Q’uotes Discussions

[MelissaMiller]

@soup

Please pardon me as potentially take this out of
context, but this idea reminds me of some sort if
stereotype where dudes seems emotionally out
of touch and chicks constantly disappointed by
some hopeless disconnect as either being over
emotional and not making logical sense or else
impossible to understand. You might call such
a stereotype that of a reckless hack, but I’ll
counter argue the world’s full of this stuff.

I might frame it as subjective vs objective or non-rational vs rational. A feeling to be felt vs a problem to be solved. Both have their place but can be a cross-purposes when trying to address conflict in a relationship. I also think the tendency towards one or the other is inherently more personality based than gender based. My personal opinion is that the days of the world being full of this stuff in a stereotypically gendered way are limited. The times they are a-changin’.

I appreciate your musing on listening as a part of the Significator archetype and an important step in the processing of experience.

@soup

A lot of communication gets conveyed
by facial expression, without people
even realizing it. A spontaneous smile
might be contageous, an incessant frown
might indicate some problem unresolved.
We might listen to ourselves by looking
at the expressiins of those around us
and owning the feeling that undelies it
as important messages to significate.

This emoji made me laugh because to me it highlights the point of what you’re saying. I think about this a lot. Body language is so important as a communication tool for listening to each other. We’ve tried to account for it with emojis in texted based spaces, but they are a poor substitute for physical language and presence. Like I can interpret this emoji as various expressions: a deep eye roll of frustration, a mildly annoyed eyebrow raise, a resigned sideways grin with a cheeky sigh of exasperation.

[anon23924087]

@Quan

"Before the incarnation began, you and your higher self carefully placed within that incarnation relationships, gifts and challenges that were designed to help you reduce distortion within your soul stream. "

I do feel that true

[anon23924087]

@Quan

When the march that you experience now through the densities is complete, all of that harvest will be offered to the one infinite Creator.

How do you think it will happen?

[anon23924087]

@Quan

Thus, the wanderer is able to mirror to those within its realm of influence this quality of unity: the condition of the unconditional love, shall we say. The wanderer then has the opportunity to share this realization with the One Creator in all beings, thereby enlivening each entity’s apprehension of this Creator within each in some degree, so that there is a spiraling light-energy that moves in concentric circles, shall we say, to cause a kind of spiritual gravity to energize and awaken those people and experiences that the wanderer may embrace as another form of the Creator and its own other-self.

In words only it looks wonderful but in practice people do not want to see their mirror and blame you for the mirroring. Mirroring as an act might be a free will´s infringe as one does not want to see. The problem here is that one does not say “I do not want to see” so the logic here turns into “blame who did the first step” logic.

[Quan]

Thats a great quote isnt? Ahh the full power of the way of confusion in full effect…

[anon23924087]

@Quan

Thats a great quote isnt? Ahh the full power of the way of confusion in full effect…

Yes, that’s great. I wonder how conscious should be the choice of polarity or it doesn’t matter.

[Quan]

Just saw this now so is funny as was just just talking about that tonight, my son who is 6 was asking that…
Is is interesting tho… as RA talks about seven densities then 8… well eight the number is chosen as symbol that if you folow it it with your finger it keeps looping around and symbolises forever.

[anon23924087]

@Quan

is funny as was just just talking about that tonight, my son who is 6 was asking that…

Another brick in the Signs of Social Memory Complex Formation.

[sto4eternity1]

Thanks SO much for posting that session! I’ll be doing some in depth study and self-reflection with it for a long time to come! I appreciate it very much.

[Quan]

Thats fine , I presume you mean the RA session… Feel free to let us know how it goes

[K.K.33]

@Quan

" …It is well to retain times within each day when one practices the presence of the one infinite Creator, not by thought, by affirmation, or by any other aspect of the conscious human mind, but by listening to that silence which is pregnant with the one infinite Creator’s presence and truth. "

Just cant get enough of any quote that mentions silence Quenches a thirst… like having a drink with words?

It’s intriguing how Q’uo often mentions silence. Today, I arrived at the conclusion that this frequent mention might be attributed to the ongoing need for personal development in achieving and understanding silence. For instance, there exists a distinction between merely disconnecting from devices like computers and phones and settling into a state of undisturbed contemplation with our thoughts, and the deeper silence that involves calming both our body and mind totally.

Today, I lay down and endeavored to completely relax and achieve stillness (thus silence my body), simultaneously attempting to quiet my mind and inner dialogue (thus silence my mind). And what is significant, I directed my focus towards what I might describe as the gut or essence of my inner conscious self that can be perceived as subconcious from perspective of mind.

This practice led me to the emergence of unfamiliar, exotic positive emotions and elusive, surreal, and playful images within me (that I can’t really describe this in words, also seem to be intimate).

What was particularly enlightening was the sensation of infinity behind my inner self - a sense of expansiveness that suggests a complete void (void that is kind of fulfillment) where the mind and body, this transient self, seem factualy merely like a shell. This realization became accessible, precisely thanks to the embrace of silence.

Sometimes I recall perceiving the word ‘silence’ from Q’uo as somewhat simplistic and rudimentary. However, it’s undeniable that behind this seemingly basic term lies a spectrum of layers in achieving and experiencing silence, each yielding unique outcomes. It’s an authentic art form. For anyone hesitant or curious, I strongly recommend dedicating time to explore it, the silence.

[anon23924087]

It is connected to sensory deprivation, to my opinion

3.15 Questioner: Well, then you speak of the pyramid, especially the Great Pyramid, I assume, as primarily a healing machine and also spoke of it as a device for initiation. Are these one and the same concepts?

Ra: They are part of one complex of love/light intent/sharing. To use the healing aspects properly it was important to have a purified and dedicated channel, or energizer, for the love/light of the Infinite Creator to flow through; thus the initiatory method was necessary to prepare the mind, the body, and the spirit for service in the Creator’s work. The two are integral.

3.16 Questioner: Does the shape of the pyramid itself— is that a key function in the initiation process?

Ra: This is a large question. We feel that we shall begin and ask you to re-evaluate and ask further at a later session, this somewhat, shall we say, informative point.

To begin. There are two main functions of the pyramid in relation to the initiatory procedures. One has to do with the body. Before the body can be initiated, the mind must be initiated. This is the point at which most adepts of your present cycle find their mind/body/spirit complexes distorted from. When the character and personality that is the true identity of the mind has been discovered, the body then must be known in each and every way. Thus, the various functions of the body need understanding and control with detachment. The first use of the pyramid, then, is the going down into the pyramid for purposes of deprivation of sensory input so that the body may, in a sense, be dead and another life begin.

@anon23924087

5.2 We begin with the mental learn/teachings necessary for contact with intelligent infinity. The prerequisite of mental work is the ability to retain silence of self at a steady state when required by the self. The mind must be opened like a door. The key is silence.

Within the door lies an hierarchical construction you may liken unto geography and in some ways geometry, for the hierarchy is quite regular, bearing inner relationships.

[anon23924087]

@Quan

Now, it may so seem to one whose sense of self is such that it creates a kind of rotary pattern that moves from the yellow ray center back down to the orange ray center, back up through the yellow, and so on, and so on, and so on. We pause to call your attention to this configuration not because we feel that any within this circle of seeking are in fact polarizing in the direction of service to self, but we do find that the energy pattern typical of that configuration does, to some extent, persist in many, if not all who seek within your density, and so, it is well to be aware of that pattern, and it is well to be aware that that is a pattern through which one penetrates to gain access to the opening of the heart center.

That’s interesting. I wonder how person feels in this case and what’s happening to the energy rotating.

Also it is interesting how to detect the blockages of energetic centres.

[K.K.33]

@anon23924087

It is connected to sensory deprivation, to my opinion

I think, silence can be perceived in diverse ways, ranging from peace and contemplation in solitude to various states of detachment from the 3rd Density reality what allows individuals to deeply immerse themselves, enabling contact with higher aspects of one’s self and beyond. Sensory deprivation can be considered as one of them.

[soup]

I searched for “shimmers” and found
a Q’uo sharing from a while ago.

The most calm and the most busy of times alike offer moments or windows of opportunity wherein suddenly the illusion crystallizes and shimmers, and the transparency of being can be felt. When these moments occur, find time to give praise and thanks for these experiences of a truth that lies…

I searched for that because session 47
was read recently which was the inspiration
for this lyric improv. I very much admire the
music of this Kiwi artist, some of her songs she
sings in both English and Māori languages.
Near winter solstice, many people put out
holiday lights that might speak to this on
some level or another.

SHIMMERS
(Song beat similar to Benee, Soaked)

We crystallize as radiant.
The light refracts as beautiful.
This gives a pleasure to our eyes.
To dance around in our rainbows.

Free to learn t’know we can belong.
To help each other we grow strong.
Secrets we can share in loving form.
Intense in light we then transform.

Shimmers in our aim.
Yellow body way.
In being, our colors may,
Get freed or tucked away,
We can choose.

Shimmers in our aim.
Rainbow balanced light.
Sparkle, a radiant joy.
By color we reframe to renew.

Loo, loo, loo
Loo, loo, loo

Sparkle, a radiant joy.
By color we reframe.

An astral green as love for you.
A deva blue’s a wisdom true.
Our Indigo of after lives.
In our violet’s soothing stew.

Free to learn t’know we can belong.
To help each other we grow strong.
Secrets we share in loving form.
Intense in light we then transform.

Shimmers in our aim.
Yellow body way.
In being our colors may,
Get freed or tucked away,
We can choose.

Shimmers in our aim.
Rainbow balanced light.
Sparkle, in radiant joy.
By color we reframe to renew.

Loo, loo, loo
Loo, loo, loo

Sparkle, in radiant joy.
By color we reframe to renew.

Loo, loo, loo
Loo, loo, loo

Sparkle, in radiant joy.
By color we reframe to renew.

Free to learn t’know we can belong.
To help each other we grow strong.
Secrets we share in loving form.
Intense in light we then transform.

Shimmers in our aim.
Yellow body way.
In being our colors may,
Get freed or tucked away,
We can choose.

Shimmers in our aim.
Rainbow balanced light.
Sparkle, in radiant joy.
By color we reframe to renew.

Loo, loo, loo
Loo, loo, loo

Sparkle, in radiant joy.
By color we reframe to renew.

Loo, loo, loo
Loo, loo, loo

Sparkle, in radiant joy.
By color we reframe to renew.

Loo, loo, loo
Loo, loo, loo

[Quan]

Interesting discussion guys… yes an the sensory depreivation is a great way of meditation… like with any training attempting in all different ways and angles. I have a room I use for meditation… its well a small clothes closet when you close door is pitch dark and very silent… or open door has a view into nature. You can also use ear plugs and eye mask. Also silence is great to practice in very noisy places too as there is part of you that is always silent thats how you know when its noisy… Or just meditate very early in the morning where is very quiet and dark then which was great way too I used… quiete also in terms of thoughts by rest of nearby population. Once you get a feel for silence all those extras aren’t so important but still helpful… Be creative in it… even just walking with your eyes closed or riding a roller coaster or immersing yourself in water, eg bath or lake or ocean, if floating on back your ears can be under the water. Fasting, if fast for a while takes to much energy to think, or even in a sauna, or smell in other formats. Silence is a form of vibration that transcends all others, sight smell touch, hearing can all excel an propel onto feel silence on a deeper level… Okay better stop there could keep going on!

After much practice silence I found now is like tuning into a frequency… an extra sense you just listen, inner listen and tuned in no matter what your doing. Once you past the critical points it gets far easier… then you start seeking out catalyst more and more proactively to test the process, which makes for some interesting experiences Eventually… im not there yet it just becomes a completely natural way of being, that tuned in part.

Its just getting past the social conditioning… training to think a lot from a young age, an learning instead to listen inner listen a lot instead which is really the natural way of being, if one allows it…

Of course preincarnative planning comes into play in all of this… so I can only comment on personal experience each seeks in different manners…
6.1
" . We have considered the mind as a tree. The mind controls the body. With the mind single-pointed, balanced, and aware, the body comfortable in whatever biases and distortions make it appropriately balanced for that instrument, the instrument is then ready to proceed with the great work.

That is the work of wind and fire. The spiritual body energy field is a pathway, or channel. When body and mind are receptive and open, then the spirit can become a functioning shuttle or communicator from the entity’s individual energy of will upwards, and from the streamings of the creative fire and wind downwards."

So to link with the above discussion, work on the mind and then body, become single pointed and focused on silence, inner silence. Which paves the way for spirit part…

[K.K.33]

@Quan

So to link with the above discussion, work on the mind and then body, become single pointed and focused on silence, inner silence. Which paves the way for spirit part…

Yes. I think it’s also worth bringing up the issue of Density to all of this. We have our planet and the sky around us - that’s 1 Density and it’s something we perceive outside ourselves. We have 2 Density, it’s the bodies of other beings and our own body, which is also something external, it’s like a costume we put on ourselves. We have 3 Density this is the human world around us, outside of us. We also have our mind (3 Density bio computer) which this world around us is able to interpret and move in it. 3rd Density mind is also something external, it is like a tool that we use; it belongs to us throughout our physical lives, but it is not us directly.

But what about the other Densities? We can’t see them around us. We see the world of 1, 2 and 3 Densities around us. What about the 4th Density, for example? Of course, theoretically, an object or being can move to the 3rd Density and function here for a while before returning to its native environment. And then such a being from the 4th Density can be found in the 3rd Density and we will say that it is something we perceive outside ourselves. We’ll say we see some kind of figure in the world around us.

However, this is more of an occasional thing and therefore, what then? How do we connect with these higher Densities. Well we are left to do it through ourselves. Our inner self is the portal to contact with the higher Densities (with our own higher selves, as well as with other beings from these higher densities). How deal then with the other Densities, negatively polarized (1,2,3 Densities) relative to those positively polarized (4,5,6 Densities)?

Well, then, in order to effectively “stay” in this world of higher Densities, one must mute these lower Densities. One has to direct one’s attention from the outside to the inside, the deeper the better; the less “rustling” from the outside and the deeper the silence the better. “Inner” and “silence”, these are the keys.

[soup]

@K.K.33

Well, then, in order to effectively “stay” in this world of higher Densities, one must mute these lower Densities. One has to direct one’s attention from the outside to the inside, the deeper the better; the less “rustling” from the outside and the deeper the silence the better. “Inner” and “silence”, these are the keys.

This might get suggest a couple ideas.

One idea is we have finite bandwidth and can only
perceive say one density at a time, the idea we
need to focus all attention on one density of
interest, I would counter argue that higher
densities operate on some higher frequency and
can switch perception of density so quick that
disregard of lower densities may or may not be
relevant to responsible action,

Another idea seems one of self denial - a sort
of self discipline set of rules that dictates no
spurious behavior in support of pursuing some
goal. In the quest of infinite creation we may
necessarily give up eating ice cream so our
5% body fat can help us take a good photo,
or something like that. Some righteous
denial of behavior may be creative in some
other regard which may or may not work
for everyone.

These conundrums commonly come up in
Tantra, where seemingly hedonistic pursuit
seems misunderstood by the masses -
pleasure seems denied as socially mundane,
then becomes spiritually limiting. If we sincerely
take responsibility for our spirit, we cannot
deny spiritual pursuits including things like
the pursuit of bliss; red ray as sacramental.

[K.K.33]

@soup

These conundrums commonly come up in
Tantra, where seemingly hedonistic pursuit
seems misunderstood by the masses -
pleasure seems denied as socially mundane,
then becomes spiritually limiting. If we sincerely
take responsibility for our spirit, we cannot
deny spiritual pursuits including things like
the pursuit of bliss; red ray as sacramental.

I liked what I once read from Q’uo, that focusing on orgasm can be equivalent to experiencing the release of the Creator’s ecstatic love energy. Presumably, when the Creator made through His Free Will a distortion that we can call Love, it was a true moment of ecstasy for His/Her Consciousness.

Of course, we have some differences here with experiencing it in the physical body (which wasn’t there yet at the time) versus in consciousness, but I’m inclined to think that the physical orgasm in some way reflects this spiritual ecstasy. So experiencing orgasm, in any way, is a joyful moment of communing with the primordial moment of Love’s dissipation. As with everything, in this case, the sensation of orgasm is highly desirable, provided it goes in balance with other things in life.

@soup

Another idea seems one of self denial - a sort
of self discipline set of rules that dictates no
spurious behavior in support of pursuing some
goal. In the quest of infinite creation we may
necessarily give up eating ice cream so our
5% body fat can help us take a good photo,
or something like that. Some righteous
denial of behavior may be creative in some
other regard which may or may not work
for everyone.

There’s something in that… As everything that is, is a certain kind of distortion, that’s how we climb to this infinite existence through various kinds of distortions, where we abandon some and open up to others, so this attitude that you describe can bear fruit.

@soup

One idea is we have finite bandwidth and can only
perceive say one density at a time, the idea we
need to focus all attention on one density of
interest, I would counter argue that higher
densities operate on some higher frequency and
can switch perception of density so quick that
disregard of lower densities may or may not be
relevant to responsible action,

From what I understand, we can experience life in one Density at a time, from a pool of 1 to 6. The 7th Density is specific, when we are in the 7th Density we experience all the Densities at once (from 1 to 7 as one). Experiencing Densities that are positively polarized (from 4 to 6), can temporarily exist for a person in a 3 Density with the complete ignoring of those Densities from 1 to 3 as those higher Densities contain all the lower Densities and the lower are only distorted versions of those higher. Densities 1 through 3 (negatively polarized) are sort of a distortion and restriction of those Densities 4 through 6, at least I interpret it that way, I don’t know if that’s for sure, because it can also be said that the higher Densities stand on the foundations of the lower ones, and that changes the character of things a bit.

[K.K.33]

While we’re on the subject of Q’uo. Christmas wishes from Q’uo. Archival, yet concise and very nice

We wish you and all of those in this circle of seeking a very Merry Christmas also, for this is season of love, love unutterable, love undefiled, and love forever true. Q’uo - December 25, 2010

And I add my Christmas wishes to the whole group I have been here since May 2023 and it was one of the best decisions in my life to get involved here and also read regulary Q’uo and practice. I used to get to know Ra as well, but that’s old times, I started getting to know the project anew since last summer and I’m very happy about it.

Marry Christmass and the Happy New Year to All!