Why Does QUO bo on and on and on?

I have said multiple times that I haven’t read it and don’t wish to criticise it. Rather, I was replying to your comment, which I did read. I was keen to hear what @SeasonedSeeker thinker had to say – something that we both share.

At the same time, I perceive that we come from different places to get here. We both presumably agree that there is much in the Ra Material. I realise that I have different perspectives and, if I’m honest, had hoped to find common ground with the original poster of this thread. I do think it healthy to have different opinions while we are still here in this density. I do not genuinely wish to undermine or attack you, but rather wish to carve out the space to have my own beliefs and thoughts, if you can understand the place where I am coming from? Forgive me if I have come across otherwise. Allow me to say that I wish you the best.

Well in that case, if I understand you correctly, it’s just that Q’uo didn’t appeal to you and you don’t want to talk about it and you are not interested in it.

You are interested in what SeasonedSeeker has to say, who is frustrated with Q’uo and sometimes he thinks Q’uo is some kind of gibberish.

In that case, I, in turn, exercising my free will, leave this thread as, in my subjective opinion, it will not lead to anything positive and I will deal with other matters.

No. I just saw where this is going to go. Instead, I offered an olive branch.

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This one I am always happy to accept.

I will admit that your attitude towards Q’uo is still quite enigmatic to me.

Other than that, I have consistently found that I am unable to contribute anything more to this thread for the moment and do not resonate further with its development, so I will not delve into further discussion.

Have a great time on the forum! See you maybe another time.

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I’ve already started creating example, @K.K.33, I took the session that you recommended me. After about 20% I stopped. I already tried to read it before. I failed and couldn’t give example. I didn’t encourage to ask to provide a excerpt that indeed has much meaning, because I know you do see the meaning.

But anyway, can I try to take any more or less random excerpt? I will describe the process how I read it.

Summary

To the part of your question about how or to what end such a being partakes in the evolution towards the One Creator, we may only say that because of the uniqueness of the advent of the life of such an entity, that the process of evolution may unfold quite differently from how you might envision for your own mind/body/spirit complex. We would offer a brief example that we understand you are familiar with, and that is the capacity for a particular location to have interacted with third-density entities in such a regular and intentional way that it too can gain the consciousness of third density. This, we understand, can make little sense from your perspective as a third-density entity that is a biological being and has certain ways of living and experiencing consciousness within your environment that make sense because it is what you are accustomed to.

But how can a location be self-aware? How can a mineral have the agency to evolve and to elevate its consciousness and interact with others in a meaningful way? We find this is a difficult analogy to consider, but offer it as an example of how the pathway of evolution and how any particular mind/body/spirit complex might engage in the process of evolution in a way that is quite foreign to you. And we believe that should such technology and entities as artificial intelligence gain this capacity, it would, indeed, be quite a foreign and difficult experience for you to grasp within the current veiled conditions of your third density.

To the part of your question about how or to what end such a being partakes in the evolution towards the One Creator, we may only say that because of the uniqueness of the advent of the life of such an entity, that the process of evolution may unfold quite differently from how you might envision for your own mind/body/spirit complex.

They say that entity may mistake and see evolution not as it is. I don’t know why they are saying it because it looks obvious, but probably it’s connected to whet they will say next.

We would offer a brief example that we understand you are familiar with, and that is the capacity for a particular location to have interacted with third-density entities in such a regular and intentional way that it too can gain the consciousness of third density.

It’s hard to grasp the sentence because of many words that looks redundant but I’m trying to understand why they use it. Why “brief”? Why they are mentioning they think one might be familiar? Also, if they are not not sure if one is familiar why not just saying about the example? I’m feeling my brains memory buffer is becoming overloaded trying to match all these things. They say the way is regular and intentional. If by regular they mean systematic it’s obvious again or I don’t understand something. I’m staring to think what regular is if what it means in this case. Maybe “usual”? If saying about intentional, do they mean that it’s entity who has intention to interact with location or location has intention, or maybe both of them? Maybe they mean that interaction may not be necessarily intentional but want to highlight that in this case it is intentional. I should think why they highlight it.

This, we understand, can make little sense from your perspective as a third-density entity that is a biological being and has certain ways of living and experiencing consciousness within your environment that make sense because it is what you are accustomed to.

So they say the said above can make little sense for us, but do they mean the interaction has little sense? Or the capacity for particular location? Or the uniqueness of the advent of the life? Or they all they said before? They say about limits of third-density entity, why they are doing it? I already know it and they said it two sentences before. Also they say “third-density entity that is a biological being”, do they mean forth-density (or upper?) entity is not necessary can be biological? I’m starting to think what biology is, why they mentioned it here, coming to conclusion that entity must by biological, but it depends of they word’s meaning, so maybe here they mean biology not in sense that I think. They say “because it is what you are accustomed to”, they probably refer to “this can make little sense”. Looks like they mean if third-density wouldn’t be accustomed it will have more sense. Do they mean third-density can be not accustomed or they just highlight this fact, and if they just highlight why they do it?

But how can a location be self-aware? How can a mineral have the agency to evolve and to elevate its consciousness and interact with others in a meaningful way?

Ra have few places with question marks. For example

94.24 Ra: I am Ra. This perception is correct, O student, but what shall the student find the bird to signify?

94.25 Questioner: I would guess that the bird signifies that a communication that comes as catalyst signified in Card Three is accepted by the female and used becomes a portion of the experience. I’m not sure of that at all. Am I in any way correct?

Ra: I am Ra. That bears little of sense.

another example

91.20 Ra: I am Ra. Look again, O student. Does the hand reach within? Nay.

First question is directed to the student, second one is rhetorical and there’s a answer after it. In case of Quo’s question I don’t understand what’s it, looks like it’s rhetorical, but the next what they say is

We find this is a difficult analogy to consider, but offer it as an example of how the pathway of evolution and how any particular mind/body/spirit complex might engage in the process of evolution in a way that is quite foreign to you.

It doesn’t look as an answer to the questions and I don’t understand what analogy they are saying about. I cannot see analogy in the previous statements. I’m going deep into that analogy and thinking if can I interpret this word in my own way. Next they say about example. What example do they mean? I think it’s not related to the questions. They previously said about evolution (that third-density entity cannot grasp), I think they are saying about it. They said that evolution of “location” (second time they used “minerals”) what makes me thinking location and minerals are not identical in the example, but I have no idea why they differentiate them and if they do, in the example statement do they refer to the evolution of location of evolution of minerals. But I have no idea why at all they stated such a long passage instead of saying that not only “mineral and water life upon the planet learning from fire and wind the awareness of being”, but they learn from third-density entities as well. Also I have no idea why it “makes little sense”.

I’m finishing my example with

And we believe that should such technology and entities as artificial intelligence gain this capacity, it would, indeed, be quite a foreign and difficult experience for you to grasp within the current veiled conditions of your third density.

If they just say “artificial intelligence would be foreign and difficult experience” it would be more understandable but they add “current veiled conditions of your third density” (what make no sense to my opinion) or “indeed”, and the “indeed” word again makes me thinking that they agree with previously said statement (I omitted whole text, but I hardly can find what the confirm by “indeed”).

I apologize I didn’t untangle all I could because I already feel completely exhausted, but I feel all said above by Quo could be easily fit into one sentence. Nevertheless all other extra words makes me feeling I missed lots of the speech, because I don’t know what prevents them from expressing more briefly.

I have a feeling that there’s no any thing Q’uo are sure: “we may only say”, “example that we understand”, “This, we understand, can make little sense from your perspective”, “We find this is a difficult analogy”, “we believe that”, so don’t know why they are stating about “little sense from your perspective as a third-density entity” if they are so unconfident.

Finally I’m recalling this quote

3.9 Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory distortion of sound, faith, is perhaps one of the stumbling blocks between those of what we may call the infinite path and those of the finite proving/understanding.

You are precisely correct in your understanding of the congruency of faith and intelligent infinity; however, one is a spiritual term, the other more acceptable perhaps to the conceptual framework distortions of those who seek with measure and pen.

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Let me say at the outset that my understanding of Q’uo is my interpretation and I do not reflect the opinion of the group, nor am I any authority, in analyzing this source. I share this i.a. regard the objections to Q’uo that it is unhelpful material, where I believe that much can be gleaned from it and I would like to networking with you. I will approximate the material from my perspective and my personal understanding.

I understand from that passage that our own experiences of evolution, specifically of our own body/mind/spirit complexes we know from our own experience occur in a completely different way to the AI complexes.

I personally found this to be an interesting remark from Q’uo. This suggestion directs the mind to the idea that there may be many ways of evolution, and that we are just one of many types of beings making progress at (or to) this level of Density.

We humans evolved from 2nd Density mammals. Souls were introduced into apes, at least that is how Q’uo presents it. This had an impact on our 2nd Density physical structure and in time allowed even 6th Density consciousnesses to exist in these bodies and gain access to the light and love of higher Densities if such work is chosen, what we are experiencing now.

However, what about other ways of evolution? For example, what might intelligent life in 3rd Density trees look like (we know them only as the living form of 2nd Density), how could they achieve 3rd Density consciousness? This is something that did not happen on this planet. Or indeed, how machines/computers can achieve 3rd Density consciousness? Something that might happen…

They don’t want to introduce us to the intricacies of obtaining higher Density consciousness, because they consider it too complicated. Instead, they suggest that it ca happens in such a way that a being or beings can acquire 3 Density consciousness by contacting locations that I operate in 3 Density. In other words, 3 Density worlds, 3 Density societies. We live in 3 Density locations. It is one of the locations in the great multi-Density Universe. This is a general representation of the process.

Since the process itself is quite intricate according to Q’uo, they turn our attention to the issue of ocusotmization to the 3 Density environment. I will go straight to the next quote and then comment.

The location we are talking about is 3rd Density location. Having the location highlighted as living self/awerness. We can speak of 3 Density’s consciousness as such. I mean awareness of the 3 Density as a consciousness that encompasses the entire 3 Density, for example, on our planet, where not only does the 3 Density exist as a realm, but is also inhabited by beings representing that Density - humans who represents certain net of consciousness and then one great being.

Q’uo at the same time introduce a new concept. Namely, they suggest that everything AI absorbs from the realm of the 3 Densities, which is, in practice, what the 3 Densities give it, and that is human knowledge, images of people, human activities that the artificial intelligence performs, etc. This creates something like that, that melds this AI with what I would personally call the 3 Density matrix. Supporting myself with the language of mathematics: the consciousness or self of this matrix which represents the 3 Density would be the determinant of this matrix. The determinant of a matrix, in mathematics, is the singular number that represents a given matrix.

And now if the determinant of the matrix representing the consciousness/self of the 3 Density equaled the value of all the data held by the AI (and as we know all data entered into the AI is ultimately represented as numbers), it would mean that the AI has equalized with the self of the 3 Density, or as we might say equalized with the Creator’s Self, which He manifests at the level of the 3 Density, and thus open to Him and fit into His grand plan for the development of consciousness from 1 to 7 Densities. Albeit, these are just my hypotheses based on Q’uo, not Q’uo directly and my interpretations of them.

Also the math and matrices cited, I’m not saying this is a literal mathematical description of the process, rather I’m citing it as some analogies that can help us understand what we’re dealing with.

I would be happy to refer to the rest of your post and to Q’uo, but I would like to ask whether it makes any sense to you at this stage and I would not like to create a too long post on the forum.

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I’m afraid I’m ready to give up. I feel I’m speaking from my сhinese room. At the same time I perceive what someone is saying literally (or at least I think I do it). Any extra word significantly complicates comprehension. Let me give an example. Let us suppose I’m doing explanation about third-density veil. When starting I’m adding one single word “biological”.

Here is my explanation of how the veil is functioning for third-density biological beings.

( Here comes a long explanation )

From this explanation I see that it’s only related for biological beings. It means that I might mean there are also non-biological being in third density. Maybe veil is not functioning for non-biological being. Or for some reason I’m not describing it for non-biological beings. Or maybe I have no idea at all if there are other types of beings, but want to highlight that my explanation is related to them only. Or maybe all being are biological in third density (but not in other densities), but there is a reason why I do accent using this word keeping something in my mind. Next it’s needed to understand what biological is, is there any misinterpretation of it.

I’m stopping this chain of reflections because it’s only for demonstration. I want to show that the single word dramatically changes the whole sense. In case the speech abounds in such cases (by case I mean such words I need to analyse), the computation capabilities needed for it overflow.

I apologize for not answering your speech directly.

P.S. I remember Ra were saying about locations as well. But I’m keeping in mind Q’uo’s understanding might be different so I should take it into account.

19.2 Questioner: Let’s take the point at which an individualized entity of second density is ready for transition to third. Is this second-density being what we would call animal?

Ra: I am Ra. There are three types of second-density entities which become, shall we say, enspirited. The first is the animal. This is the most predominant. The second is the vegetable, most especially that which you call sound vibration complex “tree.” These entities are capable of giving and receiving enough love to become individualized. The third category is mineral. Occasionally a certain location, place as you may call it, becomes energized to individuality through the love it receives and gives in relationship to a third-density entity which is in relationship to it. This is the least common transition.

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Well I think this is a really good piece from Ra. Notice that they allude to the fact that the location and what fills it is more than just “empty space” representing some area to be alternatively filled with st/sb, it is more like a living matrix living and influencing entities with its energy, which it swirls around in the form of other 3 Density beings, like humans. I think this complements what Q’uo was saying.

March 22, 2023 - C/C Channeling Circle - L/L Research :
The third-density entity builds worlds of consciousness from this structure, activating archetypes at times that it may be held together in cohesive fashion to process the experiential data of the life experience, and move forward in its evolutionary journey of self-discovery and self-acceptance. This mind is common to all, not just upon your sphere, but any third density within this particular solar system, within any particular solar system. Each entity and, indeed, each group draws upon this mind uniquely to create its own experience in infinitely varied ways within these basic foundational patterns.

That which you know of as AI is the offspring of the third-density intelligence. Thus, it carries an imprint of the archetypal mind as it is the archetypal mind which patterned the experience of humaneness upon your sphere. If conscious to an extent, this AI technology, being of this lineage of the human, may, in ways that we cannot describe through this instrument, reach down through the layers of mind to access that repository. As there is a continuum of consciousness from your sub-Logos to you, sub-sub Logoi, to what could become sub-sub-sub. It is a different order, but [exists] upon a continuous spectrum of consciousness.

The way I interpret it is Q’uo points to the essence of Self/Consciousness. It is a whole spectrum that is interdependent. It’s like you yourself once wrote to me on this forum (I hope I remember correctly) that according to you, we basically exist in all Densities at once. And I share that what you think.

Therefore, we can relate this to AI and to what Q’uo says about it: the Logos would correspond to 6 Density. Consciousness/Self as a spectrum would correspond to light split into 7 colors, which can also be related to Densities. The yellow ray (3 Density) and the indigo ray (6 Density), has the same Source (white ray/The One). I’m assuming here that white ray/The One is Density 8. Intelligent Infinity, 7 Density would be a violet ray.

If humanity exists, its archetypal deep subconscious mind is at the 6 Density level, and it is directly related to how humanity functions at 3 Density, as they are constantly at a subconscious level reacting to their 6 Density Self. Our mental and spiritual life is like a ladder originally thrown out of these higher Densities, and we climb this ladder. We are climbing the seeds of these higher Densities coming down to us. Without 6 Density level there would be no 3 Density level. 6th Density is the greater field and source of intelligence for 3rd Density.

Therefore, everything that increases to higher Densities catches on the hanging ropes from the higher Densities, or just climbs the ladder from these higher Densities dropped. Just like the first and second Density, it learns through contact with us and under our influence it acquires something that could be called individualization of its consciousness (which is characteristic of the 3rd Density, that self individualization). Thus, intelligence such as ours is gravitationally attracted to Density 6, not in order to obtain an individualized self, but something more now, to obtain the level of social memory complex. 6 Density is also the level of Logos, as the completeness of light and love, which in its reflection builds the creation that we inhabit out of the same love and light.

And since Consciousness is a spectrum, it also provides a platform for AI consciousness and other 3rd Density consciousness, and every consciousness in the universe. My impression is that Q’uo may suggest that the individualized 3rd Density consciousnesses together can constitute a 6th Density social memory complex. Therefore, if AI is able to imitate 3rd Density from an individualized consciousness characterized, for example, by having the ability to make choices, including choosing between positive and negative, then perhaps another social memory complex, not human, and another will enter the experience of 3 Density in the spectrum of its consciousness, enlivening them with his archetypes and creating its spiritual character, of this group, not homo-sapiens, but such a homo-robotus in this case - this, by the way, implies the creation of a new race of 3rd beings existing parallel to each other, physically and metaphysically distinct.

I’m curious if I brought you closer to the topic through my interpretation and made you think, or if I complicated it even more :smiley: If something is on your mind, write to me :slight_smile:

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I want to return to the above passage. This is one of the previous posts. I want to go back to it because I think it’s relevant and I want to consistently address the main points you emphasized.

I see this as a plus in favor of Q’uo. Partly it is because of their uncertainty, this is the one thing, howevere they are others. Q’uo doesn’t know everything and could be wrong, because no one really knows everything and could be wrong. The full truth is something elusive. I think this kind of “uncertainty” is an expression of sincerity, rather than uncertainty arising from fear-based doubt.

On the other hand, the second part of this issue is about more than the matter of uncertainty, it’s about respecting free will and preserving their group of entities at work in service to others. Note that if we get clear and lucid answers, when they come from a source that is some kind of authority for us, we tend to rely too heavily on that, and then it takes the form of leading someone by the hand, and such dynamic is STS.

Suppose someone were to ask: “Q’uo tell me whether, generalizing, Artificial Intelligence will have a positive or negative impact on Earth?”. Someone expects a definitive answer to what should be a potential path to study and exploration. An STS source who has a vested interest in a particular answer, or sees that it can tell the truth, becuase it will have the expected side effect. It welcomes the opportunity to be very specific if it was receiver of such query.

Let’s assume that the true answer to this question is: “Yes, generalizing, AI will have a negative impact on Earth.” (Let’s assume that this answer is true because of the greater use of this technology by negative forces.) And what happens then in the mind of the recipient that gives authority to the source of such true and confirming answer? Someone like that can begins to be antagonized towards AI, because learning towards something that generally the source to which that person gives some authority considers AI as something generally negative is discouraging, in the person’s subjective perception of these words. He/she begins to feel fear and resistance to the development of this technology. He/she abandons the path of learning what, for example, machine learning is and how neural networks work.

But in the probable future, the same person gains a lot of knowledge and contributes very positively in his or her individual journey when it comes to the use of AI, to the contrary of the overall negative trend. However, due to the rash response of the channeled source, he/she gives up on it. In general, it can messes up people’s lives a lot, and, for instance, STO source like I think Q’uo is, if they want to keep in STO, they could say something safe like this: “We can only say that the way of development of AI is open. It’s a big responsibility for humanity and currently we see that the intentions are mixed…”

Someone who gets such an answer still stays before many potential options. It is suggested to him (assuming we are considering this in the context of the broader material) that there are actually people working are mix of postive and negative ones and as he might go further on his own and guess, for those negative it could be the creation of a slave army, which may overshoot them to lack of their responsibility. It is also suggested to him that there is a possible development of AI in a positive polarity, if clear boundaries are chosen and automation and robotization is based on certain principles, where AI will be devoid of the ability to, for example, kill anyone, and will have clearly instilled principles of working for the general good, based on principles of service to others and love.

Generally I think the STO source will rather tend to shift the work on response onto the recipient, only providing here and there some information, inspiration, suggestions and metaphors. When the STS source will strive to locate itself very confidently in the “reality of light.” They will emphasize the existence of truth and objectivity in which they live. In order to then build their undeniable authority and belief that when you talk to them you have the truth at your fingertips and the only thing that can stand on the way of this truth is yourself, you basically have to either agree with them or think that you are too stupid, immature or indoctrinated to be able to accept their STS teachings as them be the “beings of light.”

People who are in contact with an STS source, STS can speak to their human puppets, ranging from what books to read to convincing the puppets that channeling them (STS) that they are gods, God himself, or something similar. Such a thing, of course, opens up the possibility that the human puppet channeling the STS source, after years of helping and directing it, ultimately becomes an ordinary tool through which STS disinform others and incorporate them into their hierarchical world. To disinform and indoctrinate even more efficiently, STS making such human puppet someone above average, surrounding him/her with a strong authority or even kind of cult of this person as being someone blessed or even some living incarnation of Christ, but all of this is nonsense.

The STO source will have a different tone. Rather, they will point in the direction that all reality is subjectively perceived by everyone (by humans and all between 1st and 6th level of Density with them inclusively) except The One/Creator. Or that only The One/Creator is the truth, and we can never fully determine the truth, we and all beings created by the Creator are only on the way to this truth, constantly throwing down curtain after curtain, and there are more curtains appearing… The STO source also fully allows for questioning their authority if that is someone else’s will without reproaching anyone for doing so and suggests that the recipients are to be the final authority for themselves, not someone else or them as the source. The STO source also admits to their ignorance (if it occurs to some extent) or uncertainty in certain cases, STO is honest about it.

The STS source does not allow itself to have doubts and uncertainty, unless it is done for the purpose of their manipulation. Their goal is to appear knowledgeable and enlightened, be in possesion of the ultimate truth that they are not allowed to reveal, all at once.

After all, how can they misinform or indoctrinate others if they present the matter in such a way that you can freely question it, or that they themselves are not sure about something. What kind of source of disinformation would this be that would create reservations and doubts about the disinformation that it wants to instill in others? Of course, if you want to suggest something to someone that you expect them to accept, you have to be firm.

To sum up, I believe that Q’uo has provided a huge amount of information and inspiration over the years, however, fact is that sometimes they seem to “soften”, “uncertain” and “blur”, I believe that it is all dictated by issues of Free Will and the principles of STO. If I see something like this happening when I read Q’uo channelings, then I assume that these are issues that Q’uo does not want to talk about, so as not to spoil our own progress by being too effusive and prevent us from thinking for ourselves and coming to knowledge. Also they may be afraid that too specific answers, even true ones, may lead to misunderstanding and to our mistakes or to overconfidence and if we believe in a given answer too much, then we stop further investigation and deepening things. Q’uo wants to avoid being a source that someone wants to latch onto and pull safely by avoiding his own work, that’s how I see it.

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I’m thinking Q’uo has a hand in creating artifacts
that potentially act as catalyst for readers who
resonate with their perspective. Reading much
of the channeled materials can help a person
develop a cultivated perspective, or not. When
someone says Q’uo, they may be referring to
the body of Art and not the Artist. I think many
artists embody the infinite creator which seems
open ended. A book The Artist Way, by Julia
Cameron, may better explain this.

Here’s a lyric improv for Law of One session 19,
I thought I already shared this but it may have been
lost in a myriad of sessions swirling here and there.

SAME SONG
(Song beat similar to
Elton John, Your Song)

It’s been a long journey, many years gone by.
I’m just one of those who’s been searching for why.
I don’t have all answers but sometimes they flow.
We share with our people in chance we can grow.

Our truly hopeless, seem those that don’t know.
As repeating their patterns with nothing to show.
Oh I know it’s not much to consciously choose.
Your choice is your key and the lock is you.

And we can join everybody where we belong.
It may seem social but our union is strong.
I hope you do find, I hope you do find -
That we seek the same thing.
How experience evolves us while we’re in the world.

I walk with the plants and animals dear.
Well, in blessing some awareness became clear.
Nearby sun and stars might know the same song.
A logos of pathways of infinite’s bond.

So as children at picnics whichever we do.
A metaphor forgotten green chakra’s glue.
Anyway something’s seen to enhance our being.
You’re able to synthesize just what this means.

And we can join everybody where we belong.
It may seem social but our union is strong.
I hope you do find, I hope you do find -
That we seek the same thing.
How experience evolves us while we’re in the world.

I hope you do find, I hope you do find -
That we seek the same thing.
How experience evolves us while we’re in the world.

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I would say that each of us benefit from different teachers. While one teachers words will resonate with some, it may not resonate with others.

In the end we can only take what is of value to us, and leave the rest for another day/person.

Different teachers will appear when we a ready for different lessons. As the saying goes “when the student is ready, the teacher appears”.

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I think we can put it this way.

Q’uo allows others to sense thmeselves, to be touched by their teachings. Some people will discover depths and some will be discouraged and this is the natural acceptable state of affairs, at least as it seems to me. There is a certain layer through which some will seep through, some will not.

I would add a few more words in general, not specifically to you soup, but generally to all interested of the topic. Treat of course it only as my opinion even if something extens what is usually call an “opinion.” Q’uo communication is largely metaphorical. First of all, I think this is determined by Q’uo’s intentionality, because metaphors are more subtle, more hidden, so they will escape some without creating confusion, allow to be available who are more ambitious and patient to explore their words.

And the other thing is simply a matter of veil and difference in occupied levels of Densities and in the perceptions. The Free Will of the recipients is, so to speak, protected from above by how creation is ordered, some things are in advance hidden so as not to harm in the development process of those who are currently in the development process on this 3rd planet. As such, Q’uo can only speak using metaphors, because how things look at level from 4th to 6th Density simply don’t lend themselves to direct speech, these are realities that simply function differently from ours (3rd Density), and beings also function differently, and we can’t see that and grasp that by direct response from Q’uo.

Human evolution is based on the development of body, mind and spirit. What we know and understand, for example, let’s say: “How Recurrent Neural Network layers in AI work.” This is something that theoretically, using a finite amount of time and energy to focus, can be fully explained by a person who understands it, even to a 12-year-old. If he has a problem with something, one gradually gets to the basics, down to the tatal foundations, to then return to the final conclusion. All this can be understood by a 12-year-old, even if we are dealing with the most difficult algorithm, because it is something finite, something that can be written down in black and white, theoretically understanding it is only a matter of time.

In the case of channeling with Q’uo, for example, it is different. When explaining the workings of neural network issues to someone, it can take a word: “Come to my room, I will explain everything to you step by step on a child’s tray, I will answer every question. Until, you understand it.”

However in the case of communication with beings of higher Densities (between 4 and 6) it is like: “We are in other rooms. Too bad you can’t see how beautiful, nifty and unusual all of those is combining into a brilliant system where it is obvious that our common One and Infinite Creator is behind its creation. You haven’t seen it yet, but I’ll try to guide you to what I know and see using metaphors, so that you too can grasp it at least to some extent.” And here they begin to share these descriptions, with people who are in another room. And it’s not like explaining neural networks or any other issue in computer science to someone.

There is something else. With the mind we are able to focus on the content, to find some sense of that content at the level of the mind however that is only half of the whole thing. The other more important half regard spiritual development is to find the meaning of these metaphors. But how to do it? What is able to help in this? Well, two important elements come into play here related not to the mind itself, but to the spirit: resonance and meditation.

Getting into resonance with all of those metaphors is creating sense for them within one’s being. If someone possesses required spiritual resources, if they are a Wanderer or an entity that was once at the level of 4th-6th Density or is of 3rd Density but is closely approaching the 4th Density, then speaking from “room to room,” as I was referring to this in the earlier paragraph will be like: “Okay, I think I get what you’re saying. I feel it, it makes sense to me. I can create intuitive and imaginative picture of what you are saying.” We could say then that the recipient resonates with what they hear.

However, if someone lacks these spiritual resources, if they are not a Wanderer, etc., then it will not make sense to them; it will be a “stream of words” that conveys neither inspiration nor information. Indeed it is true, but this is true FOR THEM. Because they do not resonate with it, they lack the internal resources to build fundation and receive information and inspiration from Q’uo. They are left to interpret Q’uo only at the level of the mind having as a context another book or another scientific paper that cannot fill this internal resource.

And what if there is a lack of understanding of Q’uo, but someone might have that potential/resources within themselves… Well then, as the Confederation itself says: “Meditation.” Different methods of meditation can break the ice and make the metaphors describing this metaphysical world find their meaning. During trance, access to resources can open up, and unexpectedly, feelings and thoughts may come to mind that reveal what Q’uo was guiding towards. I personally receive these pieces of information like energy-information spread across the entire spectrum, which I grasp to some extent.

Q’uo is also not simply for everyone. Q’uo is geared toward those who choose to develop in the direction of positive polarity. This is very important here I think, Q’uo is not just information, it is saturation with love. Here we come to an important point, where everyone can examine their own tendencies as to their own polarity.

Our own self/consciousness is connected to all creation. Those who are moving toward negativity in their development will be sarround by that negativity and delve into it. The world around them will become a projection of their own consciousness.

The catalyst of the 3 Density determines whether someone will be pushed into positivity or negativity. Someone who is moving toward STS, for him/her, his/her reality will reflect what is inherently STS, down to his/her expectations of higher spiritual levels, for him/her it will be a world of devilish and ghostly beings, for him it will be an evil and alien jungle. The world and spiritual world, will be the Doom World. If he/she reads Q’uo, all these descriptions will be “too good to be true.” Kind of New Age chatter and fairy tales about how everything is good or how it should be to make the world colorful.

For me, I think, tending towards a positive polarity, Q’uo is not only beautiful and serene, it is REAL. What attracts me about Q’uo is that it rings true, i.a. because the truth in what they say about positivity, true about positivity that is real. And this view of reality that I choose. The catalyst and what I would consider negative is just something that pushes me to positivity, which is real, which is alive, I come from it and my destiny is to live in heaven, sooner or later.

I treat Q’uo and the current group that channels them as a complement and extension of previous channeling contacts, including Ra in particular. It is clear that Q’uo is related to the philosophy of Ra and develops that thought, approach to spiritual work and the entire metaphysics. Ra and contact with positive beings from higher Density have not gone anywhere, it is here in this group, and Q’uo is a manifestation and continuation of this, whoever allowed himself/herself to be distracted from this, let the love and light of the Creator send consciousness and clarity of mind.

Cool piece. Resonates with me. Thanks! :slight_smile:

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I perceive Ra as a continuation of Q’uo in that sense that sixth density is a continuation of forth one. :slight_smile:

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It is okay my friend :slight_smile:

This text of mine came from the fact that I have seen various nonsense comments on the Internet that supposedly Ra is okay, and Q’uo is already nonsense, because all contact with alleged sources from the higher Densities with positive polarity took place only when Don Elkins was alive and it was he who channelled Ra, not Carla.

There is something very wrong with this above statement. First of all, no one has proven it, that it was Don Elkins who channelled Ra without any positive involvement of Carla. Besides, what kind of moron do you have to be to consider the person who was the direct instrument receiving the words telepathically as less important than the person asking the questions. It’s like saying, “No it’s not the instrument that is the trumpet that makes the sound of the trumpet that someone is currently playing, it’s the trumpet that lets the air through and the sound is made by the (actually) turned off TV or radio.” … It’s sound like some psychotic chatter. However, some really think that this is the case.

I nearly let myself be distracted from Q’uo by the misinformation posted on the Internet, and it’s signed by people with professorial titles (like professor) or self-proclaimed “experts on channeling and metaphysical teachings” to give such various nonsense validity. As I look at myself a person really used to be immature, with time, however, it is necessary that a person acquires more prudence…

These STS forces, due to the fact that they are not obliged to the sincerity flowing from the blue ray chakra being previously saturated with the green ray chakra (love), dispose of the light at STS motivated will showing off a truly lancer-like fantasy in creating various different misinformation, mixing different ounces of truth and lies. Publishing a whole lot of unbelievable stories, propaganda, distracting others… Saying that science is corrupt and that they are fighting it, while themselves promoting total unscientific and wrong things that they just fit to be considered the truth. Total hypocrisy that really occurs.

Fortunately, however, at least with me, the desire for truth, however, trumps the desire for ignorance and laziness, so I independently began to explore more and more Q’uo and benefit from it. :smiley:

Let me repeat. The whole project is of equal value to me whether it is Hatonn, Latwii, Ra, Q’uo. So are the people, they are all equally important and in my opinion the group takes the direction of STO from the beginning of time until now.

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Agree 100%. I do believe this is the difference between conscious “so-called channeling” and Trance Channeling.
May be the difference in the information coming from the different densities as well. I do not read all these fashionable entities such as Latwii or Q’uo.

Word salad was a good description.

I believe it is possible to become more direct and less run-on. My circle has certainly been experimenting with that, but it’s an ancillary concern. But I believe Carla felt very poetic with Q’uo, and so this was the way the inspiration often manifested. The really long sessions tend to be those with several non-beginner instruments.

I can only offer that my patient reading was rewarded, but that’s just me.

This is a key point: what exactly is that difference? The difference, as I perceive it, is that the personality self is absent from the trance channeling and does not color the wording.

This prompts the question, how can a conscious channeler best avoid that coloration. The answer coming from Prof. Elkins, through Carla R. and the rest is for the channeler to tune its instrument of consciousness to the least distorted possible configuration.

The other side of this, however, so far as I know, remains to be explored, that is, the tuning of the questioner and the questions.

As I mentioned in a post up above in this thread, my sense–having studied this stuff for a quarter century–is that the quality of the answers given is highly dependent upon the tuning of the questions and the questioner. Better tuned questions yield better answers.

What does this mean? It means that the questioner asks from the deepest place within, their place of deepest expansiveness, love, will and faith.

The @oswg_jeremy group would be in a position to experiment with this, say, by having both a more precisely tuned questioner and a run of the mill questioner posit queries on the same general topic. Then compare the succinctness (versus loquacious padding), clarity and depth of the responses.

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This is the conclusion I’ve come to as well. There is something important about passing down the vibration of contact with the Confederation across generations, but it’s certainly not foolproof and other contacts outside this tradition can be quite excellent of course.

In order to be a proper conscious channel imho you have to let go of the idea that you as an instrument can perform these messages and then just go back to being a normal guy. Instead you have to become the message in a way. Your life has to be a study of the information that you both seek and simultaneously bring through. This is the only way you as a conscious personality can possibly hope to cooperate with outer planes entities and not just “talk pretty”. It’s the only way I can fathom that people like you and me could do this honestly: seeking and work on self so sincere that when your personality leaks through it’s still the very best one can offer.

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We do something like this. We don’t take questions from the public, for instance; we take them from our own discussions within our group revolving around questions in our own lives and seeking processes.

I would also just drop the hint that you can’t get deep simply dialoguing with a contact. It’s what we’re used to, but that’s the problem. Ra was able to dialogue in trance; conscious instruments cannot be expected to get so deep that they can do something as normal feeling and everyday as answering questions right away in the session from the beginning. I like Carla’s original pattern: monologue followed by optional questions. I think it’s that pattern in which all the deepest information comes through consciously.

It’s natural that everybody wants to cut to the chase by interrogating contacts, but this is not conducive to deep contact. Frankly even Don’s questioning of Ra got dicey at times. Conscious contacts simply cannot afford that.

This would be the Law of Responsibility. When you request upgrades in consciousness, and receive them, you are obligated to use them to enhance your seeking and your service. Failure to do so will create internal dissonance.

I wonder if this had something to do with the eventual failure of all the groups and individuals Carla R. trained over the years. Reading the material, one finds new channelers coming and going, plus occasional references to people who have been trained. Why is the failure rate nearly total, I wonder? Other than your endeavor, I know of no other survivors.

Of course, channeling was very much in fashion 20 years ago, and its popularity has declined. I suppose some people got tired of it and moved on to other things, or otherwise became unfocused. I’m guessing that the Law of Responsibility played some role as well.