The benford's law (how to check for validity of anything using the Law of One)

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Are you suggesting we just don’t take all of it on blind faith? :exploding_head: Just kidding.

We’re human, we’re fallible. I don’t think we could ever know if the group is 100%. My first question would be how much transparency is given to seekers regarding these channeling sessions? Are we allowed to submit questions? Are we allowed to sit in or at least view preparations, or is it all done behind closed doors?

I once was part of something that was good, and I believe for the most part has/had good intentions. But there was a serious lack of transparency, things were not adding up, so several of us parted ways.

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While an interesting idea the results would be effectively meaningless. Whether or not the channeled medium language follows a Benford distribution has no interpretable meaning without a much larger set of channeled works to also test against which must also include data samples of each channeler when not in a channeling state. For single case studies Benford’s law is effectively meaningless since at the individual level there are quirks or contexts in which it makes sense for that data set to NOT follow a Benford distribution. In fact I’d be surprised if the channeled work did follow a Benford distribution for English language. Just read any random session and you can immediately see the structure and flow of the channeled language is very different from typical English language usage.

But again whether or not the channeled material follows Benford’s law is itself without meaning.

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Yes, the things you listed above have been asked by many, many people. Even from the old bring4th forums.
But often they are met with dismissing attitude, or just no care for the queries being asked.

I have posted a thread that suggest taking questions from others on the forums, and also have questioned some transparency within the work.

The irony behind it is that we are told to use our discernment, but when we do, and ask questions… This is viewed as disruption or not “aligned.”

With that being said though,
With the “clues” that are left behind by Don, Ra, and Tobey Wheelock…

I can’t help to see that there are very high probability that there are mixed information within the research.

It is somewhat a needle in a haystack to find, and when quantified, it does makes it harder. Not sure if that was intentional.

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I appreciate your dismissing concern,
everything you listed here is actually very meaningful in a scientific research fashion.

This is not a “single” case. The comprised counts are from all 106 sessions. Plus some of the 1500+ sessions.

I believe you have this mixed up with my other thread with EEG. Where it’s purpose was to “examine” the channeler.

The law of first letter actually doesn’t make English language as exclusive. If you read the article, the researchers have used German, and other languages to test their hypothesis.

Not at all, there are greetings, and farewells within all channeled materials. The language follows basic grammar and it does have normal flow of communication style within the English language.

Sometime, the entities would even joke and use the structure within the English language to convey complex ideas.

The only things that stand out to be somewhat different is the spiritual description and religious expression that is similar to saying like “Shalom” etc.

Hey bigToeofLove,

I appreciate you commenting on the two threads I have made about examining the materials of the law of one.

But it seems that you have a very strong intention to dismiss any attempt to let people questions or examine the materials. Is there a reason behind this?

The reason this question is because even though you uses your educational background to dismiss my effort, they are not “complete” either in their own proposal.

I refuted the many dismissal claims you have made with academic articles and resources that says otherwise.

I understand that you are a fan of the materials and perhaps with the organization, but the purpose of this thread is to explore and examine possibilities in false materials. Allowing a form of “check and balances” in the nature of information that are being disseminated.

I would love to hear “alternative” methods or ideas that could contribute to the OP, if you have any.
But your consistent resistant for others to explore their options is appreciated as well.

Since this is a free world, and we both respect each others’ freewill (I assume)

Thanks for contributing, and I respect your perspective.

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Right, and I don’t think we should either. There is something in the contrast of looking between what is “right,” or “wrong” could bring similar effect as a “witch hunt.”

It does make me think about the word “pure” a bit more, and I feel it is wrong for me to use that in previous comment.

The gist of the thread is to compare discrepancies within the channeled materials. If there are inconsistency, then it would bring some attention to seekers to exercise their discernment if they so wish.

But looking for “perfection,” “purity” or anything “100%” doesn’t feel right to me. It seems to “separate” and divide creation when we start defining things as “black/white.”

So that is a good point there PJNunya! I agree with you on that, both you and I, and others really just want to see transparency that brings both polarities to the surface.

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When you say ‘compare discrepancies’, do you mean like how Jim, Carla, and Don, when they asked, were told they were Wanderers but when (Gary?) asked, was told that would infringe freewill, or something to that effect? It makes me wonder why. And its a rabbit-hole of sorts, because just this specific instance could have a variety of possibilities for why one group was answered and the other not.

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Strangely I found some details I thought might be interesting, as blind faith might not be necessary.

I found a very useful feature on the Word Counter program. It actually breaks everything down into useful little categories.

I used Session 34 from March 4, 1981 as an example:

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Looks like they break the material down into things like, unique words, pages, reading level, etc.

Somewhere in the thread I saw something about page numbers being useful but I can’t recall.

Maybe it would be considered helpful to know these things.

Take what resonates and leave the rest, right? :slight_smile:

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Indeed… Glad to see you’re still around. I have to admit, I don’t have time to get into deep research like y’all are doing, so am grateful for it. I just try to note when I see a discrepancy or something seems out of whack.

My follow-up thought would be, let’s say we find that Benford’s Law shows (some) transcripts to be deliberate (is that the right word?). Does it mean they’ve been manipulated/hijacked, or just that due to the nature of material, they cannot be confirmed random?

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Well thank you so saying so, that means everything to me considering how rough it’s been around here lately. It’s nice to know there are people out there that still have a beautiful heart. :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

Regarding the other part, the OP will have to updated you because I’m really unsure as to what they are requiring from all of this. :face_with_head_bandage:

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Many more developed souls than myself have all said ultimately intuition is the key to discerning divine truth from falsehood. External tools, whether brain imagining devices or statistical techniques, are ultimately just external tools. To use them correctly and to get meaningful results also requires a full and proper understanding which sometimes takes a lot of time to develop. I’ve spent many years using statistical tools and brain imaging equipment so I though perhaps my humble opinion that those tools won’t provide you with the answers you’re looking for might be taken into consideration. Feel free to disregard my advice. I’d humbly suggest you use your intuition and see where that leads. I have literally zero regard whether you end up agreeing with me or not that’s entirely your journey to follow. All the best!

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Yes, so that would be a “contradiction.” The transcript revolves around a lot of “polarities” talk and how negative entities often get into transmitted materials.

So when this happens, there should be some sort of indicator that would show up. Whether if it is a contradiction, or something that completely seems “off” like timing, and the details in one session not matching with others.

These would be discrepancy, either it is coming from the “outside” (meaning the message itself got intercepted) OR the receiver (channeler) is having trouble and mixing up their own stuff into the materials.

We can’t take out the variable of the channeler could be converted to sts without knowing.

(remember the story about the couples of wanderer that was assisting Ra’s planet and ended up into STS density without realizing it at first?)

So incarnated beings in 3rd could definitely risk the possibility of “switching” polarities while they are incarnated in 3rd.

These variables are hard to check, but I don’t think it’s healthy to also say that EVERYONE is on the “good” side, just because they can channel, or in the organization.

Benford’s law is a tool to determine if there were manipulation in the information. So technically, yes. If the information are “manipulated/hijacked” then something will “pop up” or the curve wouldn’t be “organic.”

This is under the observation that Benford’s law shows a consistency in natural progression of almost anything in creation. Like the videos described above, you take samples of sizes of a rivers, it will obey to the BL. You take the human population, it obeys the BL, etc. etc.

So when we look at “Ra,” or the other “entities,” they are “supposedly” very close to the “core” of unity or the nature of creation/light… Why wouldn’t their “essence” be anything else other than “unity” or “oneness.”

“The path that is not” which is the left hand path, or the “sts” path. Is a path that does not come into the oneness, and want to become two, or more, or “other-than.” This brings manipulation, disruption, and negative essence.

So both polarities actually do have their own “characteristics” or “flavor.” The remnant of this, or “evidences” are usually apparent if we know how to look for it.

This is one of those things that often dispel “beliefs” and speculation enough so people can have a “clue” to pair with their intuition.

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Could you name a few? Nikola Tesla comes to mind, and he didn’t just used his “intuition,” his famous “energy, frequency and vibration” were based in science.

Don and Carla had trouble discerning divine truth from falsehood. (Remember when Don thought the bird that landed in front of him was Ra’s? But then Ra later said it wasn’t.)

Moses couldn’t discern it either, and there’s a few more developed souls or higher entities that had trouble in discernment.

It led me here, and that is why we want to follow this intuition to examine what we felt was off.

Isn’t it ironic that you could tell me that all of this is for nothing, but our intuition is telling us otherwise?
So do you trust my intuition? or should we all look into something that seems off, and ask the hard questions?

… wait… so why? in the first place? Why put out credential to sway another’s opinion if you didn’t care?

If you had something to contribute then that would have made sense,

But you come empty handed to refute, then saying that you don’t actually care to begin with…

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Personally, I don’t think you should be passive aggressive and subtly divide members with that statement above.

A lot of people here have tried to talk to you and help you. So even if you don’t agree or dislike them, that doesn’t mean you should say that they don’t have “beautiful hearts” and favored PJNunya just because they simply were glad to see you around. (You were telling everyone that you were leaving in the first place)

Again, I appreciate the help you were giving from before, but after seeing the altercation you are having with other members on here.

I am more weary about how you are trying to grab people to be on your side and fighting with others.

Please don’t do that on this thread

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Balance, right? I just don’t always know what that is. Something else that’s been on my mind regarding all this…

I read some transcript of an interview, I think it was called the Hidden Hand, or something like that. Taking it at face value, the entity being interviewed basically said they are part of the Social Memory Complex we know as Lucifer, and that due to their ‘mission’ (for lack of a better word), the effects of the Veil are much thinner on their incarnations. Their job here (if I understood the interview) is to drive STS to help us get to the next density. The Ra Material got brought up in the interview, and they said it was 80-90% correct (some high number). If I also recall, they hinted that they were from Venus.

All of that got me wondering about it. I do believe most of what we got regarding the LoO is true. But as someone else here said, the best way to tell a lie is wrap it in truth. If you need a link to that interview (the Hidden Hand), I think I have it somewhere in my email. If most of that interview is true, it is a good deal of info on what consciously choosing STS might be about. I don’t know how helpful it would be in deciding validity, but I figure more info can never hurt.

For what its worth, I don’t think FunkyFroggy is trying to divide. I empathize with what it feels like when something/someone you either love/respect/have fondness for does something you feel is betrayal. As an outsider looking in, FF had posted some topics (revolving around trusting this stuff, I recall) that were being ignored (it did not escape my attention that there are some here that rather quickly will come in with advice, but this time, not so much). Then, after being ignored, it seemed to culminate with the privacy thing. I think all parties involved seem to have cooled off.

My apologies, this is you’re thread (not trying to derail), but I felt explanation was involved for my actions. Rest assured, I love all here, even those I disagree with. This is a blessing that we have the opportunity to even question this stuff. History shows that is not always the case (being allowed to question).

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PJNunya, thanks for sharing your thoughts on different aspects,

I have read the “hidden hand” interview and do remember what they talked about.

I remember them talking about how “they” actually don’t want to be here, and after they are done here, they will have to go to a place to “re-pay” the karma of suffering they have caused.

It is an insightful read that explain some things about sts path.

In the contrary, there were discussion in the old bring4th about the hidden hand materials.
And some concluded that it actually could be a piece of writing coming from a fan of the law of one. Kinda like a “spin-off.”

The core of the message is to bring unity and understanding to both polarities. Etc.

There were other points that was brought up about that reading as well. Where the attitude and demeanor seems to be not very “sts” like. As in, it is not “hidden,” and there was a care for other-selves.

I wouldn’t link that article here, or maybe run it by Patrick first.

I personally don’t think that is true sts materials, but it “could be” and that would cause problem to the policy we have on this forums.

The info though, is ironically not very hidden. I’ve found it through googling in the past, and have discuss in-depth about it with others. Thanks for bringing it to the table though.

This also mean that in all lies, there are some truth, and in all truths, there are lies.

It is not to point towards the abstract of right and left. It is to understand that creation is “one.”

All is encompassing.

The reason I said that is because they used favoritism with you and made an assumption that others does not have “beautiful hearts.”

I’ve looked at other threads that funky have interacted in, and I do see there are conflicts between everyone.

I am not responsible for other threads since they are not my creation, but what I can do here is to mitigate any behaviors that leads to conflicts that is happening in other threads.

To me, each thread is a kindle and a fire that is burning and maintained by the firekeepers (The post creator)
Now others can come and sit by the fire, and perhaps even contribute.
This is welcomed, but if there are other motives behind it that create strife, or they are bringing issues from other threads over, then I have to speak up about it.

(I am not dismissing the issues Funky is having with the forums and perhaps others, but that shouldn’t warrant for the passive judgement about other members for not having “beautiful hearts” here in this thread.)

I am doing my best to set healthy boundaries, so people don’t step over the fire and treat this as their own place to litter personal strife.

I don’t feel you did anything wrong, your previous comment wasn’t polarizing in a sense you are taking sides, or starting issues.

we know that funky made posts about leaving the forums, so a welcoming surprise to see them still around is nothing to apologize about. I honestly would have said the same thing.

Absolutely, that is the beauty and joy of such a space.

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I came to similar conclusions as yours, meaning I would have either asked a forum moderator or done just words/said PM me/etc, not a direct link.

Also, as you pointed out, it didn’t escape my notice that the dialogue became, well, less hostile. The one being interviewed even mentioned this (whether to cover tracks that it was all BS or not, I have no idea). Someone posted an excerpt that true STS aren’t going to look like it at all, that they’ll be presenting as positive.

And that brings us back to the need for transparency/checks for validity/whatever you want to call it regarding this material. There are so many that hunger for something other than what we perceive that they can be easily led. While I totally agree and understand that I should take only what resonates, this is the information age. If I was STS oriented, I totally get saying buyer beware, not my fault if I screw you up. Freewill and all. Looking at it from a STO orientation, I feel like I would be obligated to provide some assurances that this stuff was trustworthy.

A couple decades ago, one would really have to have been seeking to find this material, as it was only in books. Now, anyone with access to the internet has access to it. I hope I don’t come across like I’m saying anyone should do this or do that, but it would go a long way in building trust to use some of the stuff suggested here and in other threads.

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I used the two digit system to show that under that system, “1” shows even more compared with ten digit system. Just for people to understand benford law easier. Under any digit system, “1” will show more than other numbers since we start counting with “1”.

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I hear you on that,

Even in our Earthly medical practice, etc. etc. ethics and morals are always the priority in patient care for the most part.

At the same time, I do understand the other side of the argument as well. Let say that you are a very developed soul, and you literally are inches away from “peacing” out of this octave. The internal compass and discernment would be very accurate. Since knowing oneself, is essentially the key to resolve all paradoxes and “densities.”

But individuals like that… Rarely would need to walk on this plane, even Jesus was only 4th-5th entity. At that level, there wouldn’t be a reason to incarnate into 3rd.

Everything would just seem like a “you made this? I made this” meme at that point.

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So it wouldn’t be realistic to say that “majority” of incarnated folks here would have that level of spiritual discernment.

We can also see the inherent danger that comes with it for those involved.
Things like suicide, mental health, physical health, etc. etc. seemingly are affected.

As helpful and great something is, the responsibility of such would be at the same level. “Great power come with great responsibility” (Great knowledge in this case)

I’ll be honest, the suggestion like EEG and benford’s could very likely not be the “best” tools. But having NO attempts at all to “check and balance” or to validate/test things out seems very counter-intuitive.

(You know, if someone hand you a drink… You would naturally sniff it, or look at it… might even taste it to see what it is before consuming it.)

No one is going to be like … “ok, I’ll just down this stuff without thinking twice.”

ESPECIALLY if the person handing it to you is like… “Yea… use your discernment, because… you know… bad joo joo, so swallow what resonate and spit out what doesn’t”

I be like… “what” LOL

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That’s correct, thanks for explaining that coopers :sun_with_face: