having an administration carry out everything, in which corruption and nepotism are now the rule.
Nothing more even happens now when corruption and nepotism blows up.

Isn’t that like a chamber of representatives in a government?

Because fourth density is here and it is changing the rules of the game my friend.

Of course. I think that is what we are doing. But it will take at least 100 years in my opinion before our systems have evolved enough with us to look that way.

In the meantime, what do we do? We still need to function in society. We still need to pay income taxes (which is used in part to pay for wars).

It seems to me that you are advocating for self-development and for people to better inform themselves. I advocate for the same things really.

Maybe one difference is that you seem to say we should reject the system, reject the Elites, etc… How will that help a person? We still need to follow the laws, pay taxes and earn a living.

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No - because everyone will tackle and actively participate to accomplish the tasks.
Currently there are only representatives who set their own diets and let others do what they decide.

There cannot be discerned any changing of public rules which are to our advantage?

What ā€œweā€ are doing?
It’s just that they don’t even have to make an effort to hide their true activity anymore.

Much fun in the coming 100 years.

Sit down and still wait that ā€œothersā€ will do the job and hope that it is in your interest?

This is one of the misunderstandings. Nothing can be payed in bankruptcy (Refer to the Chicago Plan Revisited).
There are only credits into the future and it is forbidden to pay them back, because nothing can be payed. That’s why the interest is increasing more and more. The interest has of course to be payed to the (private) banks.
All credits are basing on a securitization of future manpower.
Besides - in a private credit the FIAT-money is already generated with your sign on the credit application. Therefore the ability to work / performance is checked.

The world is under commercial law. (For credits see UCC 1-201(24) and UCC 3-104)

I promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of ten pounds

You will pay it in the future when it is possible again. :wink:

That is correct.
But the coin (of life) has two sides and you only want to look on one side of it - the spiritual side. As outlined here there are two sides on one coin.

It will kill the identification with the person. You will be an unlimited living being again that has not died the civil death.
It leads to a life as sovereign in which a person is only used to limit liability for business activity.
It leads to a maximum of freedom in life in which it is no longer about generating money for (foreign) interest.

Tadeus – I think I might see what you are suggesting here. Let me see if this is perhaps where you are going with this (and might I point out the interesting fact that you, Patrick and I are having what is almost the very same discussion in two different places – one might suppose from this that the three of us are rather passionate about the subject :wink: ). I believe I may see where the differences lie in your perception versus Patrick’s. Please let me know if I am correct here.

If I perceive Tadeus correctly, you believe that, by continuing to participate in the overarching system that has evolved around us for the purposes of enriching and further entrenching STS ideals and entities – such as, for example, using a bank account with fiat money to purchase things, or using a traditional hospital for treatment if sick – we are, by default, continuing to enrich and entrench this system simply by virtue of our participation. In addition, through our continued participation in the system, we are tacitly implying our consent to its existence.

Now. At the present time (December 24, 2022 by the Gregorian system), Patrick points out that it is quite possible for the seeker who is sufficiently awakened to live within that system quite comfortably, without compromising too many of his or her ideals to a tremendous degree. While said seeker may well grind a few teeth at the prospect of, for example, parting with his or her hard-earned fiat in order to fund a bloody torturous murder machine, or the 19th yacht belonging to a serial child rapist who regularly sacrifices infants to Ba’al, this same seeker may also recognize the fact that the murder machine would grind on without his or her active participation, and that the infants would be sacrificed regardless. Therefore, it is far more harmonious, at this precise time in history, to simply find ways to work comfortably and without too much dissonance within the confines of the system, rather than trying to find a way to live without it (which is, I might point out, nigh-onto impossible in the northern latitudes, and cannot possibly be all that pleasant in the southern ones given the dramatic influx of southerners our way – cough southern US border cough).

Put another way, while it would be nice to cut out of the system entirely, were I to try and do so right now, in totality, I would very literally freeze to death.

If I have understood the thrust of both Tadeus’s and Patrick’s points in the debate, I might at this point point out that I agree with both of you. I would also point out that I used the word ā€œpointā€ 3x in that sentence, and I would change it, except that the fact entertains me.

The looming doom, then, comes with the additional point (again) that I think that Tadeus is making, which is something like this. We have all heard that, in the not at all distant future, the existence of a ā€œsocial credit scoreā€ tied to one’s digital presence in the system will necessitate everyone on Earth to make a choice. This choice, in essence, is: Do we allow ourselves to have our social conduct, our biases and preferences, dictated by the Borg in order to continue to participate in the Borg’s system? Do we acquiesce to being scrutinized and judged because, after all, everyone is doing it, you can’t live a normal life without it and, heck, it’s ā€œjust one more thing?ā€ What if the things on the social credit score aren’t so bad, at first? What if it’s basic courtesy stuff, such as stopping at crosswalks to let pedestrians cross? Would you really wish to be shut out of all commerce just because the Borg wants you to have good traffic manners?

… Or would you indeed say no, and commit to the struggle of making your own way, if that happens?

Perhaps you are aware that today they are asking you to stop for a pedestrian in traffic, but tomorrow they might just as easily request that, given that we are currently over our global population quota by 0.79%, you will be shut out if you refuse to run them over?

Thank you for your feedback.

There are many different perceptions and ways to the same fundamental ā€œproblemā€ possible.
It is possible to present another view on it, that is explained at Telegram by to guys that are not related to the LOO or the commercial system?

That’s correct. In fact most people are completely absorbed in the role of the person and have practically lost touch with real life.

It is intended to realize and alter the system and not to find a way to live with it by avoiding it for the rest of the life.
If this is the only solution, then the progressive division of society (which can already be seen) will lead to it actually being divided into two camps maybe physically.

There are elaborate ways to create solutions even within the system by keeping the person at arm’s length. But this should not be the future.

It is intended by the system that you only have the choice to live with it or to be locked out of any livelihood.

But the real choice that has to be done is if an individual will agree to an unintended total slavery by free will.
The choice must be done at the time of the introduction to say active No and to act with finding alternatives together with others.

That’s a practical way to ask for the choice to be done.

Of course it will be selled with some appetizers and after acceptance the social scoring will be untwisted.

This is a misleading allegory / example, because the current changes are going far beyond this.

There is only one way of (real) life that is acceptable, because total slavery isn’t.

The argumentation takes place on a much more perfidious level. It is always argued with the words protect and security, without to mention the total loss of freedom and free will in return.

I’m afraid there may be a translation error here … I’m not sure what you are referring to as ā€œthe person.ā€ Do you mind elaborating? (Or, perhaps giving me the word in German, so that I can ask my Dad for a more nuanced translation?)

I’m aware that they are going far worse in practice; in theory, however, we can still opt-out (in the USA at least), because adherence to the Borg philosophies is not required for participation in the Borg system of commerce. The major exception here is in the medical establishments, and I do not know what exactly is going on there, but it’s profoundly disturbing.

My example, however, was intended to suggest why some people (not you, obviously, Tadeus, nor I) will inevitably be tempted to give in and participate in the Social Credit Score linked to the CBDC – because, at first, it won’t seem so bad.

I’m afraid that the intent of my point there may have been lost …

No - there is no translation error - it is simply a lack of understanding what a person is.
(It’s very interesting that every useful video cannot be found on youtube any more explaining the difference.)

A person is not a living being - it is only a dead legal construct on paper.
It has been invented by roman law to differ the rights between masters and slaves.

For more details please read this article and ask again:

There is absolutely no difference anywhere on this planet.

There is never an offer without an price to be paid.
In this case you will pay the total ā€œsecurityā€ with total lost of freedom and free will.

Please explain the intent of your point.

tadeus, I think there is… I don’t know if you understand that we, Patrick, Cats, and I do understand and trying our best to speak with you on your terms and your perspective of reality.

I am not going to dive deep like the other two on this subject.

I ask that at any moment in this exchange, or perhaps even in your current perspective of reality…

ā€œWhere is the love in this moment?ā€

" Where is the Creator in this moment?"

ā€œHow may I serve to my highest and best in this moment?ā€

ā€œHow may I expand faith and let go of fear?ā€

ā€œHow may I love?ā€

l/l

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It’s interesting that you try to speak in a way to an child that will not under-stand.
Yes - there is no under-standing, because it is possible to recognize and act in more then one way.
So patrick seems to give up answering, when he has to leave his way of thinking and believe.

There is less love in the more and more satanic world.
There is only a minority that is able to see love in everything.

The creator is always in us.

This can be done in very different ways.
It is an individual decision to do this only in one way.

This can be done in different ways too.
That is what is tried to divest - that with the right knowledge nothing has to be feared in the fictional world.
Faith and believe is only that is left for those, who don’t know what to do else.

Love can be expressed in very different ways.

AAAHHHHH okay. I do understand that now, thank you, and you are correct – that’s a great point. I will bear that in mind. FYI, you may wish to define obscure terms like that for your readers in the future – I am pretty up on obscure political jargon such as this, but that one was totally lost on me.

I assume you mean here that there is no difference between adherence to Borg philosophies and participation in Borg commerce? … That, in other words, simply by using fiat ā€œmoneyā€ we have all essentially sold our souls already?

If that is the thrust of your argument, then I guess I would just say that we will have to agree to disagree. I do not believe that use of fiat money in our fiat based society is an inherently evil act. Fiat money is absolutely used as an instrument of evil, to keep people weak, fearful and enslaved; however, given that, as you have observed, there is essentially nowhere on this planet that one can live a free existence without participating in the Borg system of commerce in some capacity, if one has chosen to incarnate on Earth, one is pretty stuck with using fiat for the moment.

There are alternatives now; however, the difficulties inherent are numerous, and require a concerted effort. While I do applaud anyone who has chosen to opt-out, I am of the opinion that it is, at present, such an extremely intensive lifestyle choice that I cannot begrudge anyone who does not choose the difficulties of this path. I do know some folks who have opted out, to various degrees; it is an interesting choice, and they are an interesting bunch. I would be shocked if any of them are polarized positively.

I thought that your suggestion was that the moment of reckoning has not yet come to pass, but that it will soon, with the rollout of CBDC and the subsequent requirement for all citizens to carry a social credit score to participate in commerce. My point was that if you were suggesting this, then I agree with your premise. My further suggestion, which I did not quite get to before, is that this will likely be the point at which it is possible for those of us who refuse to bend to the Borg to finally reach a sufficient critical mass so as to begin to form workable alternatives.

The font/background color on this forum makes my eyes hurt, so I apologize for any typos.