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These words seem to me to be very carefully chosen:

" There are many ways to acquire adhering karma. There is only one way to relieve karma and that is to forgive. If you feel that you have injured or harmed another, then we would encourage you to go to that person and ask for forgiveness. Then we would encourage you to go to yourself and ask for your forgiveness of yourself.By far, the most adhering of karma is that which is self-judged. Do not fall into the trap of forgiving another but failing to forgive the self. For in a karmic transaction there are two. And the entire transaction must be forgiven before the wheel of karma can stop turning. "

I also looked up the concept and came up with this:

"I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my brother. To forgive is, shall we say, to give love for whatever has been given to you. Thus, there is no condition other than a relationship and an interaction between entities. The desire to forgive is enough with which to begin. If one places conditions upon the forgiveness then one is beginning in a fashion which will yet require refinement, for to truly forgive another one must erase all conditions. There is the giving of freedom by removing conditions, the allowing and accepting of free will by removing conditions. The gift freely given is the one with the greatest value, shall we say.

Thus, if you are able to wipe the slate clean within your own heart and mind then you have truly forgiven. There is much of one’s own experience at being forgiven that conditions one as to what it is to forgive and to be forgiven. If you feel that you have accepted another’s definition that no longer fits that which you wish in your own life pattern then you are free to construct your own definition and to put it into exercise by applying wherever appropriate. And we are aware that within your illusion there is much opportunity for practice."

The first one did not mention clearly what was required in order to ‘forgive’. It seemed notable in missing that point. The second stated forgiveness without conditions to begin with, then stated that if this definition does not fit for you, then you can choose another definition in the immediately next paragraph.

I don’t know what was going on here. I don’t know if Carla and Q’uo agreed. If one of them was pushing one way and another the other etc.

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Hello. Do you think that pronunciation of words is an action?

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Perhaps… Could it depend on the sincerity of the intention ?

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I like when you say things twice Quan so it enters our thick brain :upside_down_face:

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Maybe script broke down :slight_smile:

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The daily quote, it was a very important quote so to be repeated 3 times.. haha no well it wast conscious effort usually I will obviously know then fix.. oh I cannot get over the humour of it, quite silly

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It’s a hat-trick!

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Quan, thank you again. So beautiful

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Thanks flofrog.. what a wonderful choice yes that quote when I first read that it has always stuck with me since, given the profound impact it left on me..

Also it leads nicely to the daily quote about joy.. for the simple joy of being alive of red ray is essential to unlock those other states of joy in the following energy centers, especially green and indigo.

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So interesting. Quand, that you thought of Castaneda’s technique given by Don Juan, which I thought at the time, like early 70’s, so interesting …

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Well im not sure on who Quand is but ill still answer :wink:

Oh you thought of that too, did you read many of his books? What were your thoughts or experience on it? Ive not spoke to anyone that has read them before.
Cant recall if I finished all of them or nearly. A very eye opening set of books thats for sure!

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lol. Quand in French means 'When" and I guess since I use both language the spelling chose Quand over Quan and I failed seeing it, :joy:

So I read the first three books and the fourth literally fell from my hand, I was like totally uninterested but I loved th first three and especially if I remember well Journey to Ixtlan. I read it a second time immediately after finishing it !! The magical beauty of the desert was just…magical !! I fingered through one of at the later books later and had the same strange unattachment but the first three were, for me, as you said an eye opening. I found the latter ones a sort of rehash of the first three and it felt like all had been so powerfully said before.

You know, I found that, having been born right after WW2 from parents who had been famished during the war, I was a very anemic child with scoliosis and other little things so I got from a young age the idea how precious and complex and in fact quite beautiful the inside physical body is. So I think this prevented me from having the courage to try any mind altering drugs, so reading Castaneda’s books and the few passages on mushrooms was quite interesting, lol, but of course it is not the real subject of the books. I was about 25 when I read them and I was already meditating at the time so it went so well with where I was…

The personality of Don Juan is like rising so powerfully from his words. and there is something meditative about all the descriptions of his adventures. Just beautiful books.

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Thats interesting on the Quand, if you re-read your earlier post it makes sense when seeing it as ‘when’ too..

It was different experience of me.. I came across maybe 10 years ago and read via a pdf that had all the books in one document 1400 pages. A bit easier to binge read that way rather than finding the physical books.

Here is link to all the books.. Carlos Castaneda – All Books In One PDF ( PDFDrive ) : Carlos Castaneda : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Just to digress.. while just scrolling through I synchronicity came upon this.. which links to the daily quote I just posted, ill include here not there.
"He said that in the universe there is an unmeasurable, indescribable force which sorcerers call intent, and that absolutely everything that exists in the entire cosmos is attached to intent by a connecting link. " Intent being focused desire..

Now back to your message, yes the descriptions in his books are quite meditative, it really paints a vivid story one that is certainly different than anything ive come across before, how to ties the ancient culture his introduced to in a modern perspective especially is good. More-so you could almost feel you were there to by his words.
Those books certainly gave me many points of meditation and contemplation!
I remember going through a phase of lucid dreaming in a very serious manner for a number of months with help from the book 9 The art of dreaming(an transcripts here too). It was fun for a while..
The hallucinogen part, thanks for that powerful personal insight as you often do.

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Quan from what you said I wonder if I shall not revisit some later books then, thank you.

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If you do please let me know how you go..but then its fine not to finish there are books intuition stopped me from to and I own an have them at home. One of them you know Autobiography of a Yogi.

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Quan, ơn a close subject to the quote you posted today on the primary three centers, red, yellow and blue, I am right now re-reading or newly reading many past Q’uo meditations and I found this one of October 29th 1992 on faith. In fact this one is joint channelling from Q’uo and Aaron, and here is what Aaron says about faith,

I cannot say what faith is. I can only speak about how it manifests itself, and perhaps the prime manifestation that I see is the open heart. This is what I would call the heart of surrender, the heart that knows, “I am not in control. I am not running this show. I do not really understand anything, but I will try to greet with love whatever is put before me. I will try to attend the fear with compassion and allow that fear to dissolve so I may move back into love.” This is the demonstration of faith, not the thinking about faith but the living in faith.

In this way, faith precedes wisdom. You do not need to know anything, just to follow the guidance of your open heart. When you follow that guidance, let go of all need to control and are simply present with whatever catalyst is there in that moment as lovingly as you can be, then the mind ceases thinking about, grasping at, planning, controlling. Then the mind is free to penetrate beyond thought and really understand at a level to which thought cannot take you.

If surrender is a manifestation of faith, then courage, willpower, determination, energy, are all ingredients which make surrender possible. How much harder it is to face the unknown than the known fear. Surrender does not mean saying, “I give up,” and ceasing to express your energy. It means expressing your energy in a direction of love with no understanding of where you are going. You cannot foresee, in your human shells, where your path is taking you. You cannot know what it is that you or another needs to learn.

I would like to use an example here, a being that Barbara has seen as a past life, one that she has agonized over and for whom she has finally found real forgiveness and great love. This being was a Native American medicine man. He taught peace and organized a peace conference of sorts at the request of many others. Beings from many tribes and other races attended. There was one tribe that had great fear, and they came in and massacred the whole group. And then white soldiers on the hillside swept down and massacred those of that tribe, even the women and children.

This being that Barbara was survived all of that attack. He sat on the hillside and asked himself, “What did I do wrong? I brought this together. Somehow I should have known it could not have worked. Look at all the death, all the devastation. Am I responsible?” He had not yet learned the lessons of faith, and so he blamed himself and punished himself in his mind with guilt and remorse, with self-hatred. He forgave the others but he could not forgive himself.

What he did not understand was that this massacre in some way was necessary for them to learn peace. Had those beings come together and formed a peace treaty and signed it, it would have been a very fragile kind of peace. There was not a tribe there that did not suffer from the outburst of fear. There was not a tribe there who could not take those experiences home and say, “If we had peace, this would not happen.” There was no one to blame. Everyone’s fear was involved in it. This was what they needed to learn. They had tried gentler ways of learning and not been able to learn. The peace that was created some few years later was built on that experience of loss, of pain. That loss and pain was an exclamation of the need to open their hearts and trust one another so as not to continue to destroy each other.

Now this Native American, this being, sat there; and he did not have faith. He thought he knew what they needed to learn, which was peace. And he was right. That is what they needed to learn. But he thought he knew how they needed to learn it. You never know. You do not know what another needs to learn. You cannot take another’s lessons away from them. You can only clarify your own energy as much as you can and offer as much love as is possible in any situation and then surrender: “Truly, thy will be done. I do not know anything.” 1 Can you see how your efforts to understand conceptually, to pigeonhole it all and make logical explanations, offer an escape from the far harder task of having faith?

Quite beautiful, isn’t it ?

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Loved that, thank you :folded_hands:

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Thank you, a wonder example, just read to it my son an wife.
Ahh following the heart, I was going to write comments to say further remarks and even include a story but ill leave it to silence.