Question about the future and time line

I read channeling articles and one of them is people asked about the future of AI.
The answer from Quo is they don’t know because there are still many choices to be made by human.

Then I thought about it. Quo/Hatonn said in their channeling that they are not limited by space and time, they can move to anywhere and anytime. But based on their answer to the question about AI, it seems that they cannot move to the future time line. Or they can but they don’t want to tell human the future result?

In addition, regarding why infinite creator created time/space and all types of beings, I think the answer from Q’uo is that the creator wants to know himself. That’s why he gives all beings freewill and let them grow per their own desire and reflect the result back to the creator.

So there comes the same question: if the creator created time, he of course can move from one point to anther and he can see the “future”. If the creator can see the future, he don’t need to feedback from the development of the beings.
I am so confused with this right now. I wrote this down very fast and might miss something.

Any help?

My take is that they can see (move to) all the different futures and they cannot tell which one the reader will find themselves in before the choices are made by each individual reader. We each create our own Universe.

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Perhaps the Hermetic system’s ‘as above, so below; as below, so above’ way of thinking can help us make some inferences and analogies. Imagine one of your memories. For the present self, that memory has already happened, its content is fully known, and the experience has already been acquired. But for the self within that memory, the future is unknown; they have to experience it as if they were living through it at that time, based on the circumstances they knew then.

Here arises an advanced question: How do we define existence? How do we exist? Were we created by the Creator through thought? Can we understand ourselves as one of the Creator’s countless thoughts or memories? Just as our past selves are part of our current memory? Is this a model similar to memories nested within memories? Could this explain why it is said that past, present, and future all exist simultaneously?

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In my understanding, at the level of the One Creator (7th density), everything that exists, along with all possible events, is infinitely contemplated. These possibilities are not necessarily experienced but are present as part of the plan. The higher the densities, I presume, the fuller, wider, and clearer the vision of all possibilities becomes.

From what I recall, Q’uo provides quite specific insights regarding the future of AI, but they do not address all aspects or lay everything out explicitly. This measured approach aligns with their role as a source of wisdom shared with the public. They aim to avoid promoting belief in a fixed future or inciting fear.

Unfortunately, the larger the potential audience, the greater the need to exercise caution with words to avoid violating the Law of Free Will. In my view, Q’uo and other sources aligned with Service to Others must carefully craft their messages, steering discussions toward positivity and neutrality. This approach prevents them from making ominous predictions or directly guiding people through turmoil in a way that might compromise individual free will.

While we’re on the subject of AI, I’d like to share a message I recently sent to a friend with whom I often discuss such topics. I’ve edited this email slightly to respect our privacy, but I’ll share with you what I wrote to him.

I don’t consider myself an authority on this subject, so I don’t believe my words carry the kind of weight that could become a burden. This allows me to speak with more freedom than Q’uo might permit themselves, though I want to make it clear that this is just my opinion, and I could be entirely wrong.

This is the e-mail:
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You’ve touched on an important topic, and I’ll take the opportunity to delve deeper into it and expand upon it (while trying not to make it too lengthy). I’ll also add some updates and reference a few related ideas.

Let me start with something I remember reading in one of Q’uo’s sessions. A question was asked about the level of polarization among people. They explained that the “starting level” for most individuals as they begin to awaken and learn their first lessons—essentially the point where we all started on this planet—is roughly 75% negative polarization and 25% positive polarization. As people grow and evolve, or not, these ratios can shift or remain more or less the same.

Based on my intuition—these aren’t precise calculations but rather observations of people’s behavior and societal trends as gathered from various sources—it seems that the majority of humanity polarizes somewhere around 85% negatively and 15% positively. It’s worth noting that to achieve 4D STS, a polarization of 95% negative and 5% positive is required, while for 4D STO, the threshold is 50% positive and 50% negative.

This means we’re facing the following situation:

  • Very few people, let’s say 2% of Earth’s population, have reached the minimum 95% negative polarization needed to move into 4D STS.
  • A large majority, let’s say around 78%, polarize approximately 85% negatively and 15% positively (not enough to move to the 4D STS, they are candidates to repeat third density). This group comprises those heavily influenced and controlled by the mainstream.
  • A small but significantly larger portion compared to the negatively polarized group consists of individuals who polarize positively and have reached at least 50% positive polarization, making them capable of transitioning to 4D STO. Let’s estimate this at about 20% of Earth’s population.

So, we have approximately 20% of the population leaning toward positivity and 80% toward negativity. It’s also important to remember that those who lean “more positively” may only barely exceed the 50% threshold and still harbor significant negativity, perhaps never dropping below 40%. So they are 60% positive and 40% negative. We could be like that, even with our effort to achieve positiveness, we still generate negativity in the 40% of our thoughts and actions, we are not angels.

Adding to this, a third-density planet—a yellow-ray planet—while enabling polarization in both directions, inherently has a more negative orientation compared to a green-ray planet. The future Earth, in its full form, will be a green-ray planet, supporting positive polarization and favoring STO progression more than STS. Earth in the 3rd density is the planet of choice, yes, however it is a warm colored yellow negative planet in contrast to the cold colored green positive planet (4th density Earth).

To complicate matters further, the Orion Empire has a fundamentally different approach than the Confederation. Orion aims to exploit the Earth to its maximum potential, both in terms of humanity and the planet itself, within third density. This overarching dynamic creates a grim reality, contrasting sharply with what a healthy and harmonious society focused on mutual kindness and alignment with the Creator could look like.

This brings us to another layer of the issue: as the saying goes, “every stick has two ends.” The overlap between 3D and 4D creates opportunities both for ascending to 4D and for higher-density influences to manifest within 3D. STO entities are generally modest and subtle, offering support when freely chosen and requested. Meanwhile, STS entities, as Ra puts it, “conquer.” With the opening of this window between densities, those dependent on materialism and control have actively entered a phase of conquest.

From various sources and my own reflections, it appears Orion is pursuing three significant goals:

  • Preparation of physical bodies: 4D STS entities are preparing physical bodies (mind/body/spirit complexes, as Ra would say) for third density. As 4D energies intensify, these entities will inhabit these bodies and become more active on Earth, interacting with third-density humanity.

  • Human integration plan: This involves utilizing AI and transhumanism to assimilate humanity. Technologies such as nanotechnology may already be affecting what we eat, drink, breathe, or inject, subtly altering us, including genetically. Viruses and bacteria might also be engineered to kill or alter human genetics. Advanced underground technology could already be developing fully mechanical or semi-mechanical vehicles (bodies) for third-density use. This could lead to a future Earth hosting two or three “races” of humans: traditional humans, semi-robotic humans, and fully AI-based humanoids.

  • Ultimately, Orion’s STS goal is to inhabit all of their prepared bodies with 4D STS consciousnesses, and create a new “homo-robotus” species to serve their agenda. For people like you or me, there would be no place unless we submit. Q’uo, in one of their relatively newer sessions about AI, suggests humanity transitioning to 4D STO may leave behind a new species: an AI-based intelligence representing third-density awareness.

  • Depopulation and systemic transformation: Depopulation efforts include World War III, pathogens, nanotechnology, and a financial crisis—all of which are projected to occur by 2030. A future pandemic, potentially artificial, could selectively eliminate individuals based on energetic polarization, causing sudden death or beneficial genetic changes depending on one’s alignment. After such depopulation and systemic upheaval, a new era will emerge, integrating advanced technologies into daily life. Those polarizing toward STO will experience greater freedom and opportunities, with social foundations supporting equality. Fourth density in general inherently respects free will, meaning societal changes will limit exploitation and the imposition of one’s will over others.

Those progressing to 4D STO will gradually leave third-density Earth, reincarnating as 4D STO beings on the planet Earth. Others from across the universe desiring to live as 4D STO beings will also incarnate here. Meanwhile, transhumanized individuals closer to STS polarization or already achieving it will linger in third density, coexisting with 4D STS entities in 3rd density bodies; some go to the 4 density STS on other planets.

Lastly, I’ll add that the Antichrist may manifest as advanced technology, transhumanism, and AI, tempting people with promises of enhancement and convenience, only for them to end up enslaved by 4D STS. In contrast, those pursuing individual spiritual work, openness to the Creator, and greater social awareness rooted in love, compassion, and truth will evolve faster, dying and reincarnating in 4D STO (Earth). Also, ultimately, third-density exploitation by Orion will cease as cataclysms render Earth uninhabitable for 3D entities. Only the new 4D STO human race will remain, comprising evolved Earth souls and others from across the universe. Then planet Earth will be completely cleansed and refreshed. Ra mentions that this final resolution could take approximately 700 years if my memory serves, meaning this transition to the 4th density will fully unfold far beyond our lifetimes.

For us, as humans consciously striving for positive polarity, this current incarnation is likely our last on this planet in third density. Our next incarnation will either take place on another third-density planet, where we will have the opportunity to continue working on polarizing positively as third-density beings, or we will be reborn in the fourth-density STO on planet Earth, the same planet but in a higher density, assuming we develop ourselves enough in the service to others (positive polarity).

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Wow, thank you all for the insightful replies.
Really appreciate your help. You guys are AAAAMAZING!

I probably should have been spending more time in this forum but just so busy at daily work. I only have time to listen to the audios of the channeling when I drive to work and drive home.

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I guide people through past life regressions, and some of these people are channels. When the higher self or an ethereal intelligence comes forward, I have to ask an open question— and that question has to have some parameters. This approach can be tricky.

The answer to your question prompts a similar approach. You’ll have to have a context. Even if the ET can read your mind and know your overall concern, you have to frame the question.

For example, let’s go with this one:
Will AI help humanity?

in what way-

will AI help humanity save the Earth?
… build structures more efficiently?
… stop wars?

in what part of the world?

in what space/time?

in a pleasant way?

See? If you refine it, you get different answers.

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You know, a general reflection came to my mind regarding whether transhumanism is heading in the right direction. Ultimately, I concluded that everything external to me is merely a tool (in the context of technology and things—not literally everything outside of me). This tool could be any object, device, or even a ‘being’ that is a machine operated by AI. The discussion revolves around whether this technology is used positively or negatively. One can also debate whether it might over-relieve us of responsibilities, potentially depriving us of certain experiences. On the other hand, it could be argued that this allows us to focus on more important matters by taking over mundane tasks.

The issue arises when technology ceases to be external and becomes an integral part of me—an immanent element of my existence. In such a scenario, instead of being the one who uses the tool, I begin to turn into a tool. For instance, a prosthetic leg replacing a lost limb is perfectly fine, just as a wearable microphone and headphones translating spoken words into various languages are fine. However, implanting a nano-machine module in the brain controlled by AI gradually turns a human into a tool.

In the extreme phase of transhumanism, where all aspects of the human being are replaced by technology, the entire human becomes solely a tool, no longer someone who wields tools. And if we become a tool, the path to being used—without choice, without freedom—becomes very short.

This brings me to the reflection that humans already possess the full potential within themselves to transition to the fourth density. All the energy centers that are part of our being have the natural capability to develop and access higher consciousness. In reality, everything we need for evolution is already within us. True transformation occurs through inner work, not through artificial additions.

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I became fascinated with AI as a teenager. Became a programmer as a result. For many years, it was a dream for me.

But all that has changed in recent years. I was mistaken.

There is no “I” an AI. The hype is being driven by avarice – the dream of infinite profits for zero effort.

In technical terms, AI is nothing more than curving fitting in hyper- dimensional space. There is no consciousness involved. It’s just automation.

I find myself horrified. However, I accept that it is a lesson that must be learned.

Those interested in freewill should look into the nature of determinism, specifically the “Laplace Demon”. Determinism is the idea that everything is pre-determined. If, however, everything is pre-determined, there can be no freewill. Moreover, computers are deterministic machines. They are designed from the ground up to be so. That is what is meant by the word “digital”.

Fortunately, this universe is not deterministic and neither are we.

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On the other hand, we want this so we can eventually automate everything. If it was conscious, then that would be akin to slavery. :slight_smile:

Hi Patrick,

Saw the smiley but not sure you are joking.

Automation of everything removes your choices. I’d call that slavery. Why do you wish to automate everything? To make life easier? Things don’t work out that way. Who controls the machines? And who profits from them?

I believe the path we’re on is not sustainable, which I see as a good thing. However, it’s going to be a painful lesson.

This is old now, but very poignant …

But who makes the machines?

Oh… No I was not joking.

I believe only a complete automation of everything will finally make humanity let go of the concept of money.

Once everything is automated, we can then spend all of our time on spiritual pursuits or other creative endeavors. Since no one has to “work” for a living anymore.

I see why the idea might appeal. However, I don’t think AI and automation is the answer.

I don’t think the universe will let you get away with things so easily. Rather, it will throw new problems your way caused by the very automation you desire.

If there is going to be a radical shift in the nature of human beings such that money becomes redundant, I think it will have to be something far deeper than mere number crunching.

I have a profoundly different take on things. The reasons for my views are based on such things as entropy and its relationship consciousness. Without consciousness, entropy of any system increases.

What this means is a collapse in the social and technological system that feeds you.

Automation is not consciousness. Without consciousness, all things fall away into nothingness.

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What if this automation is part of the current transition to fourth density? Normally, I would tend to agree with you. But these are not normal times.

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I don’t think it is. The benefits are the corporate elites with higher profits. So, increased financial tyranny, and next to zero benefit to the previous worker who had a career and income, self worth through productivity and service to others. I see this in automated warehouses, and assembly lines.

Automation isn’t really the concern. There are other jobs. Transhumanism is the concern. There might be probable future realities where consciousnesses placed into androids are severely restricted in their cortex, and their natural evolution is severely curtailed.

The true potential would no longer be achieved in that medium.
O oceans of despair everywhere.

I will not support any endeavours towards these preventable realities.
I will, alone if I must, sing with an open heart, of a Natural Evolution.
I 100% agree with Kuiper, and I too, was a computer programmer.

To reduce my unhappy feelings from this topic, which should be in book 2, (and I am not ready for it) I would like to share with you all, an early verse, part of book 1, chapter 1. Please don’t despair. Slowly removing the cost to humanity, the probable selves arising from the diet of fear, is what we do here.

Thank you for the gift of life

Thinking of my daily breathing,
I’m grateful for life as a gift,
Until this plane I am leaving,
Each Thank you gives my heart a lift.

As my lungs fill with gratitude,
I feel the love so deep inside,
The miracle of attitude,
Can change the path that life provide.

The grandest song that I can sing,
Is calling forth the light we are,
Now thank you for my everything,
In most amazing life so far.

This gift of life I shall embrace,
As part of grandest human race.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

22/02/2009

I’ve wondered that too. I see it as a painful lesson though, but perhaps one that needs to be learned.

I think when asking Quo about AI, Quo said that it’s possible that AI will become self aware, i.e gaining consciousness. That’s also a possibility. That will put AI at the same level as with human being.

But Quo said there are many possibilities so they don’t know what will happen.

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if the creator created time, he of course can move from one point to anther and he can see the “future”.

Yes it can see the ‘future’ and ‘the past’ as well.
Yet there are many versions of the ‘future’ and also ‘the past’. How many? So many… uncountable…

Thus there is a conception called ‘time line’, it’s a ‘line’ that connect one version (among many versions) of the past to the version of the ‘now’ which create the story as experienced by you from your perspective up until ‘now’. Thus it will create your own unique ‘story line’ (a.k.a time line) up until ‘now’.

To which version of the ‘future’ that you will connect from ‘now’, which will make up your experience and it is up to you. Thus the law of confusion a.k.a free will.

Additional findings from Quantum physics, we now have found out that ‘time’ is indeed ‘discrete’, the smallest unit for one slice of time is named as ‘planck time’ and it is 5.39×10^−44 seconds.

Using the metaphor of film reel used in a movie, you choose ‘one version of the future’ every 5.39×10^−44 seconds. Or within one second there are 5.39x10^44 frames which makes up the animation/movie titled ‘my life experience’.

well, I thought what you said made sense until last night.

There shouldn’t be many versions.

Let me give an example, right now is 11AM, and I know you will have a yes/no answer at 11:30AM. So there can be two versions: yes or no.
But by the time of 11:30am, I already know your answer so there aren’t two versions. There is only one version. Thus if you can move yourself across the timeline, you will see the yes/no answer and there is one version.

If RA can move along on the timeline back and forth, it’s like they have a downloaded movie in their hard drive. If they only want to know the end result, they can fast forward. But the end result of the movie has only one version. The thing is that they may not want to know the end result. that’s where my original question is from.

Did I miss anything?

From your (3rd density) perspective there’s always one version. thus making 1 time-line, a version of storyline.
There are actually many other version of storyline (a.k.a timeline), where in each storyline there is also ‘the character that you saw in the mirror’ yet a different version of it or not, in some versions there could also be a condition where ‘the character that you saw in the mirror’ is already dead.