Good point! 
I thought I’d try Chatgpt just for shits & giggles, here’s what she said:
She continues:
And then the kicker:
You could glimpse useful information from the Gospel of Thomas.
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Reading Wikipedia. “First Council of Constantinople convoked by Emperor Constantine I”. So first Roman Empire killed Jesus, then headed his teaching and then changed it in own way. I see in this way.
As Joel Goldsmith puts it is Thunder of Silence:
MMmm… not that simple actually, The Roman Governor of Judea province was more of an ‘executor’ based on a request coming from Judaism High Council of Priest (Sanhedrin).
So in today’s environment it will be like Catholic Papacy asking Italian government to execute a man. Initially the accusation was due to heresy and then changed it to inciting a rebellion to an official government by declaring himself as the true dictator of Italy, thus punishable by Italian law.
By the way, have anyone watched Monty Python’s Life of Brian?
It’s a comedic sketch about the event.
300 or more years after the event, another emperor of Rome decided to unite the failing empire by inventing a new standardized religion. The religion is declared to be universal (Catholicismus) thus anyone within Roman empire domain must join. The head of the religion of course must report and obey any direction coming from the emperor.
Thus when the Roman Empire split (Western Empire in Rome and Eastern Empire in Byzantium/today’s Istanbul) so does the religion, wherein each report to respective emperor.
No, but I’ll definitely check it out. I have many Monty Python admirers in my circles.
So to your opinion (if any) Sanhedrin are responsible for that? Or both with Roman (governor/Empire)?
Soooo, are we them assuming that they made a bit of an oopsie by neglecting to erase Matthew 17, where Jesus says John the Baptist is the reincarnation of Elijah?
That’s how the Gospels read, yes. Caiaphas, the Jewish high priest, was the mastermind in the plot to kill Jesus.
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I found relevant Ra’s depiction which gives more detail on what I said above.
Questioner
Can you tell me what the Orion group did in order to try to cause his downfall?
Ra
I am Ra. We may describe in general what occurred. The technique was that of building upon other negatively oriented information. This information had been given by the one whom your peoples called Yahweh. This information involved many strictures upon behavior and promised power of the third-density, service-to-self nature. These two types of distortions were impressed upon those already oriented to think these thought-forms.
This eventually led to many challenges of the entity known as Jesus. It eventually led to one, sound vibration complex Judas, as you call this entity, who believed that it was doing the appropriate thing in bringing about, or forcing upon the one you call Jesus, the necessity for bringing in the third-density planetary-power distortion of third-density rule over others.
This entity, Judas, felt that, if pushed into a corner, the entity you call Jesus would then be able to see the wisdom of using the power of intelligent infinity in order to rule others. The one you call Judas was mistaken in this estimation of the reaction of the entity, Jesus, whose teach/learning was not oriented towards this distortion. This resulted in the destruction of the bodily complex of the one known as Jesus to you.
And as events playout, many years after Jesus, the Sicarii eventually get what they wanted, a jewish revolution against Roman Empire. The response from Rome was swift and brutal.
I remember reading a sign beside today’s Colosseum in Rome, stating that the building was built from plunder of Judean campaign.
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that website looks interesting. I will take a look. Thank you very much for sharing this.
Interesting are these references by Q’uo to the fact that Jesus traveled to the Near and Far East as well as India and North Africa. I have a hypothesis about the nationality of Jesus or Jehoshua (or the same man with a similar sounding name) which I am happy to present: Jesus was a Roman of Jewish descent.
I’ll outline where this came from for me in a moment. But first, according to the Jewish Encyclopedia (https://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12816-rome#1005):
“Jews have lived in Rome for over 2,000 years, longer than in any other European city.”
And:
“During the last decades of the second century B.C., after the war between the Hasmonean brothers on one side and Cæsar and Pompey on the other, the Jewish community in Rome grew very rapidly.”
We assume that Jesus traveled. Well he must have had money or owned something that allowed him to take advantage of travel opportunities. Rome would have provided such opportunities, giving an opportunity to live, earn, etc.
If you are a Roman, what would interest you? The north of Europe will not interest you, these were the regions that the Romans try to conquer and imposed their culture. Rome as such will not interest you either, because it is your home. Greece? Rome conquered Greece, while culturally Greece “conquered” Rome. In terms of philosophy and spirituality, you don’t need to go to Greece, Greece came to you. So we reject Rome and Greece as a destination.
As a Roman you will travel beyond Rome and then what you have. You have, for example, the north of Africa and a city like Carthage, which was a Roman colony at the time. In doing so, you open yourself up to the eastern culture. Carthage was founded by Middle Eastern peoples. So by being in Carthage, you are opening yourself up to Africa and potentially the culture of the Black people, although most importantly, you already feel the wind from the east.
Then in the north of Africa we have Alexandria. Alexandria was a Greek city, however, when you are in Alexandria you end up in practice in Egypt and you open yourself up to the religious and philosophical richness. Alexandria was a city connected by a sea route to Rome, a very important route. Unfortunately, they often used this route, to bring Jewish slaves to Rome. However, for those better positioned Jews, who made up their minority there, it was also a normal place to live and earn money from trade with Rome. I think that Jesus as, my hypothesis says, a Roman, could under such circumstances, get to Alexandria with relative ease, and there get acquainted with the religion of Egypt and Ra.
Further east we have, for example, Judea. Jesus, as a descendant of Jews, was able to make a strong presence in that area by interacting with his ancestors. Further east we have Persia through which you can get to India, generally I won’t elaborate further on this anyone can imagine more or less what Jesus might have been interested in and where he might have ended up next.
Jesus probably returned to his home in Rome to his family and normal work, and at the same time going out to the people gradually sharing the accumulated knowledge and experience without even thinking that he was laying the foundation for the future religion Christianity. If he was lucky, he could have lived to old age while conceiving children. If not, by virtue of his activities as a spiritual teacher, he might have fallen foul of some villains and ultimately ended up on the cross. I don’t know.
In one of the previous posts (Message From Jesus - #44 by K.K.33) in this thread, I pointed out that Christianity has its negative side, aiming to unite the Roman Empire under one universal religion, ruled by one strong religious-political power structure and opening to further expansion by dominating the “pagans.” To create this universal religion they created a synthesis of all these philosophies and religions of the time, so that it would be attractive to people rooted in a variety of beliefs and provide them with a source of knowledge required for objective inner transformation and spiritual work.
It certainly contains something positive and universal for everyone, otherwise it would be rejected. And yet someone had to do this synthesis of all these religions and philosophies and it could be Jesus. It is rare for one person to do everything by himself and he rather was only an important link in the execution of this type of work, but it was original enough to attract different people with different intentions (positive and negative).
It was others who could intercept his teachings and create on this basis the cult of Jesus Christ the Son of God, which later they became governors. Forgetting the real Jesus (or this person, just by another proper name). It is possible that the mainstream figure of Jesus Christ (twisting his real name, which was rather different), while fictitious, may have been partly based on the real Jesus. And the awareness of the knowledge of Jesus has survived to this day, even if in a distorted form… And his contribution to the shape of the Christian religion, further gives a readable connection to deep spirituality.
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Not necessarily so, Siddhartha and also many other Yogis travelled without money or owning something. And from the Gospel we can read a glimpse how John (The Baptist) sustain his life.
John’s clothes were made of camel’s hair, and he had a leather belt around his waist. His food was locusts and wild honey.
Matthew 3:4
John was an “Essene”, a mystical group within Judaism tradition.
A ‘communist’ society, if we use modern terminology, where everything is shared.
And from Quo we got a glimpse how Jesus was a member or at least a student of the Essenes.
December 6, 2003
The one known as Jesus tended to be somewhat of a loner and liked nothing better than to steal away at nightfall. There was, near the village in which his parents lived, a high place in the surrounding terrain. It was nothing more than what this instrument would call a knob or a small rise of rock, yet the climbing of this modest knob to the ridge of it created within him a feeling of peace that he did not find elsewhere. It was his habit to gaze at the stars and imagine the lack of limit. The overriding sense of infinite possibility would rest upon him at those times and much of the actual substance of this entity’s spiritual maturity was gained not because of the teaching of his parents or the teaching of those spiritual leaders which the small town offered but rather the silence which he was able to find within himself while gazing into the depths of the night sky.
At the age of approximately fourteen, this entity was offered the opportunity to study with two other entities from the same small town who were also those who had an interest in the spiritual studies that the village rabbis were glad to offer. And so there ensued a period of some years where this entity studied, prayed and meditated with a group of what this instrument would call Essenes. This further enabled the one known as Jesus to discipline his somewhat mischievous and wayward personality and to refine within himself the hunger that he felt for the truth.
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Thank you for your post. I have decided that in time I will explore all the channeling passages regarding Jesus. While collecting all the quotes and links in one file. If I do, I’ll be sure to share it.
When it comes to the origin and activities of Jesus, as well as some of the facts, it always makes me wonder how far channelings may deviate from the truth because of our expectations, rather, any of us who grew up in the Christian religion are pretty much biased when it comes to the figure of Jesus.
Nonetheless, I’m still inclined to trust Q’uo more than my own speculations, because currently they have already helped me many times in metaphysical matters in a meaningful and coherent expansion of my existing vision of the spiritual world and practical ways to get myself under control and process the emotional baggage and put me on the right track by changing my thinking and attitude.
Yet I must admit that I am not backing down from my hypothesis and what I have written so far about Jesus. I think it’s possible to process all of this into a higher level truth, so to speak, the point is to somehow integrate it all together. I think focusing on Q’uo and what they said about Jesus will be helpful.
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And another question I have, is if the Catholic church erased any mention of reincarnation from church doctrine, or perhaps keeping it locked up in a vault somewhere in the Vatican, with restricted access, then how is it that we even know of it today?
How did the person asking the question in that Quo session you shared know that it was this event, the fifth ecumenical council in Nicaea, when reincarnation was erased? And this session happened in 1985, before the internet existed, so he/she must have acquired this information somewhere…
On the internet as well, at a quick glance, there seems to be more or less consensus that this was the event where reincarnation was removed, but where is their source for this information, if they’re not privy to official historical church records?
Some early Christian writers perhaps? I’m not expecting you to know the answer to this, I’m just wondering who/where is/are the source/s for this now often repeated claim?
Okay…this is quite headache inducing stuff, but here we have the wiki page for the First seven ecumenical councils
The Second Council of Constantinople is the one in question (I think), where “Origenism” was condemned.
So who was Origen? From some articles online, it looks like he said some things indicating that he believed in (or at the very least was sympathetic to) reincarnation.
The poor man was also tortured to death, so I think it’s safe to say he ruffled some feathers…
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This was clearly a very chaotic and tumultuous time in history, where the Catholic church were busy “getting their story straight”, also deciding on the wording “God’s only begotten son” as it pertains to Jesus, to ensure “no-one becomes a nuisance later” as Alan Watts puts it.
In my opinion, this information has been passed down orally. Probably by groups such as Gnostic Christians.
Well as Jesus said:
“For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.”
Luke 8:17
As every events are meticulously recorded in the “akashic record”.
By reading the 3 gospels (excluding John) plus other writings which didn’t make it to the official bundle (ie: earlychristianwritings.com books) it’s very clear that Jesus is not “God’s only begotten son”. The hint can be found in the “Lord’s Prayer” itself.
In contrast L01 explained that everyone (and everything) is sons/daugthers of the one infinite creator, including Jesus. And specifically Jesus, he’s a 4th density entity which perhaps now has graduated further towards 5th density.
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