Interesting session from 1976 prefiguring some of the inquiries made to Ra. It’s not all that important, I would say, but of some general interest as being conducted in an uncommon style of interchange in these early sessions.
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[Don is asking about why so many contactees report medical examinations.]
Don
…Why are they interested in the species? Just for an academic interest in the species?
Hatonn
No, this particular group is interested for a more personal reason. They feel an interest in some of the resources of this planet. They are not of a negative nature, but their interest is more acquisitive than scholarly, shall we say.
Don
You say acquisitive? Acquisitive?
Hatonn
That is correct.
Don
What do they want? Why?
Hatonn
We are attempting to speak through this channel. It is such a different type of concept that we are having difficulty.
Don
Take a crack at it.
Hatonn
We wish to condition the instrument for a moment.
[Pause]
Within your physical plane, within the globe which you call the Earth, there are assets which you have no need of which those of other technologies can use. That is why we say that these people, though they are acquisitive, are not destructive to you.
Don
Why are they examining the people that they take on board? What are the examinations for?
Hatonn
They wish to understand how we function.
Don
Are they third or fourth density?
Hatonn
They are fourth density. Now, you do have a very few third density beings visiting, but this is a far more scattered occurrence.
Don
Is the—do you know of any particular third-density vehicle that has been made known through our research?
Hatonn
Those that visited Hickson were third density. In South America—we cannot give it through this instrument, it is not in her mind—
Don
Villas-Boas?
Hatonn
This is correct—was third density. You do have your occasional, shall we say, weekend campers.
Don
What about the military police vehicle? Was that third or fourth density?
Hatonn
Third density.
Don
Betty and Barney Hill?
Hatonn
Fourth density.
Don
Walton?
Hatonn
Fourth density.
Don
Sgt. Moody?
Hatonn
Those two were fourth density beings. By far, the majority are fourth density.
Don
Van Tassel?
Hatonn
Van Tassel was visited by those of the Confederation which are not precisely fourth density. You must realize that as, shall we say, with your spies, many times we have a cover story which is acceptable to the hearer. This particular contact was one of the experiments which we tried which convinced us that hothead methods will not work.
Don
Will the Integratron work?
Hatonn
If we ever went ahead with it, yes. However—
Don
Was it the hotheads that gave it to Van Tassel?
Hatonn
That is correct. We simply found that we are no better than our instruments. You see, that is the secret. That is what we find so difficult to remember when we wish to give the gift of happiness and love, peace and brotherhood. We forget that we have no right to impress even the most beautiful of gifts upon people.
Don
Is the taking on board for a physical examination—would you consider that an infringement on free will?
Hatonn
We would.
Don
And the fourth density beings that are doing this are not aware of, shall we say, the infringement?
Hatonn
Many of your scientists know of the infringement of free will upon animals and yet they, in order to gain valuable information, cause this infringement upon these animals. It is in this spirit of a small sacrifice for a great deal of knowledge that this is being done.
Don
Will these exams have the objective of ultimately helping our species or the persons examining them?
Hatonn
This is correct. Not the person in particular but the species.
Don
Can you give me an idea what they’re trying to gain from the examination?
Hatonn
If they were to tune to our atmosphere in such a way as to extract that which they need from our Earthly sphere, the vibration involved would need to be tailored to the exact make-up of our species, speaking as you. They are therefore measuring the parameters of function in what you would call your organs, and in your being, in order to discover how best to effect this transfer in such a way as to be of benefit to those of Earth while extracting from the Earth the commodity which they desire.
Don
Now, they want to do what to be of benefit to Earthman? Through the knowledge of the tuning of his organs?
Hatonn
They do not actually wish to be of benefit. They simply wish not to be of harm.
Don
And the harm could take place because of the close proximity of their operations?
Hatonn
This is correct.
Don
Would these operations be visible?
Hatonn
No.
Don
But, yet we could be harmed?
Hatonn
This is correct. Vibration would harm.
Don
And then they are planning possibly to make these invisible landings for their own purposes?
Hatonn
Yes.
Don
Do they need something from this planet?
Hatonn
In a way, I suppose all of us who are in your skies need something from your planet. But what they need is more of a physical or Earthly plane than what we need.
Don
What will they use this commodity for?
Hatonn
Power.
Don
What type of power? For their craft?
Hatonn
Yes.
Don
In other words—
Hatonn
Also, my friends, we are attempting to give this through the instrument, but it is different and therefore difficult—as you would take a vitamin pill, sometimes those of other atmospheres find need which they cannot fill, especially in their travels, and within your Earth there are, shall we say, cosmic vitamins which, in the body of the fourth density, are most helpful.
Don
In other word they want to be in close proximity to our surface or on it for refueling purposes in their travels?
Hatonn
Of ship and self, yes.
Don
And in order not to cause damage to the physical vehicles of those upon the surface, they are measuring the precise vibrations of the internal organs. Is this correct?
Hatonn
You have it.
Don
This, then, has [no] real function with your primary objective?
Hatonn
That is correct. We have not encouraged them, yet we have not banned them from this plane, for we do not see enough of a negative effect upon those of your planet to ourselves infringe upon the free will of them.
Don
Do you find it possibly a help in advertising?
Hatonn
We have been rather amused, you might say, at the aid it has been. However, it has played greatly into our hands, you may have noticed, by increasing the confusion factor, shall we say. This is most welcome.
Don
And you then—well, do you anticipate stepping up your advertising by a major percentage in the next year or two?
Hatonn
We have great hopes in this direction. Probabilities increase from 5 percent at this time to approximately 30 percent in the summer of ’77.
Don
What about ’78?
Hatonn
Our probabilities begin to fade, and we cannot give accurate determinations. If we are as successful as we have been to this point, the probabilities will go up. We are hoping that they will go up very steeply. We are hoping that the probabilities will exceed 50 per cent in time for us to give information to those upon your planet before too much of the change of a natural kind has taken place, so that your population may have time for some spiritual preparation. More accurate than that we cannot be without guessing.
Does this answer your question?
Don
Well—I guess this is a long enough session, unless somebody else has a question.