Hello. I’ve noticed in the concept guide that orange ray is referenced to personal identity.
What can this identity mean? I know violent ray as ray of identity.
39.10 As you are aware, the violet ray is constant and does not figure into a discussion of the functions of ray activation in that it is the mark, the register, the identity, the true vibration of an entity.
You can look at the matter of identity in a developmental sense. At the level of the first energy center, identity is pre-personal. At the second it opens to include the personal self. At the third it opens to encompass a social identity. At the fourth it opens further to include spirit, and so forth.
A being who can read the seventh can see a “register” of your current level of awareness at these different stages of growth.
If you want to read further on this, this is a small portion of an interesting Q’uo disquisition on this topic.
The eight-chakra system has been discussed previously, and so we will very briefly review that system. The red-ray chakra is concerned mostly with survival and sexuality. The orange-ray chakra, located in the lower belly, is associated with issues of personal relationship. The yellow-ray chakra, or the solar plexus energy center, is associated with the energies of interacting with groups. The green-ray or heart chakra is associated with opening the heart and discovering one’s own sacred nature. The throat chakra or blue-ray energy center is connected with communication. The indigo-ray center at the brow is associated with the disciplines of the personality and work in consciousness, and the violet-ray chakra, which is the crown chakra, is associated with that readout of momentary reality that is expressing at any given moment and is a system readout for the entire energy body that is what we would call the Occidental or Western chakra structure.
The subtleties of the twelve-chakra system can be very helpful to students of metaphysics. It begins the same way as does the Western system, the first chakra being connected with issues of sexuality and survival.
The second chakra, however, is divided in the Eastern system into two energy centers, one of which deals strictly with the self relating to the self. The second of these so-called orange-ray energy centers deals with the self in relation to other selves.
I also have my own perspective on this, perhaps I’ll share it. At the level of the orange ray, you are the part of yourself that expresses your more instinctive, “animal” nature, your personal identity, your temperament, and the physical limitations that shape how you relate to others one-on-one. It is your individual character, the specific configuration of traits you work with in this incarnation. Just as a dog or a cat has its own distinct personality and way of engaging with others, a human being also carries this kind of immediate, personal layer of selfhood. I mean, it is something more developed than the most primitive instincts, such as fight or flight or reproduction and survival of the species (red ray). Many animals, especially domestic ones, already function beyond that level. At the same time, it does not yet reach the level of forming and navigating complex social structures (yellow ray), though it may begin to touch upon this in a more subtle and preliminary way, like a cat or a dog being “part of the family.”
In working with the energy centers, part of the process is to bring this grounded, personality-based self into balance so that its reactions and patterns of relating become harmonized and, to some degree, guided by higher centers, especially the green ray, which introduces unconditional love and a more open, accepting way of relating to others.
The violet ray, in turn, is the totality of your being, the unified state of mind, body, and spirit. It is not something you work on directly, but rather the overall readout of what you are at any given moment. At this level, you still retain a certain distinctness rather than being totally One with All, in the sense that you are a Creator among other Creators and are aware of it, each expressing a unique balance in relation to the others.
Beyond this, one could speak of a level corresponding to white light, beyond the spectrum of the seven rays, which points toward the One Infinite Creator at the eighth level. At that level, there is complete unity, where all distinctions dissolve, and what remains is a single, undivided consciousness, a shared higher identity underlying all Creators and, ultimately, all beings.
Each person would have their own “reading” of how they are working on these six lower levels, from the red ray to the indigo ray, from the physical body and its primal instincts to the unified individual being expressed as the Higher Self. Continuous, ongoing self-transformation across levels 1 through 6 is possible, leading to a qualitatively new expression of the self by maintaining the influence of will from higher to lower layers of mental life, mediated through the centers associated with each ray. The 7th level, or the Creator, here is only a supervisor.
Thank you. I like “the outer courtyard of the heart” and think it is a good explanation.
Couple of unimportant corrections, to my opinion:
Looks like sprit is included from the beginning but spirit has consciousness from third density:
13.21 entering third density, the first density of consciousness of spirit.
30.5 The addition of this spirit complex, though apparent rather than real, it having existed potentially from the beginning of space/time, perfects itself by graduation into third density. When the mind/body/spirit complex becomes aware of the possibility of service to self or other-self, then the mind/body/spirit complex is activated.
The animal family doesn’t look like yellow ray because there is no other-selves:
19.15 Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The second-density concept of serving self includes the serving of those associated with tribe or pack. This is not seen in second density as separation of self and other-self. All is seen as self since in some forms of second-density entities, if the tribe or pack becomes weakened, so does the entity within the tribe or pack.
The new or initial third-density entity has this innocent, shall we say, bias or distortion towards viewing those in the family, the society, as you would call, perhaps, country, as self. Thus though a distortion not helpful for progress in third density, it is without polarity.
The break becomes apparent when the entity perceives other-selves as other-selves and consciously determines to manipulate other-selves for the benefit of the self. This is the beginning of the road of which you speak.
Here there are two quotes:
4.18 The function of the spirit is to integrate the upreaching yearning of the mind/body energy with the downpouring and streaming of infinite intelligence.
19.21 The root of astrology, as you speak it, is one way of perceiving the primal distortions which may be predicted along probability/possibility lines given the, shall we say, cosmic orientations and configurations at the time of the entrance into the physical/mental complex of the spirit and at the time of the physical/mental/spiritual complex into the illusion.
Reformulating what you said, I would say orange ray is indeed can be called as identity ray (and yellow as social identity), but this identity is related to mind/body complex whereas violet ray is related to the whole mind/body/spirit complex or even more to the spirit.
I’d say the orange ray is our animal nature within us, only it’s balanced and finds its place in the bigger picture (all centers), and there’s no problem with that. But if you were to look at yourself as an animal, compare yourself to an animal, in a sense, you’d be equal primarily to the red and orange rays both in they and you. It’s like asking yourself if I greet my wife, I have the same delight like my dog?
Who am I seen as? As opposed to: who am I really, at root and in total? It’s only identity in the narrow third density sense, which is generally the scope of identity as we understand it
Word “identity” is very strange to me. I looked dictionaries and articles, and it’s still weird, maybe cannot grasp. People are very inconsistent and struggle with two opposite statements at the same time:
Yes. I was indicated the fourth energy center, not the fourth density. Awareness of spirit is available in 3D, to those who seek it out.
I would suggest that, even in 3D, when we consider the identity of anything, the “solution” to that question looks very different if we ask with our our outward-looking mind as compared to using our inward-looking levels of awareness. If we see through our heart, the picture can have more dimension to it. And then we can add to that the outward-appearing aspects.
But the degree to which we can do this–rather than just talk about it–is a function of our degree of awareness of inner being and the ways of knowing things through the faculties of the inner self. These matters are seldom discussed, I would venture to add.
4.20 The Law of One, though beyond the limitations of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only identity. All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the Infinite Creator.
In metaphysics, identity (from Latin: identitas, “sameness”) is the relation each thing bears only to itself. The philosophical concept of identity is distinct from the better-known notion of identity in use in psychology and the social sciences. The philosophical concept concerns a relation, specifically, a relation that x and y stand in if, and only if they are one and the same thing, or identical to each other (i.e. if, and only if x = y).
In common usage, for a very long time, the idea of identity is backward looking, that is, you are the same as you were before, therefore you are you. In the sense Ra was intending, I would suggest, there can be a complete transformation the perception of what you are (and were) based upon the usage of a wider range of levels of perception. This is what I was referring to in my first post in this thread.
In other words, at that point, you are not you because you are what you were. You are you because you know that you are more than you were. And even the part of you that sees both of these changes.
As you become operative and and active on deeper and higher levels of awareness, your identity shifts of its own accord. It shifts to align itself with your deeper knowing. However, this cannot happen until we balance our predilections to be overly active in the normal range of human life and identity. In other words, we need to outgrow our personal fixations before we can grow into a broader identity.
(to my opinion)
I can think about identity only as something is same something. From this point of view there is no sense compare something to itself, so only “is” is left. To be. If one’s saying about comparing x and y it’s a paradox, because at the same time it’s statement that it’s different (naming different names) and it’s the same. There’s only “be”.
I’m trying to comprehend what temporal identity is, but it’s the same situation. If something the same it’s the same, it does not relate to time. From the point of view of time yes you can talk about you “x” yesterday and you “y” today, but why calling same thing by different names?
So I can think of identity only as a label stiсked to me. Is it my label? Depend on who sticked. If someone sticked it’s not mine (but he might think it is). If I sticked it’s mine (depends on “mine” meaning). I really don’t see reason of doing it, maybe unless it’s practical use to somehow address me. In any case label and me are different things therefore it’s not the identity.
So I know that I’m less, not more. After removing all labels the empty spirit is left.
So I cannot make identity broader or narrower. It’s is just is.
At least this is how I perceive.
It sounds like you are saying that you identify yourself with what your mind tells you that you are. Am I reading you correctly? Are you being guided by what is apparent to your mind?
To be clear, I am asking this just to establish a starting point.
I don’t think I’m guided, I think I use mind to explain.
I didn’t say I identify myself with something else. Vise versa, what I was trying to explain is that it doesn’t make sense because me and something else are different things when we use language.
Establish a starting point for what?
Mutual understanding.
If I remember correctly, the word “identity” appears in the Ra Material in a certain context:
I am Ra. The Law of One, though beyond the limitations of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only identity. All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the Infinite Creator. The Ra Contact: Session 4 - L/L Research
This passage can be understood as pointing to the idea that Infinity, being One, becomes aware of itself. In Ra’s terminology, this is described as intelligent infinity. From this perspective, we may speak of pure consciousness or beingness, often expressed as “I AM.” In this sense, identity does not refer to a personal or psychological identity, but to the fundamental unity of all that exists.
From this viewpoint, there is only one Infinite Creator, and all beings and experiences are expressions of this unity. What we perceive as individuality arises through distortions of awareness, which allow the One to experience itself from many different perspectives.
Within the Ra framework, the energy centers are associated with different aspects of experience. The orange-ray center relates to the personal self, including individuality, emotions, and one-to-one relationships, and it contributes to the sense of a separate, embodied self with its own character and identity.
However, this personal identity is not the ultimate identity described in the Law of One. At deeper levels, such as those associated with the indigo ray, identity is experienced less as individuality and more as unity with the Creator.
In summary, although we experience ourselves as separate individuals with distinct traits and roles, these are limited expressions of a deeper, unified identity, and at the most fundamental level there is only one infinite being expressing itself through many forms. In this context, “identity” may be understood as the underlying unity of conscious being, rather than a separate or personal self, and as that which remains one despite all apparent differentiation.
By the way, while we’re on the topic, I once came across this piece on YouTube https://youtu.be/48AEnsgd-Z4?si=KlCoY9tA6jdU6ReX. The creator used a quote from Ra in it and I really love both the visuals and the music.
Not sure if the person who made it is on this forum, but if you are, shoutout to you. I keep coming back to this track, it’s really great.
