Q’uo: For the Ranger Gathering / Für die Ranger-Versammlung

Sorry, but It’s more and more incomprehensibly what you want to discuss?

There could be found this:

  • Patient Consent: The conscious, mentally competent adult has the right to accept or refuse emergency medical care. Thus, always make sure that the patient consents before beginning emergency care. There are three types of consents: expressed, implied, and that which deals with a minor. Expressed consent is made by conscious, mentally competent adults. Implied consent is automatically assumed if a patient is unresponsive or unable to make a rational decision (e.g. altered mental status). To treat a minor, an EMT must obtain the consent of the parent or guardian. If the parent or guardian is unreachable, then implied consent is assumed.
  • Patient Refusal or Withdrawal of Treatment: Always ask the patient to fill out sign a refusal form, including documentation of what was told to the patient and his or her response. However, before this, the EMT should have persuaded the patient to receive care and then made certain that the patient is indeed mentally competent and capable of making rational decisions. When in doubt, ask for medical direction.

Ethical Responsibilities

Advocate for the patient’s best interest at all times, even off-duty.

I thought it is the intension to discuss the difference between the sight of infringement between the confederation and incarnated humans?

You have written that you have choosen to “end this experiment , once, and for all” ?

Hi there tadeus,

Forgive me if there was confusion, perhaps it is due to language barrier.

Before explaining further, I invite you to look at the understanding of “objective vs subjective.”

Objective vs Subjective - SkillsTX | Passion for Potential.

In my response to you about the “911 example,” I was trying to explain it in a “subjective” manner.

Because you asked very “objective” questions,

When using this example we should consider what happens when the helpers are rejected from the one who needs medical help?
Or when there is a medical problem and that the patient is not aware of?

This missed the heart of my comment.
To simply put,

J: “It hurts me to see suffering, it hurts me even more when I hear the calling for help from those who are on this planet, and I don’t want to infringe on their freewill.”

T: “But the only solution is to let go and let it be.”

J: “As someone that can help, it is not easy for me to just let it go and let it be. Like a 911 operator’s responsibility, like a mother’s automatic reaction to her child’s cry, like the uncontrollable flinch when we get physically hurt.”

My comment and example revolves around the pain I experience from hearing the calling for aid from those who are suffering. And this could be seen as a “subjective” expression.


Now for our discussion,
about the objective viewpoint of the “infringement of freewill” between the confederation and humans.

The present form of “aid” being given by the confederation is through these channeling, and some metaphysical aspects. Also with the help of wanderers scatter across the globe.

these are all indirect methods, to minimize the infringement as much as possible.

When I gave you EMT ways of dealing with consent. This is to explain how we crosses the infringement and provide “direct” assistance to those in need.

  1. A calling must be made, or else we wouldn’t know, and cannot act.

  2. Once the call is received, we must determine if the caller is in the right state of mind.

  3. If they are not, then we look for documentation like DNR etc. to determine if we can directly assist them without infringing on their choice to live or die.

With this in mind, we look at the confederation and the saga of this planet/solar system.

The help and assistance through out the entire history of this solar system.

2 planets destroyed, the 3rd is in a declining turmoil, war, famine, disease, and purely suffering.

There seems to be a slight dilemma in the consistency of this help, and the “physical” results that comes from it.

All of this is blamed upon the freewill and choice of the entities on this planet.

There seems to be a contradiction with the “help.” That is all I am saying.


For comment of ending this experiment, I don’t think there is a physical way for me to explain that to you unless you experience it yourself.

But, if we uses the distorted materials from l/l research, I guess you can say that once you become a “logo,” which you will, we all will.

Then at that moment, you can choose how to go about with your creation, with purely sto paths, or sts paths.

OR, a completely different and new way to experience the infinite creator.

I hope this helped, please feel free to ask, if you don’t understand something.

O.K. Please forgive my misunderstanding.
So you did need consolation for your pain and no discussion?

This time i hopefully understand the dilemma.

Maybe there is not a real dilemma from the point of view of the Logos and the confederation?
Just take the view that there can be as much incarnations as needed and the boundary condition that all beings has been put together, that were not able to made the choice and to overcome bellicosities.
Maybe when the next planet is blown from the system, the time has come to build a new one? :wink:

It’s not easy to follow your thoughts, but we are on the way hopefully? :grin:

This is really interesting, thank you both.

To Jayce, I realize that I am really lightweight, because if I respond to a call for help ( and I am not as you a responder) I don’t really think how this creates karmic link to me, I don’t think about it, I just do my best., which is often weak, :joy: But I see how for you this implies so many levels, Jayce… really interesting thread, thank you.

O.K. Please forgive my misunderstanding.
So you did need consolation for your pain and no discussion?

No worries, and that is an interesting point, the pain I experience stems from people I have helped and/or trying to help.

I never thought of needing consolation, but the transferred pain from those who I try to help does reflect within my own words on here.

There are moments where I am “off-duty” and away from the suffering. My spirit animal is Jack Black,
and I don’t take anything serious, and just enjoy all of creation from the lightness of love.

So, I apologize, and do appreciate the consolation being given. :wink:

Maybe there is not a real dilemma from the point of view of the Logos and the confederation?
Just take the view that there can be as much incarnations as needed and the boundary condition that all beings has been put together, that were not able to made the choice and to overcome bellicosities.
Maybe when the next planet is blown from the system, the time has come to build a new one? :wink:

You are right about this, the Logos, and the confederation doesn’t see humans limited “reasoning.”

To them, this is just a speck from the grand and eternal experience.
“There will always be a next time.”

But the thing is,

A united, harmonize and peaceful world, is not absence from the “callings” of this planet.
(Hence, I didn’t like the channeled message that predicted all of 3rd density beings will eventually dies off from war, famine, disease, conquest.)

Not everyone here want this experience of an apocalyptic “end” to the human race, and slowly dying off due to calamities.

There are a lot of people “calling” for a utopic future. Praying for a moment of true peace, a moment of true love and harmony. That is all that is being asked for.

Maybe when the next planet is blown from the system, the time has come to build a new one? :wink:

I feel like they shouldn’t mix sts and sto populations to this extent. This is not helping,

But I do understand that the confederation is also “learning.”

And to that paradoxical intent to “help” mankind, I would say,

“Just jump in already! stop touching the water with your toes! and worry about the cosmic laws!
Stop that sts Putin! that insane Korean and Chinese dictators! help the people here directly! and move all the sts to the planet they belong!”

“Give sto entities here a freaking chance!”

But…

The above quotes are from the part of me that lacks “wisdom.” I have begun to understand my lessons here, and is finalizing them. I do see the wisdom from the 9 of Saturn and of the confederation.

Therefore, I do see the “beyond,” when we all become the “logos” and infinitely create.

It’s not easy to follow your thoughts, but we are on the way hopefully? :grin:

I give you my thanksgiving tadeus, it has been a fruitful conversation between us, and I have learned much of myself, and the blindness I have to the pain I carry.

Other-selves and wanderers might see that I am suffering, or disgruntle, but if it is not too surprising to say this. I am not.

This incarnation has been one of the best experience I have in my eternal existent, it is such a privilege to be here at this time, to be able to participate in the transition and do all that I can for others.

It has brought me much growth, love, and wisdom. I feel the infinite creator ever closer than ever, and it is warming.

And to let it all go, and let it be, so I can be with the infinite creator once more… I would not blink twice to do this again, and for eternity.

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Thank you Flo,

You are not weak, you are stronger than you know. True strength does not need realization, but only the compassionate and eternal intention to help, to love.

You have that, and in your essence, your love shows. So thank you flo, for being

Thanks.

Maybe the point of view of the confederation is, that they have done all what they can do.
If (most of the) people are not able to leave the sinkhole of indifference now, it is maybe the best to reboot in a new incarnation?

That’s correct and my feelings too.
But this people seems to be still a minority and on this planet the system called “democracy” is used to suppress the opinion and life of minorities.

That’s an interesting factor.
Apart from the question of realization, there is also the question of what would happen if fundamentally different “systems of society” would exist?
Wouldn’t this have the disadvantage that those who might still move would be deprived of STO idols?

That would be a disaster for Orion / STS elite and must therefore be prevented under all circumstances.

Again i must ask about the part of us that is an incarnated human?
We cannot really mix the point of view from outside with the point of view within the incarnation.

Maybe you see it as different possible point of views within us too?

Yes - it can be seen as one of the greatest showdowns of Orion that maybe is possible.

Good final words.
The show was not beautiful and unpleasant, but therefore the staging was unique and impressive.

Maybe the point of view of the confederation is, that they have done all what they can do.

They have done all that they can within their current understanding.

If (most of the) people are not able to leave the sinkhole of indifference now, it is maybe the best to reboot in a new incarnation?

The new reboot, the new 3rd, do you feel that it will be the same as this? What are the variables for change? what will be different?

refinement of mixture of the two polarities? thinning the veil to a degree?
How many reboot has it been?

Does the infinite creator prefer a “loop?” no progress?
This was also one of the primary “concerns” that the confederation have.

This is one of the reason why infinity does not “polarize.” There are apparent “progressive” movement in all things, and it serves as a “growth” and learning to refine itself.

The mystery is why, but that is not a question or answer for now.

What we understand is that there are intention for all to move forward.

That’s correct and my feelings too.
But this people seems to be still a minority and on this planet the system called “democracy” is used to suppress the opinion and life of minorities.

Like new chefs in the kitchen, over-doing, and over saturated the “ingredients” for a dish.
There is a correction here that is in the making from those “above.”

That’s an interesting factor.
Apart from the question of realization, there is also the question of what would happen if fundamentally different “systems of society” would exist?
Wouldn’t this have the disadvantage that those who might still move would be deprived of STO idols?

It would be like those of Venus, the complex of experience that is harmonized, but lacked the exuberant “flavors” we have here. For example, like our monetary barter system.

There is a subtle intention of the infinite creator mixing the two paths more intensely at earlier densities.

Why? I do not know, but with my guess, and with imagery of the double helix to assist this thought.
twisting the double helix

The double helix of both polarities are being twisted tighter, and tighter, this causes the “cross-over” to happen in shorter interval rather than in a more expanded double helix.

Not "twisted" as much.

And when you twist it enough, it will become a rope… which is one string.

Hence, this “grand experiment” has characteristic of it all collapsing on it self, “stopping.”

Bringing everything back to oneness, and then expanding again in to a new experiment.

The natural pulsating beat of creation.

That would be a disaster for Orion / STS elite and must therefore be prevented under all circumstances.

The true “disaster” is the dissemination of it-self, themselves. The path of sts is to “selfishly” exist.

The universe has a tendency to be “ironic.” The law of “inversion.”

What is yes, is also no, and what is extremely one way, is also the other way.

sts path is the path that is “not.” Because at the moment of inversion or “flip.” The complete dissemination of itself is the natural consequence of it’s tight grip of holding everything together.

Think blackholes, Think of the moment when it “let go” of all it consumed.

Eventually, as the universe ages, the material around a black hole will run out and its doomsday clock will start ticking. As a black hole evaporates, it slowly shrinks and, as it loses mass, the rate of particles escaping also increases until all the remaining energy escapes at once .

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While sto path leads to oneness, and thus it “create.”
The following is hard to explain in words, so please take what resonate.

The “logos” of sto paths has a “conscious” of a “self.” Thus it create and pushes creation outwardly the way it want to. Like an “Artist” who is free to do whatever they want to.

The sts path becomes to “paint” on the canvas.
Why would sts do this to themselves? one may ask,

Because at the core of their existent, the other half of the infinite creator is the ultimate sts entity, and they serves as the “sacrificial lamb” for the sake of creation experiencing itself.

The truly wise one will see this and switch, before it’s too late.

Again i must ask about the part of us that is an incarnated human?
We cannot really mix the point of view from outside with the point of view within the incarnation.

If possible, please restate this question, I don’t understand what you mean by we cannot “mix” the point of view from outside.

There are no true inside, outside. The “walls” are transparent, that is why you resonated with the materials intuitively.

Maybe you see it as different possible point of views within us too?

This observation wasn’t made internally.

Yes - it can be seen as one of the greatest showdowns of Orion that maybe is possible.

Not sure why you would mention those of Orion, this is frankly not about them, as much as they wished or interpret it to be.

The infinite one is like a child building a lego castle. The lego pieces is only a part of the creation.

It would be strange to say that one piece of lego is having the ultimate showdown of it’s existent.

I hope this was helpful, please let me know your thought and question if you feel inclined.

Thanks again tadeus,

Yes that one type of Lego couldn’t really be the one around all collapses… :wink:

There is a nice parallel discussion here about the reasons of belliciosity.
It’s something like a nice summary of all factors we can experience.

Quo: November 18, 2001
So we do not suggest that it is an evil thing to go to war in and of itself. We do suggest that it is not a productive way to seek spiritually compared to the ways of peace. Yet in many ways your third density will express conflict because that is the basic nature of people who see themselves as separate from and over against others. This is a part of the catalyst of third density. It is a part of the hard lessons of love. And indeed it does move through not just third density but also to some extent, fourth density. For there are those within fourth density who choose to continue as children of light or as children of darkness and continue the clash of polarities. As fourth density wears on, this great love of being a warrior begins to evaporate, as love is better learned.

Maybe there will be a difference when an incarnation is outside of such an monkey body on another planet/sphere?

I would say this can only be found outside the influence of the logos of this planetary system.

The loop seems to be necessary until the choice has been done and certain aspects learned.

Hehe - the current problem seems to be that this does not apply to all.

The venus has not been a planet and society build of different beings, that has been put together because they have failed in their individual progress.

Yes - but it is necessary that a being first understands this principle of polarities.
(Here the hermetic principles are nice.)

Really interesting and i am not sure if i have grasp it.
What would be the painting of STO in comparison?

Yes - what i want to say is that an being must learn first to be aware and to include different point of views, specially of the polarization.

Yes - it is a question of the higher self or Ego.

You don’t believe that there is a central intelligence behind what happens on the planet now?

tadeus, there might be some law of confusion being applied, so please take what resonate.

I see there is a seeking, an understanding, and questioning of bellicosity, of polarity, of Orion within your context.

I do want to remind you that I am speaking from a place of oneness. So within this perspective of mine, I don’t feel the conflicts you seek, between polarities, between warring, between the self, and between conflicts within 3rd density.

“All is well” despise the things we conversated.

There is a nice parallel discussion here about the reasons of belliciosity.
It’s something like a nice summary of all factors we can experience.

Thank you for sharing this, I read the entirety of the response from spiritualchaos, and that was very sound and resonated, since it was complete.

If I may, I would suggest you reading their response and comparing to the selected quotes that you dissected in response to spiritualchaos, to reflect and contemplate on your viewpoint.

Maybe there will be a difference when an incarnation is outside of such an monkey body on another planet/sphere?

I am not sure what you mean by this, do you view our current “human” vessel as inferior?

I would say this can only be found outside the influence of the logos of this planetary system.

The current logos of this planetary system (solar system) does mix sto/sts entities together into one playing field, and the “veil” does thin by those who are dual body, adepts, and nde. etc.

I am not sure what you mean by “only found outside the influence of the logos of this planetary system.”

The loop seems to be necessary until the choice has been done and certain aspects learned.

the “loop” I spoke of is one without progress. Hence, it is not a “true” loop. So your comment is still within of the context of what I was trying to convey.

Hehe - the current problem seems to be that this does not apply to all .

It does, even if you get “recycled” into another 3rd, that is still moving you forward.
Therefore, the intention for all to move forward is there.
No single part of the infinite creator will be left behind.

Perhaps, the “problem” that you see is within the “progress” of each individual entity. Some graduate, some won’t. But eventually all, will.

The venus has not been a planet and society build of different beings, that has been put together because they have failed in their individual progress.

To me, there is an awareness, a choice, and service.
I don’t see this “failure” that you imply on others’ progress.

Yes - but it is necessary that a being first understands this principle of polarities.
(Here the hermetic principles are nice.)

Understanding the principles of polarities serves as sign posts, traffic lights, and street names.
The driver, the heart (engine) of the vehicle, is the “core” component for making it to the “destination.”

And in that, for me, is love.

Really interesting and i am not sure if i have grasp it.
What would be the painting of STO in comparison?

I apologize and please allow me to correct this sentence, there was a typo.
“The sts path becomes to “paint” on the canvas.”
“The sts path becomes the paint on the canvas.”

The sto path is the “artist,” the “painter.” And the sts path is the “paint” itself.
sts path essentially serves as the substance for the creation to have “abstract,” so it can experience itself. It is a “part” of the creation, not the creator.

I do not wish to confuse you, and do feel that this analogy does have elements of confusion imbedded in itself.

If I may, I would like to ask you to observe the difference between Creation and Destruction.
It takes a loving, self-aware, and creative entity to “create” something. To destroy, you simply just smash it without thought, without consideration, the defining nature of the two can be seen which path is the one that is “not.”

Because, without creation, there wouldn’t be anything for you to destroy in the first place.

Yes - what i want to say is that an being must learn first to be aware and to include different point of views, specially of the polarization.

To be aware of the self is to be aware of the infinite creator, choosing how to serve the infinite creator has no “inside, or outside.”
Again, I see things from the perspective of oneness, without separation, so this might not be align with the question and comment of “one must learn first to be aware and to include different point of views, specially of the polarization.”

I feel this is a personal experience, hence there are different and confusing perspectives in our conversation with this subject, I kindly suggest that we leave this question behind, and contemplate from within.

Yes - it is a question of the higher self or Ego.

I do not understand this statement. The “higher self” has to do with the metaphysical nature of consciousness experiencing itself beyond the borders of dimensions (densities) and time/space, space/time.

The “ego,” is a psychological vocabulary coined by the Psychologist Sigmund Freud.

These two terminology are distinctively different in it’s nature and application.

You don’t believe that there is a central intelligence behind what happens on the planet now?

This question strike at the previous comment I have made about the “lego block” analogy.
I assume that the “central intelligence” you speak of is the infinite creator.

Your focus on those of Orion within this context elevates their importance and their “role.” In the overall experience on this planet. This focus question also has been brought up in the conversation you have with spritualchaos.

So it is an really easy play for Orion to initiate belliciosity and wars.
parallel discussion here

I am not sure if I can help you with this seeking and/or perspective. I don’t feel drawn or want to dissect their actions at this time, as it is not productive in my effort to help others.

I would like to focus on how to bring more hope and light to people that are suffering, rather than giving them an “enemy” to blame.

But please do ask anything you would like tadeus, and where you focus your seeking is completely free from my opinion, or others’

Yes that is true flo :green_heart:

“inclusiveness is the key within”

Without editing the original comment, there was a typo I caught, this happen from time to time, along with textual ellipsis. Sometime they happen when my thought is faster than my hands, or when I am multi-tasking with work/life.

please feel free to point them out if you see them, or question.

“All is well” despise the things we conversated.

despite

I apologize if it caused confusion to you tadeus, and/or others

Of course - this is an discussion forum. :grin:

It is possible to choose the point of view - Oneness and 3rd density Ego.
The feelings are dependent on the point of view.

Your “All is well” reminds me on the channeling: Q’uo on the Slogan “All Is Well” and the Stakes of Evolution

What’s wrong to try an interpretation to the current time and events?

I only want to point out that each vessel has it’s own properties.

You have already answered your question, because we are talking here about the specific boundary conditions of this planetary system /solar system that will cause certain effects.
So outside of this planetary system you will find other boundary conditions that allow other possibilites for growing and experience.

What i want to say is that i don’t believe in endless loops like in a machine.
(Even every machine breaks down at some point and the loop ends.)
Everything is a question of time that is maybe needed by an individual.

I would say we are talking about the same, but slightly at cross purposes.

Yes - that is the relevant point.

This makes much more sense for me.

This is a logical conclusion that follows from this.

Please forgive any critics, but when there is only the perspective of oneness - without separation, we must analyze the separation of feeling the suffering of other selves.

Yes - it is possible to be aware of this distinctively different awareness as point of views.
Let us define the Ego as an illusion of the brain.

So it seems you don’t agree to the role of Orion like explained by those of Ra and Q’uo.
You can use different names for them, some call them Annunaki, other Archonts, even there is a slightly different meaning.

There is no help needed - there is only discussion possible, that will offer different perspectives.

Words are always only an incomplete reflection of thoughts and elemental pictures.

Another meaning in a video for discussion:

The message is always, and will be the same. Those of Q’uo are our brothers and sisters of sorrow, they see the same “expression” of the infinite creator as we do.

What’s wrong to try an interpretation to the current time and events?

I can only touch on this ever so lightly. It is purely your freewill and choosing on how you seek, as we are infinitely in the process of seeking. Both you and I are “aware.” And because we are aware, we seek.

Therefore, there is no “wrong” in your trying. We only offer you the possibility of a “bird’s eye” view of your seeking.

Everything is a question of time that is maybe needed by an individual.

We offer you the perspective of the thought of the eternal awareness of “consciousness.”

If you are always “aware,” and your consciousness is eternal, is that a loop?
Or is that the infinite creator? is the infinite creator a loop? or a infinite linear progress?

To explain this concept in this density, the law of confusion will be applied.
This is something I do not wish to do, we do not wish to confuse any seekers.

But we would agree that the perspective of the “loop” with the understanding of humans machine, and perception of “time” from this “illusion,” is valid.

Please forgive any critics, but when there is only the perspective of oneness - without separation, we must analyze the separation of feeling the suffering of other selves.

I do apologize, and I do grasp this perspective. The only comment that can be provided at this time is that… When we pinch ourselves, do we know that this is the similar pain that other-selves feel?

How do you know the color “green” is the same “green” that other-selves perceive?
How do you know “love” is the same love that other-selves experience?

There are no separation tadeus, you just “know.”

Therefore, the separation is only a “thought.” An illusion. The “paint.”

https://rochester.edu/news/show.php?id=7582
I would like to share with you this research article.
In this study, they explore the relation between the brain and it’s ability to “see” it’s own hand in the dark. Interestingly, one of the participant has synesthesia (the ability to experience one of your senses through another.)

I would like you to possibly find your own answers, so we will not speak more on this.
Please forgive me if it feels like I am leaving you hanging on this topic, or if it is confusing.

As this is a “personal” experience, and I do feel strongly that you will arrive to an understanding.

So it seems you don’t agree to the role of Orion like explained by those of Ra and Q’uo.

We first must ask for forgiveness for any confusion and misunderstanding this may invoke.

… This planet is truly “unique” and “special.” It has attracted many students, many teachers of all densities, and octaves to attend meticulously, to take note and to learn. As this experience progress, humans will realize more and more that they are being watched by other entities from the cosmos. This will not just be of the confederation, or the orion, or just those who partake in the game of polarities. But truly, a new “show” of the infinite creation, that many of it’s audiences are eager to watch.

Without giving the impression of just “ufos” and “aliens.” The entities that are here to witness this event are beyond the infinite ways to describe, but all are expression of the infinite creator.

What we, and those who are here at this time to witness… is the “decision,” the “choice” of the infinite creator for the game of polarities.

The mechanism of “polarities,” of “separation,” is something that has been in a “loop” for a significant amount of “time” or “experiences.”

But this is not without limitation, to simply put, the entire experiment is ready for a new set of rules, and playstyle.

The experiences from service-to-self path has offer tremendous possibilities for the infinite creator to enjoy, to explore, and most importantly, for creation to experience itself.

For the service-to-others to have the opportunity to “be of service.” These two paths are two sides of the same coin, and they need each others, more than you know.

but the “items” on this menu has become redundant. The “cat and mouse” game, the repeating “loop” of one side seeking domination, conquest, destruction, and the other to liberate, to save, and to love.

The color of this “paint,” has given the “artist” a good run for the price.

if this experiment repeats itself like Maldek, like Mars… And the many, many other planets that Orion have destroyed or enslaved, or the countless number that the Confederation were able to save, and liberate.

When you say “The ultimate showdown for those of Orion,” you are not wrong.

We would like to add to that, this is not just about them, but this is about the entirety of the service to self path.

This path, although has been significant, but the “methods” and “results” has not evolve.

Destruction, Pain, Suffering, Enslavement, Conquest, Selfishness, Complete disintegration of the mind, body, and spirit complex (nuclear bomb.)
That ultimately requires extensive healing and assimilation.

This service is in need of an evolution, or it will be refurbish. Reconsider.

The name of the game is impermanence at this time, and this for all of creation, and it does not blink at service to others, or service to self.

If those of the Orion and sts entities do not find a “novelty” with their service to the infinite creator at this time. As the “result” of their nature is ever the same, of suffering, pain, and enslavement.

Then this is their end.

We do not say this as they “deserve” this, although it is ironic that the path that seeks destruction, ultimately is rewarded with it’s own destruction.

But we do remind all that is seeking, that is with the service to others path, to recognize that those who are on the service to self path, are our brothers and sisters.

They are no different than you and I, and they too, deserves to be loved.

It is not a coincidence that you want to mention them, to learn so much about them, as they are soon to be “history.”

To be truly that special lego block that they always aspired to be.

It is absolutely heart-breaking, to witness entities that have done all they can and desire to be their own infinite creator through sheer will, only to realize they always has been. But it took self-destruction, for the realization of such possibility, and it is truly a magnificent experience for the infinite creator to have.

We must stop here tadeus, as this could infringe the freewill of others, and the only thing we could leave other-selves with is that…

In the irony that all is impermanence, is it soo surprising that the “paths” themselves are also impermanence?

But which path? Well, the one that has the least distortion. The one that cannot exist without the other.

There is no help needed - there is only discussion possible, that will offer different perspectives.

Of course, you have always been talking to yourself tadeus,

“from the place of oneness” - my dear self. :green_heart:

April 20, 2022 - C/C channeling circle - L/L Research
Q’uo:
This is the primary reason for the disclaimer that we offer, and is the foundation to our approach to honoring free will as we interact with planets such as yours. The foundation comes from a desire not to string planets along, necessarily, to adopt them into our view of the universe, but to support them in discovering their own view of the universe. This may be done by sharing what we have discovered upon our path. But we do not believe or wish to convey that our own view of the universe is the only view; the Creator has many facets and aspects that may be discovered by each social complex and by each individual upon their own paths. To limit one’s discovery of the universe to those words that we share with you would be to limit the Creator itself. This is not only undesirable for us, but indeed it is impossible. In an attempt to place such limitations upon the seeking of other selves, we have discovered that this creates further distortion and necessitates restitution and restoration on the part of the entity or entities that were influenced in this way.

To reinforce this layer of disclaimer, we have limited our interactions with your planet significantly, and a primary means of communication has been found within channeling circles such as this. For in offering our service in this way, there are several benefits that helped to reinforce the desire to honor the free will of your peoples. One benefit is that when channeling with a group such as this, there is the interaction between the instruments and us, the source, in a way that allows us to be filtered through a cultural understanding held by the instruments and the group. We benefit from the perception of the instruments of the world, in that it informs the information that flows through each instrument, and informs us of more creative ways to convey information with accuracy as we grow in relationship with instruments such as you.

I can’t find any dogma for the third density.

It is possible to be aware on many facets that are presented in this third density.

Is this a quote or are you directly a part of the principle of Q’uo?

My interpretation is that the brain is able to develope a good coordination for the movement. This includes a visualization of the planned movements.
Without that it would not be possible to do any movement without optical control of the eyes.

Yes - this choice is to serve STS or STO.

Talking to myself i don’t need a forum in the internet.

Back to the topic of this thread here is an important part of this channeling:

July 16, 2005 - Special meditation - L/L Research
Q’uo:
We have called ourselves Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow because we are the Brothers and Sisters of the unremitting sorrow of Earth. And why do we describe it as sorrow, my friends? It is due to the increasing heartfelt suffering and woe experienced by those who have attempted repeatedly, over and over, to awaken within the dream of incarnation, to remember who they are and why they are here, and to take hold of their intention to become fully conscious and awakened creatures of love. The yearning has not died at all among your peoples. It cries out in its yearning to be a part of the awakening to love that the very planet under your feet is experiencing. Yet again and again there has been the seduction from love to fear, from unity to disharmony, and from that incredible experience of working truly together for common goals to the voices of division and hostility.

You have, in fact, through repeated exercises which have ended in empire, warfare and division, been trammeled and beaten down by those which have seized power and leadership upon your sphere to the point where your entire planetary sphere has been placed out of the normal stream of time/space and space/time onto what this instrument calls a time lateral. It is a kind of shunt where a train can move away from the main track until it is repaired. Your planet, in short, is undergoing repair and this not simply from one or two repetitions of empire but from, let us say, at least half a dozen majestic and substantial experiments in empire. Again and again those entities within your population who are inspired by the one infinite Creator have called the people of this planet to the reality of your unity as humankind to their planetary responsibility, each for the other, in love. These clarion calls to ethics, virtue and the higher morality have been heard and many are those who have been inspired to seek the one Creator and service to that Creator. Yet again and again the forces of fear have seduced entities enough away from the hewing to the light that the light has been unable to establish the kind of energy within your planetary sphere which would begin to accumulate mass of a spiritual kind, of gravity of, again, a spiritual kind or metaphysical kind.

At this point, the time allotted for such a time lateral is through within the next very few years. The opportunity for graduation to be a part of fourth-density, positive Gaia shall be over. We rejoice to say that this final effort of those who are ruled by fear and who wish to create what this instrument would call Armageddon has failed. This time, although the vast majority upon the surface of your planet are deeply confused, they are not fooled any longer. They do not believe any longer in the truth of those who speak of division, hostility, control of resources, and the advantages of war. These forces are certainly disorganized and puzzled. However, on a planetary level, at the level of the heart, there begins to arise, as this group was speaking of earlier, a feeling that is growing throughout all of the continents and all of the populations of your Earth. There is a growing knowledge that humankind is truly one. There is a growing awareness among ordinary, everyday people that the leaders that have been given power have misused it and are not to be trusted.

This basic breakthrough is recent and is indeed a product of many groups such as this one which have attempted to speak their truth with power throughout the last forty to fifty of your years. Great waves of entities have come among you and have begun to remember who they are. They have shared humor, art, stories and songs. They have lived lives that have inspired many. They have loved in ways that are as individual points of light that have begun to anchor, in a very real way, fourth-density values even in the apparently hostile fields of your civilizations.

It includes what the Q’uo understand under the “Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow”.

March 2, 2022 - C/C channeling circle - L/L Research
Q’uo:
However, it is possible, my friends, if one has the bias towards protecting others, and they do so without engaging in attitudes of separation and see the aggressor as the Creator, and yet, do everything in their power to minimize harm in a situation, up to and including using similarly violent acts to prevent further harm, it is possible, yet a rare scenario upon your planet.

We emphasize that this is quite a rare occurrence. For as you may understand, this is an incredibly difficult attitude to maintain within the confusion of third density. For there are not only cultural biases, but biological biases within the self that promote an instinct of survival, of protecting the pack, the tribe.

And so, we find that it is much more common that any act taken in reaction to aggression, to protect the self and other self, likely must be reconciled, at some point within the self, as an act that separates. And thus, a positive entity must reflect upon their reaction in order to reconcile, and bring love and forgiveness and, if it is found necessary, restitution to one’s actions. This is how one may engage with the attitude of bellicosity with the protection of self and other-self while upon the positive path.

March 9, 2022 - Intermediate channeling circle - L/L Research
Q’uo:
The primary difference between this thought-battle and what you may experience in third density known as war, and the concept of bellicosity, is an attitude available to those of fourth density that allows these entities to see the Creator within those whom they are defending against. And thus, the actions that they take are based primarily within the green ray of universal love—that love being manifested as protection against enslavement and the preservation of free will.

This attitude is an incredibly difficult attitude to manifest within the third density, for the veil [is intended to] prevent an entity, who may take up defensive attitudes, from recognizing the presence of the Creator in any situation. The mechanisms of survival and tribalism are primary aspects of the catalyst that you experience within the third density. And in a moment at which one’s life is threatened or one’s loved ones are threatened, the Creator and thoughts of the Creator are generally outside of the reach of an individual, who instead feels a swell of survival. And an act that, in the end, may be based upon love of another, in the moment is undertaken with an attitude of separation that may be manifested as anger, as fear, or as even thoughts of revenge and retribution.

It is not, what you may say, impossible for a third-density entity to partake actively in defense of high ideals, such as free will and the preservation of loved ones, and maintain an attitude of unity, even in the midst of such battle, as you would say. But we reiterate that this attitude is one that is much more present within the fourth density. And when bellicosity finds itself manifest within the third density, there is much more catalyst for the third-density entity to work with in terms of discovering the heart of self and how love has been blocked, how conditions have been raised because of the illusion of separation and its strength within the third density. It is through this illusion, and through the ways that it manifests in response to things like bellicosity, that such circumstances, as dire and significant as they are within the third density, may hold the key to opening of the heart and of discovering a higher nature of service to others for the positive individual.

This is the only question, therefore this is the only thing I can speak upon.

I have looked up this quote and try to see if those of Q’uo have spoken as such, but there weren’t anything in the archive.

To be honest, I have questioned my “identity” in the past (before remembering.)

What I got was the “essence” of my being, the “awareness” that is beyond this illusion.

Who I am for now is Jayce.

Who I am, or “we are” beyond this incarnation need no names. Those of Q’uo and those of Ra, and the confederation of planets are defined by the “names” given to them by those who are here.

It is impossible for me to “speculate” beyond that, nor do I wish to.

It doesn’t matter to me who I am “a part of” or not. I am aware of myself and I place my trust in the infinite creator, thus is my faith. Therefore I have no fear.

Beyond this veil, the “essence” that I’ve felt of my being is to serve and to “be.”

When I first read the Ra materials, the Q’uo. It is not only this “knowing” that resonated with me.

But it is the perception I have of this existence since I was young, very young. (Maybe 6 or 7)
That all comes from one “soul.” One being.

Not only from a subconscious level, but even on the conscious level, it gave me an understanding that what I knew at the age of 7, was true.

In tandem with my close brush with death, and with many timely “coincidences” in my life. I do not have any doubt of my service to others, or what I need to do.

When I “let go” of separation, of identity, there are no veil, no distractions, no obsession to “magic” this, “magic” that, or in a hurry to be anything else other than who I am at this moment.

All that I ever needed, and is, is right here. I feel the love, and the contentment.

With that, sometimes I do speak from the “awareness.”

I don’t stop it as long as it is align with the message of love, hope, and unity. So far, the awareness has not given anything “less of” to me, or come across my waking consciousness with feelings of negative.

Who I am, or what I am doesn’t concern me.

To those I come across, I just hope that they may contemplate their essence of love
“Do they feel loved today?”
“Do they feel alone in their seeking?”
“Do they know that the warm and gentle smile are always there to be felt,”
“Do they know that by ‘being’ here, is enough in the eyes of the creator,”
“Maybe, for a moment, to look up, and feel the radiant peace, like the gentle sun, and a gentle breeze on one’s face.”