Would you choose to implement the veil?

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When reading the Ra material for the first time many years ago it resonated deeply with me, I felt that I could finally accept this harsh reality, and all the cruel things people do for their own benefit. I felt as if though the negative path was necessary, that without it, the positive path could not be as it is, that it created some sort of balance. I only read about half of it at that time. A couple of months ago I read (listened to) all of it. The part of the material I have a harder time accepting is the veil.

In one aspect, the veil feels like a cruel experiment. That the logos has actually chosen this. And that so many souls are trapped in this “prison” because the veil is so hard to penetrate (just painting a picture). I know that it has worked a lot better in other instances than on this planet, but still. I feel so much sorrow for all the people suffering. From the perspective we have from “within” the veil it’s hard to justify that the benefits outweigh the costs. But then again we are in an incarnation in third density, which is a very short timespan in the long run and apparently we get much “time” to heal in between these incarnations.

Does anyone have a brighter perspective on the veil? It would be really interesting to hear. I guess I sometimes feel like “What’s the point of all this?” That we should suffer so much, for what purpose? For the creator to know itself a little bit better and a little bit faster?

Sorry if this comes out negatively, but I guess I just need to write it as I feel it sometimes. That in itself can help in the process of grasping this. Either way, for me, love is the answer with or without the veil. And even if I would not choose to implement it my self, it is a reality that I eventually need to accept.

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When you are driving a red car, you will see a lot of red cars on the road.

I don’t feel your post is “negative.”

Yes, we are essentially bounded to our vehicle (body,) and do not “leave” until we are “done.”

But the perception of a “box” is a bit “boxy” to me.

What is it that exist outside of the box? if you view this “experiment” as a box?

Does it mean that we have no suffering, everything is bliss, and pleasure and love?

And if you sit in that for eternity, does that become a “box?” as well? a “prison?”

If I may suggest to view this concept or “teaching” not so close to our human’s natural parameter. I feel it would be much liberating and “free.”

i.e. in your OP, you view the information like the veil, the “experiment” and spiritual evolution from a linear and objective viewpoint.

Personally, I don’t feel like this is the case,

When I read the Ra materials, I always keep in mind that the entity can only use “human” concept to explain things to Don and Carla.

This does not mean that it is the “truth,” and may simply be a “version” of understanding of the truth.

Not knowing the definitive external truth has given me much light to my internal truth.

I hope this helps,

Much light

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Greetings Major3rd

like you when I really delve into what is the suffering of some and so many also, it is mind boggling, and really depressing. Seeming unjustified and nearly nonsense.

Our limited perspective as looking through it doesn’t help.

Now since I can only speak of my case, something interesting happened to me.
in 1986 I had a reading with a wild psychic, a young man who was also a musician, but found when he was 18 he coud interact with your spiritual guides while making n astrological reading for. a friend; He also knew Sanskrit so his astrological readings were done from the Vedic point of view.

Anyway when I saw him, I was in the third year od coma of my second child who had had an accident o f near drowning. He was in a. light coma, not necessitating any machine so it looked like he wanted to stick around this way.

Anyway, after an hour and a half of really interesting astrological portrait he then connect4ed to myt spiritual guides and they reviewed with lots of humor what he had said and corrected a few things,

Since I was allowed to ask questions, I did ask them why did this accident happened ( I was a pretty attentive mum…) and why did it happen this way.

My spiritual guides answered this, " he planned this accident as he had a debt to pay and he chose you among three mothers as you would be the most attentive mother if he decided to step back." And then they added, " see how preciously everything is planned, in your previous incarnation you were a man in charge of theaters and your son perished on the war field during the war in 1870 in france. You went to recognize the body on the field and it drove you to deep depression, indeed you decided after some years to end your own life. So see how now how you have to face the possible loss of a child and you are doing it absolutely, organizing everything, and see how it was carefully planned that in that accident there would be no blood. While this child is in this state he is of service to souls who are leaving Earth . And you have recognized yourself that sometimes he is in his body and sometimes he is not."

So Major3rd, this is is just one exemple and it is just personal, but it gives pause to reflect how things may be planned somehow.

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Over the years of looking into various things. First I used to believe everything I heard and I was a mad mad little boy. Then once i started to be able to check my sources a little more, I have concluded that there is a good deal of the Law of One that was a ‘lie of omission’, because they did not want to say something that would lead to more questions and that highlighted something ‘fantastical’ about the negative polarity or something else that would distract from the discussion.

A lot of our history tells of a time when humans were created as kind of ape like beings, they were too dim to do anything. Then humans were upgraded and became too powerful in general for the beings ruling over everything (this is the source of texts such as Prometheus giving fire to humanity and then being eternally punished for it by Zues). Then they downgraded humanity to what we are now.

The correlation to a veil being placed in seems quite close. It may not be correct, but I simply don’t have enough information to determine either way.

But if this is the creation of the veil then it was done, from the point of view of the beings doing it, very much to create a slave race, and very much out of fear, and by powerful beings that were already it sounds, fairly negatively polarised.

The way I see it, and this is a bit off the wall. I discovered this in a period of deep mourning and it gave me some comfort.

The Law of One stated that they will be following on to the next third density planet that the people here incarnate on, until the entire population is harvested, We know that the sixth density wanderers of Ra will incarnate then on said planet. So it is likely all their fifth and sixth density buddies will also.

So it is likely we will all have other lives where things aren’t quite so dark and chaotic. Where lifespans are longer (The Law of One mentioned 1000 years as ideal and mentioned after 200 years people actually mature with that lifespan).

They also mentioned that whenever they had tried to improve things the negative had stepped in and messed it up. You had George Van Tassels machine that was meant to create a longer lifespan, and then Nicola Tesla. They met with one of the Presidents I can’t recall which one.

So the way I see it. We are in a position where due to the incredible confusion, partly created through negative beings taking the magic of the pyramid. Essentially it seems to me that the negative has gotten very powerful and locked everything down. So what will happen is that the negative will be removed by a kind of game theory. Then people will be able to reflect on things having experienced this level of negativity. I.e. like a thorn being removed, actually seeing to their own emotional wounds. Then with that increased wisdom will set up additional lives on this second earth that will be more positive.

At the moment though, very little can actually move. People have in a lot of cases chosen conformity and are living the results of various traumas and things are just stuck.

So my thoughts on the general negativity of everything is that sometimes, if you have a world of positive and negative, the negative wins. But they won’t win forever.

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I love it, you just gave us the star wars plot :joy:

But on the flip side.

I think if you try maybe just for a moment, and live by the law of one, it could open up a lot of that view point of yours.

Not to conform,

But to simply seeing love in the moment,

Perhaps smiling at a stranger,

Genuinely helping others without expectation.

I can share with you that I used to have a lot of doubt, from being fed by external truths.

I had assumption this, assumption that, letting my mind to become my master.

This was a while ago,

One day, I woke up and decided that it was time to let go and try some of the things I’ve mentioned above.

Suddenly things changed… My reality changed,

Polarities is real, and this is a place of choices.

We are learning to choose here.

Yes, there will still be buttheads and other-selves that will not know boundaries and bothers you. Harming others, and doing really bad things.

But they are on their path as well.

Once you see this, and genuinely chooses your next step, and your next step.

You stopped being the commentator and actually get on the field.

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Also,

Going back to your OP question " Would you choose to implement the veil?"

Absoooolutely,

Without it, you would only be choosing from the analytical mind, and not truly from your heart.

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Thanks for your input, each helpful in its own way! :slight_smile:

Also glad that this new forum is alive and well.

flofrog, I’m sad to hear your story and glad that you found comfort and insight from it.

Phoenix, that is an interesting perspective, it does diverge from the Ra-material that states that it was implemented by the Logos as I recall it. I do think that at least the negative try to take advantage of the veil as much as possible, and that our current situation was not perhaps what was hoped for the most when the Logos created the veil.

I guess for me it comes back to living in the moment, not delving too much into the things you don’t understand and that is out of your control anyway (perhaps we get to vote about the veil after this though :wink: )
Parts of the Ra material can be very dense and hard to absorb, which is natural when trying to communicate from a non-veiled higher density to this one. The advice of meditation and service to others is solid and always good to come back to in my perspective.

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When you’re the programmer of a game, will it make sense to introduce a ‘veil’ that makes you ‘forget’ that you’re the one who programmed the entire game in order for you to enjoy the game?
When you’re the director of a movie, will it make sense to introduce a ‘veil’ that makes you ‘forget’ that you’re the one who authored and directed the entire movie in order for you to enjoy the movie?

I’m now imagining a dialogue like this in LOTR.
Sam: Master Frodo! How could you stay relax and calm?? We’re captured by the Orcs who will took us to Mordor!!! To Sauron!! He will torture you and took the ring and the entire middle earth will fall into his grasp and become hell!
Frodo: My dear Sam, relax… that’s not how the story goes as I wrote it, we will escape soon enough and the ring will be destroyed in Mount Doom eventually.
Sam: How can you be so sure??
Frodo: Sam, I am Tolkien, the author of this universe and actually so are you, I am actually talking to myself when I’m talking to you. I wrote the entire script! I wrote the entire storyline! That’s how I can be so sure.

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Major3rd
I dont know if this helps but i wanted to say i shared your feelings at one point on the suffering of myself and others. I saw life as cruel and it made me cry when i thought of the pain some inflict on others…but as i grew in understanding of the depth of pain and oppurtunities it brings to grow stronger,to open our hearts,to share and help and serve i began to start to move beyond those horrifying thoughts about the things i saw…a good example is this…i was a drug addict who was imprisoned many times due to my addiction …prison was traumatic and very painful…i was made to feel less than…ashamed .stripped,locked away with sex offenders and murderers…i felt alone lost and like society hated me…i wondered in the dark many years…when i finally started to heal and recover and dig deep into who i was AS A RESULT OF MY ADDICTION and eventually awaken to a happiness i didnt know existed i began to look back on all the pain and death and sorrow and shame i had been through and began to see how it shaped me,opened my heart,and pushed me to grow into what i am today…we choose to forget for this stregnthening…
Remember when Ra said imagine a poker player that knows all the cards…all the hands…he plays but hes uninterested in the game…YOUR SOUL ,YOUR HEART,YOUR SPIRIT IS CONSTANTLY HAVING TO BATTLE TO BE HEARD,TO BE FOUND,TO BE LISTENED TO…that makes it strong…it makes you strong…whats a little pain and confusion in eternity…that being said …i still cry everytime i see someone suffer…it just has a deep and profound meaning to me…i love deeper now…i dont hide from drath and sickness like i used to…love you brother

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totally with you Jayce…

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To me, not only do I see the veil as utterly essential, but I can’t believe the creator didn’t think of it sooner.

Even your very discomfort at the consequences of forgetting are a gift from the veil.

Without the veil, there is nothing to fear. Fear is the basis of spiritual growth because without it there is nothing to face.

And always remember that it’s a veil, not a memory wipe. How else can you test if an idea has made it to your spirit?

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Without “not knowing” there will be no discovery.
Yes no data is lost thus “memory wipe” doesn’t really exist, it’s merely seen as ‘wiped’ because it’s being ‘isolated’ / ‘not accessible’ through the existence of a ‘veil’. As a result a separated identity is created.
And I believe the ‘veil’ is multi layered, as through the ‘veil’ a sense of (virtual) separation is created.
There’s a veil between 3rd density entity and it’s higher self a 6th density entity. When the veil is removed the entity will say I am many entities (social memory complex), from rocks to angels/gods (due to lack of better words for 4th, 5th and 6th entities).
There’s a veil between higher self and the infinite creator, otherwise the higher self will say I am everyone and everything, thus destroying the separated identity of ‘higher self’.
The above is merely illustration, as I’m ‘veiled’ from knowing how many layers are there actually…

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