Why Does QUO bo on and on and on?

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I think before and during the Ra contact they had a couple of talented, dedicated channeling students. Leonard Cecil, who was present at the first contact with Ra and was responsible for the only contact with Orcas, comes most readily to mind. I take LLR in the 70s as the template for the groups I’ve organized in part because it was the one that produced fellow channels, and we care about the preservation of that tradition.

I’ve thought a lot about this, and I have to say that what I’ve concluded is that before the contact with Ra the seeking and channeling seemed a lot more collective and shared across the group. After Ra, I think they were so sought after as the “Ra contact people” that it became harder to truly be horizontal in power and organization. I’m just speculating, of course, but I’ll note that in the two circles in which I participate, that’s the feeling we have as well – that we’re all in this together and contact is a collective spiritual responsibility, not one in which the instrument does all the lifting and everybody else is a spectator. That’s why you can’t just attend one of our workings in Richmond; we have rules about that.

I never really got that sense attending sessions channeled by Carla in the 2000s, and Steve has mused that this may be due to Carla starting to consider LLR a “church for the unchurched” rather than a group experiment in consciousness like it was in the 70s. Our goal is to build a container for the channeling relationship to grow and evolve, so we go out of our way to resource that financially, emotionally, socially, etc. It’s more than just getting together; it’s taking an active interest in each other’s lives. I don’t know if instruments who trained with Carla felt like they got anything like that; maybe they did, maybe they didn’t.

Finally: we don’t let just anybody in, so we’ve pre-vetted any potential students. I didn’t get the sense of the same selectivity with LLR intensives. And I’ve heard it said that Carla, for all her strengths, was not a great judge of character. We put a tremendous amount of time and effort into building a circle, and we still have people who find they have a tough time getting along. in fact, I’ve been trying to form a third group for a while, but it’s just hard to find people willing to make that commitment that we have, and it’s detrimental to our cohesion to just expand to let everybody in. Trust takes time.

Take all that with a grain of salt, but given that it is the way I view things, you can see how it’s influenced how we’ve operated.

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My sense is that in the early days, they simply didn’t have a history to look back on and much of what happened was haphazard. For me, the major through line is Carla’s channeling, but maybe more so the fact that she was the main seeker and questioner. When it came to asking questions, most people asked about things that were personal to them, if they asked anything at all. Typically, in my reading, beyond the initial group question, if someone was asking about spiritual principles, nine times out of ten that was Carla.

Now that I’m thinking about it, maybe that’s another reason for the failure of other groups, maybe they asked about everything they cared about and didn’t wish to dig in deeper?

Your point about the group providing support for members I feel is very important, mainly for the reasons you stated: trust and cohesion.

You have far more time into this than me, but I wonder about this. The session LLR did for me in 2006 went very deep, both in terms of Carla’s level of trance and the depth of the material covered. I think I typed this above already (maybe?), but I consider the years between 2003 and 2008 to be the halcyon days of the conscious LLR channeling because there were a slew of deeply seeking seeker asking questions in those days, and the answers, I find, are correspondingly useful.

To make YOUR point, I would offer this excerpt. It’s an offhand question regarding a deep topic. The answer is, basically, go meditate and you can learn something about it. No serious discussion of the topic is offered, I would say, due to the shallowness asking.

Gary

In keeping with the theme of the personality shell, Q’uo, how does the entity within an incarnation distinguish between the personality shell and the deeper soul identity?

Q’uo

I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my brother. The entity within the incarnation which may be seen as the personality shell may become aware of the deeper levels of its own being through that which you call the meditative state, where there is the seeking for that which is beyond the conscious recognition of the mind/body/spirit complex which has become a personality shell. As this entity becomes aware consciously of the process of evolution, it may utilize those preincarnative lessons to move further along its own spiritual path. As this movement along the spiritual path is achieved, there is the continuing realization that the self which thought it knew who it was, becomes aware that there is more to it than what it knew.

Thus, the process of spiritual growth, intellectual understanding, and emotional acceptance of greater and greater portions of the being allows for this process to accelerate, aided greatly by the processing of catalyst within the meditative state. The meditative state also being most helpful for the self to explore even further and deeper the qualities that it discovers along this spiritual path that are related to itself and are indeed a part of itself. As the entity expands its circle of knowledge, it becomes more and more aware of the immensity of the soul identity that is in closer and closer congruency with the One Infinite Creator which dwells within.

Thus, such a seeker of conscious experience and catalyst in the processing of such, becomes availed of those facets of itself that are sacred, that are holy, that are all-encompassing, that are a portion, and in fact, in totality, the One Infinite Creator. Thus, there is no end to the discoveries of the facets of the self that a personality shell may discover in the spiritual journey. There is, within each entity, then, the possibility of making these discoveries of the enhanced qualities and facets, and energies, and directions of the soul essence that is expressing itself in greater and greater manner as the fourth-density energies continue to enhance this process upon your planetary sphere.

We would ask if there is a follow-up query, my brother?

Gary

Thank you for the opportunity, but no thanks.

I’ll bet you two beers, Jeremy, that if that question had been asked by a serious poker player (referring to the analogy) who could put their deep self forward and turn their cards over revealing their deep will to serve, that the soul identity question would have received a better articulated answer.

I stopped reading the sessions sequentially ages ago and now only search by topic. I have seen repeatedly this kind of thing where a similar question is answered very differently owing to spiritual gravity of the questioner.

Myself, I’ve worked with clairvoyants for over three decades now, and I learned very early on how to query in this manner in order to get more bang for my buck, as they say. It has served me very well in my seeking.

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Which early days? I’ve been doing a deep dive on 1974. There’s not a lot of dialogue — it’s mostly Don and Carla, often handing off to instruments of different skill levels. But I do agree that most folks tend to ask about personal stuff, although they seemed good about couching questions in wider spiritual frames.

I would also admit now that “dialogue” does tend to have a different cadence with a conscious contact vs a trance one. Ra is invariably more to the point, and that causes what seems like a snappier conversation, but of course we know how long Ra took to speak. In conscious contacts (including Quetzalcoatl via Anika) the answers are longer, which would seem to me to be absolutely critical to recover depth. I still think it’s misguided to use even a minimally punctuated dialogue, but i acknowledge there may be things at work I’m not aware of.

That’s actually something I’ve run into myself. Frankly I’ve been a bit depressed after this last intensive — beyond the archetypal mind, where do we go? I started seeing a day when channeling isn’t for me.

But I think all this means is that I need to dilate my gaze a bit and be open to a new adventure. The channeling serves the seeking not the other way around. And because I’ve had to do so much to get this project off the ground, it’s easy for me to forget that.

All that said, my opinions on channeling are based on what I know and my own limitations. I’d also say that now that we have other circles springing up claiming the lineage, I suppose I have an increased interest in these opinions. So there’s my cards face up!

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I’m unaware of these. Can you describe them?

I’m guessing this is why Jim seldom queries and cut way back on his channeling a long time ago, and, why the current LLR group takes questions mainly from people who are not present at the events. I can’t fault anyone for this, but it seems their degree of seeking is not as relentless as Carla R’s.

The act of channeling demands a discipline which is useful to seeking, and regular contact with what to us are spiritual beings is useful to seeking. What about the information itself?

On the one hand, we’re all here due to channeled information. On the other, most people appear to have only transient interest in these things, including most people who have done the channeling. Back to the first hand, this is a means of disseminating spiritual information for those who need it. But then it’s not organized and the complexity of the initial concepts and verbiage are off-putting to many.

Personally, I’ve chosen not to make an investment of my resources here because I feel that what’s more needed is some sort of defined pathway from personality oriented living to spirit oriented living. The difference mainly being concern for life focus on activities of the lower three energy centers versus of the heart. The heart is a Grand Central Station of the human, meaning that one can transfer from there to explore all manner of different things. Experience of the heart, as an example, seems more “central” to me than Q & A’s.

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In addition to LLR and my two circles, there’s:

  • a FB circle that channels like all the Confederation entities but they work entirely online
  • Red Cord Channeling (Quetzalcoatl)
  • Wayward / 7 Steps Channeling

None of these have a legitimate claim on the lineage, imho, if for no other reason than they have not yet produced enough content to make the determination one way or another.

In terms of dropping off from channeling, I generally agree with your remarks. In terms of the role the information plays in the value of channeling as a discipline, as distinct from its role as a byproduct of other spiritual intentions, I think it’s a question that is perpetually up for challenge. I would also say that by building a large body of work as LLR did, you can assemble a great amount of non-repetitive detail on a topic becoming a rich resource for research.

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AMEN!

Well, one could double back and begin at the beginning. That would be to better understand the personal mind, beginning with the personality, then moving to the heart nexus. Oughtn’t one have a firm grounding in the personal mind before hoping to benefit in a solid way from study of the deep mind? Maybe I’m wrong about that?

This is a funny topic. LLR has set a huge precedent for attempting to penetrate the deep mind as a tourist rather than as a native, I would say. One big distinguishing factor, to my small mind, is the presence of absence of the preparatory work of understanding the individual mind. There might be more to say about this than, “Go meditate.” Maybe more inquiry into forgiveness and acceptance? Maybe a deeper investigation of conscious and subconscious identity?

But then we return to the dichotomy of talking about something versus actually experiencing it. As you say, this is a perennial discussion.