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Thank you for sharing,
I did skim parts of it while still geting in tune with your conversation frequency and in touch with some really nice nuggets of inspiration. I find the vibe in your group really appealing, is it possible to join a session at some point? 
“The mind is like a go-cart with only a gaspedal and no brakes” Loved that comment 
My take on thoughts at the moment,
it’s a phenomena that stimulates attention from the opposite direction of our external impression,
tweaking our ongoing choice of what to make of our life.
When we are using vocal chords we are essentially channeling our vocal personality,
and I find my vocal personality is located more in my belly than in my head.
all said very lightly, not necessarily rightly 
Raz, we have a more intimate group than most online. The quality of our product comes from making sure everybody in the group is contributing, is supported, and has a common sense of mission and belonging. You cannot ensure that by simply opening the door to all, but it is important to be approachable.
For this meeting – our Law of One Concepts Study Circle (started by a former member and former moderator of the old B4!), any working group member can bring outsiders for whom they vouch. If you’d like me to vouch for you, let’s get to know each other. DM me and let’s set up a call.
That goes for anybody here, although the last time I extended this offer, LLR accused me of trying to poach their people, so I wanna say to Patrick that he should feel free to remove this comment without any bad feelings from me. This is their turf and they’re allowed to do exactly as they please without any duty of justice to me.
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Herein lies an excerpt of an interesting exploration of this topic.
The instrument is looking to us for more about this geometry within the mind complex, perhaps how it formulates or relates to thought forms. And we may say as your thoughts often have a repetitive nature there is something of a link between that phenomena and the phenomena of geometry.
This instrument wishes to drill down further into this subject, but remains doubtful of its own ability. We would then bring this to conclusion by bringing focus to the earlier portion of the Ra quote regarding the silence that opens the door.
As this mind complex is a world unto itself, you may fruitfully consider a vast interior space beyond description reflecting anything which it seems to encounter external to itself and reflective within itself. And given that this mind complex is, or rather exists, mostly behind a veil, such that the entity’s experience of its own mind is veiled and unknown to the conscious self, it is quite possible, and frequently the case within the third density, that the entity can become, you might say, lost within its own mind complex—roaming the halls, opening the same interior doors again and again, walking routes in circles, not grasping the exit or the availability of the upward movement or the spiral—such that the entity is bound to time and space, to the rise and fall of good and bad fortune, as you would call it, to circumstance, to growth and decay, to the shifting winds of opinion and energy; the entity is not yet rediscovering the eternity which undergirds all things.
The seeker is instead playing in the field of its mind, as it were, projecting that mind outward onto a world of separation, and taking that world of separation into itself, computing it through the various thought patterns that the mind produces infinitely, each thought an infinitesimal fragment of the whole.
The mind, shall we say, is loud, noisy, bright, and always in front of the attention, it seems, and creates for the seeker an individual identity that is separate from All. The mind is a wonderful and necessary tool for the journey of individuation and return to the One, but as it is an experience, it consumes and creates the identity and conceals the Creator from the self.
It is necessary to evolve the thinking of the mind and refine its patterns to make use of this tool, to engage in deep and considerate contemplation upon spiritual inquiry, to lift the mind from its circular ruts. There is much, much work to do in that department, and it is through silence that the seeker opens the door to that which is beyond the mind, that to which mind and body must surrender in humble acceptance and trust, in order to receive, in order to enter, in order to be made holy and transmuted into the sacramental that the self may go beyond this limit-making machine that is the mind, this comparing and contrasting and categorizing and analyzing device that helps the seeker to touch into that which cannot now nor ever be described.
FYI: “This instrument” is the one known as “Gary.”
My general comment on the zoom call posted above was going to be about the usefulness of understanding the structure of the deeper mind in a bit more detail. But this passage says more than I could have expressed.
You equate thought forms with the deep mind?
It’s a great passage but I don’t think it remotely addresses the topic I was addressing.
Point taken. What I meant to suggest is that it might help to understand thought forms to know where they lie in the overall “geography” of the mind. Beyond the going around in circles of the surface mind is…the deep mind. That’s the connection I had in mind. (Clearly, some thought forms are shallow and some are deep.)
There are other Q’uo passages where a similar question is asked (what the heck is the geography of the mind?) and the answer tends to be handled the same way Ra handled Don Elkins when he inquired about the deep mind. Basically, we can’t tell you anything directly, but if you ask specific questions, we can give you hints. The passage I quoted gives an interesting slant to this. As I read it, it says that the answers are not hard and fast, therefore we cannot present this topic to you as such. Rather, it forms itself as you discover it. This realm is plastic and, by investigating it, to some degree you shape its form. Interesting.
Of course, you will do the same with my statement above, right? You will derive meaning from whatever of it strikes your interest, and your response will to some degree define the shape of your experience as truth, as well as my view of your experience.
Another way to say this is that the mirrors we use are also molded by us as we influence what they report back to us. It seems to me that thought forms are very much involved in these bouncy perceptions. The thought forms solidify the morass of possibilities so that we can stop muddling and get on with things.
For my money, they are often a cheap substitute for deep knowing.
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Sorry I didn’t make the video you would have preferred. I don’t meet the mark with you very often, and I have to learn to accept that. Thanks for explaining what you meant.
That’s my way of trying to expand the conversation.
While we share a larger general interest, on specific levels we do tend to diverge. It’s like we frequent the same museum, but spend our time om different floors. I’m a few months out now from revealing what I’ve been working on for nearly three years. When that occurs, it’ll be more apparent that you’re in one wing while I’m in another.
We can still wave to one another as we pass by.
I would love to expand the conversation, but it’s difficult to expand the video. So it would be easier for me if you just talked about what you wanted to talk about, and let the video’s faults and failures be. That would be so much easier for me to engage with, because then I wouldn’t feel like I’m constantly posting creative projects here only to have it pointed out to me how I didn’t say what you would have said. I promise I won’t treat your creative projects that way!
That’s what I did when I went on about the plasticity of the deep mind and of the phenomenon of knowing itself. But, you’re right that it is a different topic from thought forms.
FYI, I was thinking, when I typed that, about the place in the video where you say you now believe that all experience is a subset of mind, including spirit. I felt that opened up a space for my comments above.
I guess I just don’t follow the leaps and connections you’re making, and so it all seems like you’re pointing out omissions in the video (what would be more helpful, the usefulness of understanding X, etc) instead of expanding upon the video’s subject as a new vector of conversation. This has happened over and over again, and I’m simply pointing out that if you’re looking for me to be a contributor in this exploration, I’m not feeling it.
Okay, I’ll reprogram my internal language processor and see what comes out of it later on. {grin}
51:25 My theory is that the Spirit complex that gives us self-awareness
It is my very strong believe I have always been had
55:28 not think of a pink elephant is to give me an idea of blue elephant
To my understanding it’s not the best approach, I prefer to think pink elephant through to the end
An interestingly formed thought on the topic of thought forms.
Earlier, the one known as R stated that all of the creation was made up of nothing but thought-forms and we find this to be a perceptive point. The original Logos, that Thought of unconditional love, has indeed spun out the light to manifest all that there is. Consequently, each entity is a form created by the Thought of love, and patterned out in the ways of love by light. In that sense each of you is a thought-form, your physicality being less real then your essence as a spark of that Logos.
I don’t know the history between you and Mirror, but I honestly found the post I gave a like and that triggered this remark, like a valuable puzzle piece that fits perfectly with your video. In my eyes, you’d have to be somewhat negatively biased to view that post as some kind of criticism.
just my two cent as someone who’s on everyone’s side 
The remark comes from the classic “Don’t think of a pink elephant” where you will obviously think of a pink elephant, rather than fight this phenomena, the idea is to transmute the unwanted thought into something you want to think about, instead of thinking about what you don’t want to think about. it’s easier to transmute than refute thoughts. Make sense?
Hi Raz, yes, it makes sense. But where you see transmuting I see the opposite. When you mention “rather than fight” it means you didn’t integrate it and fragmented it because “it’s easier”.
P.S. It is not absolute. No need in chewing pink elephant infinitely. Also it does makes sense to switch if you need to fight and you cannot. I said about preference.
Let me provide a real world example of what I’m pointing towards.
I’m walking down the street in my neighborhood, I’m alone and encounter another person that is going to walk past me, the thought of that person attacking me pops up in my head, totally unwarranted as he is simply walking and minding his own business, still, I find the idea unsettling and it disturbs my peace.
Unable to shake the idea, I decide to balance the thought of violence with a thought of joy and find myself thinking of a wedding where me and the person I’m walking past is getting happily married. The idea feels ridiculous and puts me at ease. In this case the solution to my mental pollution was dilution
I’m not implying that this approach is appropriate in every instance, it all depends on context, some unwanted thoughts need practical actions to get resolved, or integrated as you like to call it.
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You’re probably right, there is history and I need to grow up
Please feel free to keep this to yourself if you wish, but I’m curious if you have a sense of what the underlying lesson here is about? Maybe Love, Power or Wisdom?