Q’uotes Discussions

Yes subtly I noticed but given its importance I wanted to bring it to light more incase others may not have seen.

" Regarding emotions/intuition/subconscious, these seem the most agile. However, it must be acknowledged that they never fully touch the roots of the mysteries of infinity (intelligent infinity), nor do they reach high enough to find and prove themselves through the expanding awareness of the conscious mind."

Yes for majority of life on third density this certainly is the case… please see the latest daily quote discussion on before the veil. and now the veil is semi permeable. It may be a case of how you define unconscious by reading that its a more encompassing definition Law of One uses… Given the nature of spiritual paradox, it all can get a bit confusing sometimes… well its all the law of confusion/way of free will afterall :innocent:

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The universe seems to contain a sense of humor.
A mathematician might embrace so many
conundrums, like irrational numbers e, pi, phi, and
distill an immense beauty that escapes those who
find it futile - sure, it may seem impossible to find
all prime numbers, but there’s a joy in seeking,
a joy of process and a laugh as reward to those
with the desire to pursue! If there’s passion
and inspiration, why choose to deny it?

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Nothing to deny. As I wrote:

There is significant value in engaging with mathematics and similar disciplines. Discovering the nature of the Creator through mathematical exploration can be immensely enjoyable. Ultimately, the very notion of self-discovery is inherently joyful, as the Creator would not have initiated this journey if it were otherwise.

Just everyone should understand that the deepest and most complex truths can only be known through feeling. They cannot be fully captured or described through mathematics.

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Q’uo uses terms like conscious mind, subconscious, and unconscious in ways determined by the context. In general, I have come to the conclusion that the deeper we delve into ourselves and explore the higher densities of consciousness, we move beyond the confines of the conscious mind (which begins at the 2nd density level, corresponding to our physical brain) and gradually transition into the realms of the subconscious and unconscious.

To simplify, it appears to me as follows: If I were to read a session with Q’uo discussing the existence of the green-ray center, I would first engage my conscious mind to understand the concept. Next, to test the workings of my chakra, I would turn to my intuition, feeling the energy flow from my heart, thereby engaging with my subconscious, which works independently and shares with me what flows through the chakra.

At the level of the conscious mind, I might recognize the existence of the unconscious, but due to the veil, I cannot access it directly. Nevertheless, I might suspect that it has shaped my entire experience, prompting me to explore the Q’uo and experiment with my green ray center, eventually leading to a question of understanding of the unconscious itself. Guessing that unconscious had created the entire experience and was somewhere beyond the emotions/intuitions flowing from my heart (subconcious).

The veil exists between each level of density and is especially pronounced for us. The triad of lower “negative” centers is separated from the triad of “positive” higher centers. The Creator’s intention for the design of the 3rd density includes this separation, allowing individuals to act with complete freedom under the law of confusion, thus experiencing full separation from the Creator if chosen, without being aware of any intentions of the Creator.

Yes, all existence is based on paradoxes. When we attempt to create a functioning Multiplicity from the One, different, equally rational, and true elements must coexist within a certain consensus, inevitably leading to paradoxes. Ultimately, these paradoxes are resolved by returning to the One.

I accept and approve of this statement and the use of “law of confusion” in this context. However, in a broader context, it is worth mentioning that the law of confusion is the right to have a choice beyond the choice that the Creator represents Itself. This creates the effect of gradual calibrating our choices until they are increasingly based on love and finally coincide with the Creator’s choices until they meld completely with the Creator’s will. Until we achieve this, there will be much confusion because our choices are not in alignment with choosing the Creator, who is, by the way, our Highest Self.

The discovered paradoxes cause confusion because, for example, scientific theory A is correct within its assumptions and produces authentic results, and scientific theory B, contrary to the assumptions of theory A, paradoxically also produces results. This illustrates how different theories can produce valid results within their own frameworks, even if they are contradictory. Such confusion can lead to the decision to integrate the various results and theories into a unified meta-theory, which aligns with the Law of One philosophy.

This type of confusion is slightly different from the “law of confusion,” but both stem from the same source: the nature of the Creator and the design of creation, where everything flows out and connects back into the One.

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The mathematical beauty of various relationships resulting from calculations and transformations, particularly involving constants that describe natural values, can be aptly demonstrated by the pyramids at Giza.

Today, I looked at: The Revelations of the Pyramids

The Egyptians, whether independently or with external assistance, took into account a variety of mathematical nuances that combined in a remarkable way. The relationships in the pyramids’ construction and dimensions show the use of numbers such as pi, phi, and even the speed of light. Their placement relates to their position on the planet, Earth’s place in the solar system, and the entire cosmos. Everything is meticulously calculated.

The hypothesis that the pyramids were used to capture energy is plausible, given their sophisticated design and location. There might even be the application of constants unknown to modern science. It is important to know that full precision in calculations precludes the use of infinities, in the sense in which most of today’s mathematics recognizes them. To perfection, the infinity symbol cannot be replaced by any meaning, it must present some value. And then it ceases to be the very Infinity of which Q’uo and Ra speak.

Ra/Q’uo have presented Infinity as a philosophical concept, rather than referencing a familiar infinity from specific mathematical theories. Which means that, and I will repeat myself here, if anything, it is not mathematics that will be useful for studying Infinity, but meta-mathematics such as Category Theory. But enough about that. There is also another side to the coin. Infinity should not cover up the beauty of finite. Instead of discussing infinity (in any sense), one can marvel at the extraordinary features and relationships of finite.

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Real numbers seem a special case of infinity.
People often think of them in a limited case
of say a few significant digits, i.e. pi as 3.141;
but then the infinite number of insignificant
digits that follow seem disregarded. There’s
inumerable real numbers between zero and
one, like a fraction 1/3 represented as 0.333…
that may get rounded to 0.33 as like a nickname
of some much greater thing touching out to
infinity, insignificantly. Humanity utilizes a
small fraction of real numbers possible, it’s
humbling pondering that.

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Just as directly, it is impossible to represent infinity as a number because then we already have finite. So yes, each number lies on this infinity, which is some aspect of infinity. And I agree that there may be numbers that await our discovery that may be much more momentous than, for example, the discovery of the number Pi and its further, more accurate approximations. It is even possible that some more accurate approximation of the number Pi will bring, for example, some kind of breakthrough to the research of theoretical physicists.

33 is a special number for me. I combine it with love and knowledge. With love because it’s such a callback to the death of Christ, which, according to myth or actually, was supposed to happen to him at the age of 33. With knowledge, it’s such a callback to the master number, representing spiritual enlightenment and higher purpose, which are inherent in wisdom. K.K. is simply my initials. This is such an expression of the desire to break away from the hypnosis of the consensus reality of this social complex and open up to the Higher.

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lol. thi si great for someone like me who in front of a new catalyst feels first laziness and some sort of …nonchalance, lol but then I activate my lazy self to give what we can hope is a proper response, lol

the great thing as you get older is that you are much more tender towards yourself so you allow yourself time to look at different options which one might be best, unlike the passionate reacting of when you were forever an adolescent, lol

thank you Quan for such a wonderful choice over the last eight days as each quote seems to align with the one before.

Also , being 78 and being lucky to have a scrawny body with no need of daily drugs, can’t tell you how much I bless each morning the cells that structure so kindly my old body…
Word of advice, do this right now even you are very young, lol. Those little cells are very kind to us each day…

thank you Quan

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Thank for the wise words of wisdom there… you have such a nice way with words evoking much when reading!
A dance between humour and poignant discussion :laughing:

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ahhh. way too kind Quan, way too kind, but… thank you !!! :wink:

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Whoa Quan, so wonderful.

About 15 years ago I was in a meditation group with a zen monk and, before starting mediation, we would have a long exchange each time on a different question. That day the subject was prayer. I was saying I am not really praying, because in my head at that time ‘praying;’ was more of the saying a fixed prayer, before I realized we were talking of something else, then that lovely monk said, no prayers go unanswered, with that little wonderfully quiet and kind smile he had.

Here is to you Quan.

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Thank you too for response, sounds a great experience.

With that family, it turned out after years had passed … both daughters did end up leaving long term relationships and ended up in a more loving new relationships(one having a few children). One of them and the dad both moved to more relaxing country environments. And the dad did after seeing him some times appear more at ease and loving he wasnt interested in any new relationships, as sometimes will travel down to stay at my parents house. I did not have feeling to share that experience with any of them yet.

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Feeling really weird.

A few different things Coalescing. Medical situation is getting better. So I have access to emotions that were blocked for about two decades. Various insights. Stopped with the pyramid which did seem to have the effect of allowing darker emotions. (Later edit 23rd of September: So I just brought another pyramid!)

Also, perhaps synchronistically. Going on a philosopher who does online therapy sessions of a sort and sorts peoples lives out loads and the person in question has blocked emotions which he is working through on the call.

When I do things I don’t want to do I get more angry than I did, but I am thinking the emotions in general moving about a bit will lead to me being able to make more music. Don’t make music like I used to.

Then see todays Q’uo:

…The positive emotions such as joy, admiration and love of a romantic or friendly nature are feel-good emotions that are hardly ever evaluated or judged. Nevertheless, it is very helpful when working with positive emotions to pay attention to them also. For just like the negative emotions, the surface of a positive emotion is only the beginning of its intensity, its clarity and its vitality, and it is to the spiritual seeker who focuses on such surface emotions such as joy and allows them to expand and, as we said before, to tell their story around the campfire of the self as it experiences itself that the gift of positive emotions shall come.Likewise, when experiencing the seemingly negative or shadow emotions it is quite useful to behold and allow the awareness of these surface emotions to remain, not pushing them away because they are uncomfortable to behold, but rather gazing at this dark color of emotion and asking it to clarify, to refine itself, to become more pure.

Not gonna read this today. Just wait until more settled. Too intense when I did.

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Oh Quan. I really love this one! :heart_eyes:

Indeed, we find our feet can stand firm on what appears to be above ground only after we have truly made the deep choice to believe in blind faith.

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Yes its a great quote. Thanks for the comments

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indeed, so true.

we have to dive in, even if theater seems really cold, lol

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Quan, thank you so much for this one… ( December 26, 2009)
So interesting.

One might deduct then that the more one stays ont hat emotion and refines it, the more it can bring more. Powerfulf for these positive emotions. Powerful for the negative ones too as if the entity refines stays and refines them, the more might come to that entity which migthbe why some may create a deep well of negativity then ?

It makes sense also that once you have expereinced deeply many many emotions in either way, detachment may then come as a resulting conclusion later on ?

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Thank you too…

“It makes sense also that once you have experienced deeply many many emotions in either way, detachment may then come as a resulting conclusion later on ?”

this one question was the source of much mediation/contemplation for me today, I could just see thoughts popping up here an there all sorts of pathways linking to this one, especially connecting to the word detachment.
This transcript instantly stood out… which I explain just below the link
February 11, 2001 - Sunday meditation - L/L Research!
There is generalising here, there are major exceptions of course but with Buddhist or other of the say eastern spiritual paths is that heavy focus on sort of detachment… depending on if work is primary on the higher energy centers but not neglecting but less focus on emotions of the lower energy centers therefore less energy to heart center. Christian paths and Muslim and such its that focus on green ray energy center but less so on the higher energy centers. I did for a time as I read and studied heavily focus on that detachment type… but now its a combination of both. One that this material is aimed at. There is no right or wrong approach as that transcript above talks about. Merely what one feels right for oneself. Given this discussion is relating to Law of One thats where I will focus… please read the transcript for more info as that way I can avoid having a hugely worded response an to keep it short an sweet :wink: Im very happy to do tho, so please ask away for more clarification in another response, for now will just concentrate on Law of One.

With this material, rather than the word detachment I would use being unswayed(as Law of One does). Seeing all as love regardless of other emotions… Its well in my experience with more spiritual work I feel emotions much more deeper and therefore need to keep constantly centered on love, as with this work emotions become more purified and therefore far more powerful… but likewise so does the feeling of love. Consequently with that greater feeling of love aka more polarity then theres a more plentiful supply of higher energy centers too…

These quotes seem a snuggling fit with this discussion…
Its a very long question… here is end of it i do recommend to read all of as it matches the query well too…
42.2
“the result in balance being achieved for the entity which would allow him to remain unemotional and undistorted in regards to the Law of One in any situation much like the objective viewer of the television movie. Is this correct?”

The catalyst of experience works in order for the learn/teachings of this density to occur. However, if there is seen in the being a response, even if it is simply observed, the entity is still using the catalyst for learn/teaching. The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love. This seeing elicits no response due to catalytic reactions. Thus the entity is now able to become co-Creator of experiential occurrences. This is the truer balance."

So this part here “This seeing elicits no response due to catalytic reactions.” its not that you dont eventually feel other emotions they are there more stronger … just that seeing all as love is even more powerful… I can liken it to a frequency you are tuned into so other frequency increasingly have less of an effect. Well until catalyst turns up just to make sure :laughing:

This one too a subpart of question
“The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love. This seeing elicits no response due to catalytic reactions. Thus the entity is now able to become co-Creator of experiential occurrences. This is the truer balance.”

So by contrary to this by blocking and repressing emotions…
42.10
“You may note that it is not our recommendation that reactions to catalyst be repressed or suppressed unless such reactions would be a stumbling block not consonant with the Law of One to an other-self. It is far, far better to allow the experience to express itself in order that the entity may then make fuller use of this catalyst.”
And also here
42.9
“The repression of emotions depolarizes the entity insofar as it then chooses not to use the catalytic action of the space/time present in a spontaneous manner, thus dimming the energy centers. There is, however, some polarization towards positive if the cause of this repression is consideration for other-selves. The entity which has worked long enough with the catalyst to be able to feel the catalyst but not find it necessary to express reactions is not yet balanced but suffers no depolarization due to the transparency of its experiential continuum. Thus the gradual increase in the ability to observe one’s reactions and to know the self will bring the self ever closer to a true balance. Patience is requested and suggested, for the catalyst is intense upon your plane and its use must be appreciated over a period of consistent learn/teaching.”


The first question you asked… fascinating unlike the second question mind just expanded exponentially the first question whenever I read it an attempt to answer just silence comes…

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This approach: “If something rings true to you, fine. If something does not resonate, please leave it behind(…)” open doors to false communication and make mind-based validation impossible, as always it can be said: “well, it seems that one didn’t resonate with you”. RA was answering questions and every single word of theirs had meaning and value, and should be pondered upon. However, with the approach mentioned at the beginning of my post, it’s something else entirely. Here, value and meaning is conditional, dependent on “resonating or not” feeling. I truly do not understand how you can equate this material with the words of RA (by treating it as the same / similar source - Confederation).
I do not know who or what “Q’uo” really is but I do not trust this source one little bit, because of the safeguard they’ve used in relation to their own message. Instead of taking responsibility for their own words / message, they’ve conveyed this responsibility to its recipients, us. That’s not the way of the Light.

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I have to say, because of my buddhist practice long before I came to know of the LoO, detachment was always lurking, lol

Now that I am a t the end of my life, I do see how detachment is creeping in but not due to weakening of will but really because love encompasses experiences that aren’t necessarily biased towards positive but much more respecting any experience from anyone because love indeed is suffused by respect for the other self, rejoining the Budhhist welcome of Namaste.

Needless to say that ti does procure some peace of mind in witnessing any event as you feel, yes htis over self is experiencing this at this moment for reasons that are really unknown to me…

So interesting how love and compassion really meet at a deeper level…

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