Message From Jesus

Hey Quid, so you know the book I mentioned a little earlier in this conversation - Life in the World Unseen by Anthony Borgia. I’m reading it again now, because it was so amazing! So I think you said you were raised Catholic…

Now this book is a channeled book, the channel is Anthony Borgia, and the entity he channeled was Robert Hugh Benson when he was still on earth, a prominent Catholic priest and prolific writer of Catholic doctrine. His works are still highly regarded by the Catholic church, to this day.

So when Benson died and arrived on “the other side”, he was just filled with remorse over what he had written while still on earth, and all the Catholic lies he perpetuated.

So he asked them if there is anything he can do to correct these mistakes, and communicate to Earth people somehow, so they allowed him to come through as a channel.

The result is this book, and its a magical read! Jam-packed with spiritual insights and delights.

Read it, you won’t regret it!

So why did the zen masters give their students such impossible tasks?

“To hear the sound of one hand clapping” …“without moving, stop a ship sailing out on the water”…“stop the sound of a train whistle in the distance”…“touch the ceiling without getting up from one’s chair”…

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Thanks and interesting…
Anything in particular that “Benson” felt remorse over?
Just like in any organization, Catholic church is not an exception, it always contain people with wide range of spectrum. I’m now try to cut through the label (catholic, anglican, moslem, buddhist etc…) and try to grasp the range of spectrum.
Among the pattern that I find is “Fanaticism” (such as towards specific label) is strongly related to “Ego” and “Pride”, and it’s categorized within the “middle low range of frequency”.

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I’m a little on the go at the moment, but I had a quick glance at some of his works on his wikipedia page, among other things, he was tasked with using Catholic dogma and doctrine to attack new and upcoming Christian denominations (who threatened the authority of the Catholic church).

One of the groups he went after was the Christian Scientists.

And then just perpetuating the usual Catholic nonsense; heaven / hell…eternal damnation…guilt…and so on - all the “fear” stuff…

When I have a moment I’ll add some snippets from the book.

His last book…sadly…

Imagine his surprise when he got to “the other side” …

I’ve encountered similar narration before,
“Make the flower bloom in winter.”
The answer is: you should not expect the flower to bloom during winter, just wait for spring time and the flower will bloom without any need for you to do anything.
Is it similar?

I believe they did it to frustrate the students to the point where they “gave up” and “let go”, realising that “they of themselves can do nothing”.

Remember these “impossible tasks” were given to students to contemplate during zazen (meditation).

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I only understood these techniques used by zen masters when I read this book - a book that has nothing to do with zen…or maybe everything!

These techniques may seem a little unorthodox (or extreme), but sometimes they got the job done.

As Alan Watts would say “how are you going to lift yourself up by your own bootstraps?” or “the one who is doing the improving, is the one who needs to be improved”…dilemma… so now what? :slight_smile:

Or as Eckhart Tolle realised the night of his awakening…in his frustration he screamed “I can’t live with myself any longer!”…hang on! …I?myself?…how can there be two of me?

The zen masters were waiting for this “break” to occur in a student.

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Not too long ago while I was rereading the Gospels, I started wondering about the word “sin”, and what its original meaning might have been, before it came to mean “wrongdoing”…

The original meaning of the word was something akin to “estrangement” and “separation” - a condition of being cut off, exiled, away from home.

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I myself had various theories about this. Ultimately, I’m inclined to think that it’s simply disinformation designed to make people think that they are somehow scolded, unclean, evil. Which is an illusion.

The truth is that everyone is perfect, in the sense of the fundamental vibration/energy that makes up their soul, and no original sin exists, has not existed and will not exist, and the only effect such thinking about sin or original sin has is to mentally disconnect from the community in oneness with all that exists - this is my opinion.

I am now reading excerpts from a session with Q’uo:

There are two basic ways in which those of your culture choose to make the demarcation between the human and the divine. The first is that of the Christian, the Jewish and the Islamic religions or philosophical systems, if you will, in which there is required of the sinner a repentance and a surrender of the human self in order to worship, adore and be redeemed by the Creatorship of the Messiah or the God named Allah whose prophet is Mohammed. This system of demarcation of human and divine takes its flavor from the male energy of the God-name involved in all three religious systems.

In the New Testament, the son is not so lucky. There is no ram in Jerusalem and Jesus the Christ is crucified upon Golgotha. In both Testaments the figure is the same—one innocent to die in order to redeem all of sinful humanity.

(…) split betwixt humanity and divinity or the profane and the sacred. Within the Law of One, no such demarcation exists. Rather, it is posited that each entity within third density has the one infinite Creator at the heart of every fiber of its being.

And finally, more to the point:

(…)as the Law of One or the Confederation Philosophy posits a singular, unitary consciousness in which all parts are interactive and all things are one. If all things are one, to what shall any soul surrender? This is why there is no mention of such a surrender within our thoughts which we share with you.

The above excerpts are from: November 10, 2007 - Saturday meditation - L/L Research

“Surrender” to a higher divine power can be just interpreted as an escape from sin in favor of devotion to a higher power. But, precisely, to whom is this surrender as all is one? One can at most “surrender” oneself to oneself. There is no division. And sin then can only be an “agent” for promoting the idea of separation and this division between the “sacred and profane”, when there is nothing of the sort, objectively.

My understanding is that humanity has never been seperated (for example, by sin) and never will be. All there is is living behind a veil through which some recognize that they are separated, by virtue of a conclusion based on “imbalance”/illusion.

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The conception of “Original Sin” is quite absurd, at least in how “Common Christians” see it. God punished human because their great grandpa ate an apple, and to forgive such sin somebody need to die on a cross as a ‘black sheep’ / ‘offering’.
This is how the teacher ‘introduced’ me to Jesus in catholic school, so I was running scared upon seeing a gigantic statue of a man nailed upon a cross, in her effort to comfort me she said “Don’t be afraid, it’s a statue of Jesus dear… he died for our sin.”
And I’m thinking to myself:
“Sin? What did I do? I didn’t do my homework and somebody need to die for it?”

About sin,
Quo has an interesting narration about Jesus and (his) sin…

January 21, 2007

The one known as Jesus the Christ was in karmic debt from the point in his boyhood where he had done violence to another human being, however unintentionally. Because he had not forgiven himself for that action, he was karmically tied to that action and that entity because of his unwillingness to release himself from the burden of guilt. He was unwilling to forgive himself of his sin. And we use that word “sin” advisedly. That would be a topic upon which we could speak in and of itself! Perhaps you could substitute the word “error” in order to create a more neutrally emotional word for a lapse in judgment that results in unfortunate consequences.

When the one known as Jesus was faced with this self-confessed thief and murderer who asked him for forgiveness, Jesus the Christ not only forgave him but he realized with a flash of insight that pierced his very heart that he had the ability to forgive all others in the world but he was holding himself away from the redemptive power of the forgiveness that he himself came, in his own intention, to offer to the world. And so, finally, joyfully, thankfully, he released himself from his mistake. He forgave himself and he was free.

As for surrender, this is the conception according to Quo.

If the seeker is aware that he is seeking his deepest self, then there is no other, there is only a growing desire to lay aside each mask, each husk, and each trait of personality that veils from him the deepest truth of his nature. Yet this is not a mechanical process. There is no “stairway to heaven” as the song phrases it. There is only the gentle and continuous intention to allow the dropping away of all of those things that keep the awareness from beholding the presence of the one infinite Creator.

And this is where surrender and grace reenter this Law of One. For the surrender is to the deeper self. And in surrendering to the deeper truth of the self, the shallower identifications of self with personality traits, accidents of birth, race, religion, and so forth, melt away. All distinctions blur beside the presence of the Creator within.

Melt away the shallow self identification towards traits, birth, race, religion and so on…
Melt away the ego.
Furthermore from Quo…

December 6, 2003

Rather, he was one whose hunger for purity was such that he very much wanted and leapt towards the ability to lose himself, lose that ego structure which would have its desires and wants apart from the will of the Father. To the one known as Jesus all else was as nothing and simply was allowed to fall away.

As he said; Let your will be done, on earth as it’s in heaven…

By the way, the word ‘Prophet’ is from Hebrew “Nevi” which literally means “Hollow”.

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I really have to get into these Quo / Hatonn / etc. sessions, there’s some real gems in there!

I’m still percolating Jesus in Kashmir!

I’m going to have to read these sessions you guys shared in full, as it pertains to “surrender”.

I have some ideas about the word “sin” and its original meaning I shared above.

If it meant something along the lines of “estrangement” or “separation”, is it possible that it pointed to some deeper truth before it got distorted and came to mean “wrongdoing”?

So what I’m getting at, is that “sin” originally may have pointed to the “estrangement” or “separation” of a third density entity from its higher self in sixth density, or “self from self”.

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Apparently the word “sin” has been removed from the dictionary, because it has fallen into disuse. :face_with_open_eyes_and_hand_over_mouth:

Within the Lord’s prayer, originally the word “sin” was translated as “debt”.
It chimes well with the conception of “Karmic Debt” or “Karmic Bond”.

Forgive us our debts.
As we’ve forgiven our debtors.

I tried to trace to the Aramaic word and found the word “bayn” / “hawbayn” which translated to english as “debt”.
But since not many people understood ancient Aramaic nowadays, and the closest surviving language is “Arabic”, somebody did analysis of word to word translation of “Lord’s Prayer” using his knowledge of Arabic.

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And yet if you throw away “reincarnation” as Christianity has done, then “karmic debt” or “being born in sin” loses its meaning, and simply becomes “you are bad”.

I don’t think people nowadays quite realise the complete control that the Catholic church exercised over the European population during the Middle Ages.

The separation of church and state was a direct consequence of that. Even scientists and astronomers got in big trouble with the Catholic church if their “cosmology” and “theories” went against the religious dogma of the Catholic church.

The Alchemists had to operate in complete secrecy. They were deeply into Hermeticism. If we were living in Europe during the Middle Ages and we were studying the Ra material, we’d have to do the same as the Alchemists did.