I came to conclusion it’s not the case. Because in this case I must be who creates everything, with exponential speed. First, it’s pride. Second, in the end I should stay alone in a white room made by myself without you or anyone. Third, don’t you see contradiction? “each of us”
I think it needs to be careful with “we”. As mind is indeed common, and Ra were scanning mind because it’s common. But I have nothing to say about spirit.
I’m so happy to read that someone else also believes that the Original Thought isn’t something that just happened in the past, but it is ONLY and ALWAYS happening NOW! Because ALL Creation IS the One acting in the present moment Now, (i.e., the time/space perspective), the unified One completely includes all distorted past and all potential futures involving space/time. Free-will is the perfect Thought which constantly runs through the Whole One in forms of unconditional Love and endless Light. The Original Thought didn’t just jumpstart Creation in some beginning–it includes all the thoughts and free-will choices within the One’s Original Thought in the infinite Now. I can’t prove any of these beliefs as True Reality because I am only capable of thinking with a third-density mind, but it all makes great sense to me.
The original thought produces our physical reality and also all the densities! And the original thought contains all the potential of intelligent infinity. This is a very different view of reality than mainstream science today which sees the physical world as unintelligent and just the result of mechanical physical laws that can be described with fixed mathematical formulas. I believe that’s a way too limited and shallow view.
Which worldview is correct, the one mainstream society has, the Law of One or some other view? It seems to me that Ra’s explanations of our reality are much more complete than our scientific and materialistic ideas about reality. One reason for my belief is that our material reality is extraordinarily precisely tuned, balanced and coordinated with enormous complexity all the way from subatomic particles to the whole universe. In science the intelligence of the universe is just taken for granted and overlooked and scientists genuinely claim, at least officially, that nature is unintelligent.
With Ra’s view the intelligence of the universe is more easily explained in my opinion. In for example Christianity they also have fairly good explanations such as the Word (John 1) I posted about earlier. To me the advantage of Ra’s teachings is that it’s more precise and based on oneness (it’s even called the Law of One) whereas in the Bible the surface interpretation is of a duality between a created world and a separate creator called the Father/Lord/God.
The original thought containing intelligent infinity also explains as I see it seemingly outrageous statements by Ra such as that the Great Pyramid of Giza was blasted into existence using thought! From a materialistic and mainstream worldview this is taken as complete woo woo and New Age fantasies. I understand that position and I also understand that it might be a result of the mainstream worldview being severely limited and at best only is able of describing the surface of reality and simple mechanical laws.
With Ra’s worldview my interpretation is that the original thought already contains the potential for us to shatter our third density illusion. Is fourth density less of an illusion? I think yes except Ra described fourth density as an even denser illusion. To me that simply means denser in the sense of information density and capacity and that fourth density material reality is way more advanced than third density materialism. I strongly doubt that we will be able to perform the seeming miracles of manifesting pyramids from thought, that’s probably a 6th density capacity, but even in 4th density our capacity will be mindblowingly more advanced than we have today in third density I think.
Christian Dogmatic Theology is best understood through Kabbalah and prophetic experience, and it is also interesting to look at reality from the point of view of the “Six Yogas of Naropa”))) I myself have been struggling for a long time with the concepts of describing reality from the point of view of idealism, it seems that our world cannot be described as an illusion, but if we take an idealistic point of view on reality, then everything converges… Four Kabbalistic worlds and three Buddha bodies to help you)
I think I agree here. It´s like a higher clock rate which gives more capabilities but one should be well-tuned enough for it. Two notes I see here:
1 Service to self manipulates due to resource limit, in all senses. a) Physical needs as food etc. b) When communicating you should be quick enough. You cannot say “let me retreat for some period of time, I will think and I will give an answer”. Reply should be immediate and if you do not do it properly you’re involved in cause-effect relations of the physical world. So you should be efficient.
78.10 These tools were of two kinds. Firstly, there was an awareness of the efficiency for experience of mind, body, and spirit. Secondly, there was an awareness of the most efficacious nature or, if you will, significator of mind, body, and spirit. Thirdly, there was the awareness of two aspects of mind, of body, and of spirit that the significator could use to balance all catalyst. You may call these two the matrix and the potentiator.
c) usual trick is exchange between cause and effect so if you’re not quick you cannot distinguish which comes first in time.
2 Analogy that comes to my mind but which I cannot explain correctly is a highroad. On a road with very low speed one can afford lots of tricks. But it will be lethal for all when moving with super-high speed, even if it’s a truck vs bicyclist. So at high speed one can afford only well-tuned manipulations.
If the original thought is all of reality, then how can that idea be tested? We cannot step outside of existence since we are ourselves a part of it. One way of testing it is within oneself. Our ordinary mind in third density is a product of society which itself is heavily materialistic and built on separation.
The original thought, if it does exist, is directly connected to us! Or more correctly, we are already a part of it. So in theory at least, when we become aware of the possibility of its existence then our conditioned and separate mind is recognized as a very limited and distorted perspective. And this will allow the original thought to operate within us with more full capacity! The test then is to see if that happens, if a new perspective opens up in the mind that pierces through the separate and veiled experience thereby revealing the original thought directly to us.
Precisely. I used to think of higher density with a simple analogy of pixel density of a computer screen. The higher the density the more capacity the screen has (more pixels per square inch). But clock rate is also very relevant, the higher the density the higher the clock rate and thereby the higher the vibration of matter and energy allowing physical reality to become more capable and advanced.
That’s the way I see it also. As I describe it in my previous post. When I wrote there about drones that would be uniformly controlled by one main unit from above, it would all move with in a rigid and idealized way, that would be too “obvious” and too “easy”, as I wrote in the former post. This main unit would correspond to One Infinite Creator. And in my understanding, what I am writing about is the same or very close as what you described as “absolute level.”
I further wrote about the transfer of control to the individual drones, which would correspond to the individual units (by analogy: like a person), and I pointed out that this involves the manifestation of the Law of Confusion (Free Will) and acting in illusion. And in my understanding, this is the same or very close as what you described as “relative level.”
I think, probably, we understand it similarly, but as we use slightly different nomenclature and it is impossible to lay out everything exactly in a few paragraphs (about which a book could be written) to explain everything perfectly at one time and we are talking about things of high abstraction, it is easy to have differences of opinion and some misunderstandings. Anyway, I will admit that I learn a lot by reading you and it gives me an opportunity to rethink things.
Philosophers have struggled with ideas like relative and absolute for millennia. The good thing is that today we have almost instant access to the collective knowledge of humanity through the internet and I learned about a way of looking at the absolute vs the relative. The relative has opposites such as true vs false. The absolute has no opposites! The absolute has only Truth (different from the relative true/false).
And on the absolute level, if the original thought is everything, how can we make individual choices? Maybe similar to what you wrote from the absolute as source it then goes into the relative realm including individual thoughts and choices. But how is a choice made if it’s ultimately from the one source of the original thought? An idea came to me that a choice can be seen as a result of learning something. With the new knowledge the choice is made. Otherwise it would be random action instead of a choice.
According to the channeling information, we are the Creators and the Created at the same time. So I don’t think it’s prideful if we look at ourselves as Creators when we refer to representations of ourselves at much higher levels of Density, which is what I’m thinking about.
I see this as a contradiction and at the same time I do not see this contradiction, that is, it depends at which level I consider it. And how you see it is not exactly what I want to convey, living in “somebody’s own world” does not exactly mean being “alone in a white room.” You are right about what you write, except that you are considering it in part, in this frame of reference you keep you come to logical conclusions, but it is not the full picture.
I find this subjet quite complex and, first of all, thank you for pointing out the weaknesses. I’ll leave it at that for the moment, because the essence of our lives, I believe, is to work on positive polarity, and we specifically live in such conditions (in illusion) that we cannot fully determine what our position is in view of the Creator and other conscious individuals like you, me and others. At this time I will thank you for the discussion on this thread and hope to meet somewhere else on the forum.
In philosophy there is something called compatibilism.
“Compatibilism is the belief that free will and determinism are mutually compatible and that it is possible to believe in both without being logically inconsistent.[1]” - Wikipedia
One problem I found with compatibilism is that it seems to always use mechanical causation where the present actions are completely determined by the past. I believe that’s a false assumption. Instead if there is an original thought and it has intelligent infinity, the present actions are far more than just a mechanical result of the past. Actions can come form both past and future events, and from across the entire universe and beyond. That’s how I see it. Actions can be a result of new creations in the moment which cannot be reduced to simplistic mechanical Laplacian causation.
To illustrate with a simple example what I believe is going on with the original thought, let’s say that a boy is about to choose between vanilla and chocolate ice cream. And let’s assume that the boy’s favorite ice cream flavor is chocolate. If the boy chooses chocolate ice cream then he is just following his preference and habit. I don’t call that a choice. However if the boy gets the idea that different ice cream brands may have different flavors and based on that he chooses vanilla. That’s a real choice. It was new knowledge that led to the choice, even if all of that ultimately came from the original thought. And the new idea the boy got can be more than just a result from the past and be inspired and creative knowledge from the original thought.
This is changing. Here is an example.
Was there something before the original thought? My take on the creation is that the Infinite Creator is the same as the original thought. However I also believe what Ra says here, that first there was infinity:
13.5 Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me of the earliest, first known thing in the creation?
Ra: I am Ra. The first known thing in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.
13.6 Questioner: From this infinity then must have come what we experience as creation. What was the next step or the next evolvement?
Ra: I am Ra. Infinity became aware. This was the next step.
13.7 Questioner: After this, what happened?
Ra: Awareness led to the focus of infinity into infinite energy. You have called this by various vibrational sound complexes, the most common to your ears being “Logos” or “Love.” The Creator is the focusing of infinity as an aware or conscious principle called by us as closely as we can create understanding/learning in your language, intelligent infinity.
The first thing in creation being infinity sounds similar to my idea of Indra’s net being the foundation of reality:
"Francis H. Cook describes Indra’s net thus:
Far away in the heavenly abode of the great god Indra, there is a wonderful net which has been hung by some cunning artificer in such a manner that it stretches out infinitely in all directions. In accordance with the extravagant tastes of deities, the artificer has hung a single glittering jewel in each “eye” of the net, and since the net itself is infinite in dimension, the jewels are infinite in number. There hang the jewels, glittering “like” stars in the first magnitude, a wonderful sight to behold. If we now arbitrarily select one of these jewels for inspection and look closely at it, we will discover that in its polished surface there are reflected all the other jewels in the net, infinite in number. Not only that, but each of the jewels reflected in this one jewel is also reflecting all the other jewels, so that there is an infinite reflecting process occurring.[6]" - Wikipedia
The “jewels” can be replaced by the mathematical concept of points, and the reflections replaced by lines. And the points can be seen as connection points which are nothing in themselves. And the lines can be thought of as relations. And since the reflections never end since one reflection leads to new reflections, infinity going on expanding!
Curiously Ra doesn’t mention the original thought here. Ra uses the term awareness. And can there be a thought without awareness? Maybe not! And then the awareness of the original Logos is the same as the original thought. That’s my guess at the moment.
Glad we agreed here. Let me continue if you don’t mind. I’m adding my understanding. The place we’re are at is not about static state. It’s about (78.20) “what you may call dynamic tension”. If you choose non-acting, the Devil will return you to the acting. As I said it happens due to resource limit. You can will to stay in non-acting state but you have to have will to escape from the Matrix of the Spirit, so it’s considered as acting to non-act. It’s what Jeshua chose.
75.15 We do not imply that this course of unbridled compassion has any fault but affirm its perfection. It is an example of love which has served as beacon to many.
For those who seek further, the consequences of martyrdom must be considered, for in martyrdom lies the end of the opportunity, in the density of the martyr, to offer love and light. Each entity must seek its deepest path.
Also you can read what happened to Moriori in Polynesia.
77.17 In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.
67.28 The Devil archetype represents the illusion of the material world and the appearance of evil but is more accurately the provider of catalyst for the growth of each entity within the third-density illusion.
So when you act you find you can use limitations (faults) of others. An analogy with it is QA. So from the 6 density point of view all is in unity. But in third density some people discover they can use the limitation of others to manipulate them. When such person (who manipulates) finds another one is manipulating him, it’s quite common he wants him to be treated as service to others which causes mind dichotomy. Such dichotomy should be resolved somehow so there are those who choose to rejects rule “treat others the way you like to be treated” what causes closed green ray. So they should insist well enough (95%) on staying on this way.
When one manipulates other the latter finds he should progress with self-development and once he progressed the first one do not gain from resources he spent into manipulation and just lost it in vain. So manipulator can either abandon his way or do some progress as a manipulator. At some point it becomes impossible to coexist and must be divided into into ways where each will live with principles he chose (service to self and service to other).
So third density is about choosing the one of two ways finally. Because of such tension created it’s possible to make further work.
93.3 One might consider the polarities with the literal nature enjoyed by the physical polarity of the magnet. The negative and positive, with their electrical characteristics, may be seen to be just as in the physical sense. It is to be noted in this context that it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet.
Another method of viewing polarities might involve the concept of radiation/absorption. That which is positive is radiant; that which is negative is absorbent.
In the end when increasing density service to self finds himself in a state he cannot go further as any action will lead to polarity loss. It means he cannot develop. But the self-develop programme is stronger so one have to reject his negative polarity.
36.12 There are no [negative] beings which have attained the Oversoul manifestation, which is the honor/duty of the mind/body/spirit complex totality of late sixth density, as you would term it in your time measurements. These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which to our knowledge has never been overcome
That makes sense since service to self causes friction. And it must require a lot of struggle to reach higher densities for service to self, because it’s a “path that is not” or what Ra called it, it’s seemingly working against the original thought which already is in unity.
Service-to-others on the other hand is easier in higher densities! Because that’s an alignment with the original thought and thus has the support of the original thought.
16.31 Questioner: … In a positively oriented society with service to others, it would be simple to move a large boulder by getting everyone to help move it. In a society oriented towards service to self, it would be much more difficult to get everyone to work on the boulder for the good of all; therefore, it is much easier to get things done to create the service-to-other principle and to grow in positively oriented communities than it is in negative. Is this correct? [Inaudible]
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
89.45 It is, however, easier to serve the self completely or nearly so if there is little resistance.
7.15 Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. Their power is the same as ours.
To me, Ra is saying that Fourth Density exists NOW as a dense vibration of positive love on Earth. The evolution of planet Earth from first to second to third density is not an instantaneous event because we can actually observe that the evolutionary process is ALWAYS happening right NOW. Just because our human mind is veiled from fully seeing beyond our limited space/time perspective, there’s every reason to believe that the higher densities are fully engaged right NOW, populated by Beings of denser love and light. Clearly from the work of L/L Research, those Beings from 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th densities are passionately touching humans on Earth right Now. I expect MANY of those fourth-density Beings are our human ancestors who have shed their physical form and embraced the lighter Being of Fourth Density. SomeOne we all know taught that the “meek will inherit the Earth.” Here come the gentle lovers of others in Fourth Density! And I’m sure many of those wanderers are involved with this forum! I believe that HUMAN Beings are just a product of third-density Earth and the human form of the human Being does not survive in the same form on other third-density planets or even in Fourth Density. From what I understand, it’s a whole new ballgame beyond Earth and the game is always Being played Now!
I listened to a lecture by Manly P. Hall where he said:
“We are a little bit afraid of the minds of other people. We do not know what they’re thinking about. We are afraid that they are perhaps planning some secret exploitation of our resources whatever these things may be.” - Manly P. Hall
That’s true! And I came to think of how that is at odds with the original thought. Because both our own thoughts and the thoughts that other people have are the same original thought in action. That fear which seems so justified in our third density reality is a mistaken view.
People often defend fear and say that it’s a necessary function. I think that’s true in lower to mid third density. Telling a soldier in a battle field that he can drop his helmet and weapon would sound crazy. Especially if enemy soldiers were approaching. In contrast, imagine a woman at a peaceful cocktail party wearing a helmet and carrying a machine gun, that would be silly.
So I think, yes fear is necessary, but only up to a certain point. Ra mentions that at blue-ray activation there is the ability to express oneself without fear.
Ra: I am Ra. … The blue-ray energy transfer is somewhat rare among your people at this time but is of great aid due to energy transfers involved in becoming able to express the self without reservation or fear. 26.38
In third density we usually only have the red, orange and yellow centers activated. Full green-ray activation is more associated with fourth density, and blue-ray activation is even after that. So in practice fear will likely remain with us in third density to higher or lesser degree. The key I discovered is that fear is ultimately a false state since the original thought is related to the first Logos as Love that Ra talked about. And also, the One being afraid of itself would be really paranoid.
What if as in some religions or at least according to a few religious believers God created the universe and then let it develop on its own? Similarly the original thought is then according to that perspective the first creation by the Infinite Creator and after that the creation goes on by its own unaffected by the original thought. I disagree with that view since it contains all kinds of dualities that could be true in some sense at a relative level but not on the absolute level. For examining the absolute foundation of existence I want to go back to Ra’s statement:
“All things, all of life, all of the creation is part of one original thought.” - Ra, Law of One 1.0
Notice here “is a part of” instead “is a result of”. I believe that is crucial, and it preserves the idea of oneness. The difficult part is probably that with everything being One, the polarities, opposites and contrasts disappear. It’s a bit like unconditional love. What does that mean? No conditions at all? Here again is the absence of opposites. What about for example evil? It becomes clearer when love vs evil and love vs fear are recognized as belonging to the relative realm. At the absolute level creation starts as infinity. My interpretation is that within that infinity is intelligent infinity which becomes aware of itself as the first Logos and Love, and that this is the original thought. Here is then a possible foundation for unconditional love as the original thought.