Law of One music (open project)

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It’s kind of a trick question because the Law of One contact, that is the ‘God’ of this space in a sense, would not criticise your poetry here.

To me personally, it does not align with my understanding of the Law of One though. I would go in a different direction. But that’s exactly how it is I am a different part of the Creator. The hallmark of the Creator is variety (54.7).

As Kenturi said. The poem states that you are taking the ‘high’ path as a service to others entity. But I think the service to self is far bigger on the ‘high’ path. It’s all about suppression and eliteness.

Also, this whole ‘breaking the chains’ thing. Again, drawing off William Blake, this is not how the negative sees things, and this is not even how I see things, although it might be in the Law of One (48.10). The service to others often end up living with the acceptance of a kind of divine oppression. Where the most domestic boring tasks become spiritualised.

The law of One does mention the service to self polarity in beautiful terms a few times. Such as when talking about the moon archetype, (80.15) and things like 77.17.

Two roads wind through the endless sky,
One holds the weight of “me” and “mine.”
The other sings with hands held wide,
A voice that whispers, “yours and mine.”

This is my thought:

Walking on the road, with a gun in your hand,
A man told me something I don’t understand, about this place.
A lion roars in some hill far away,
It’s only a few hours, till break of day, we might soon be in a chase.

So it sets up that the individual has power in the first line. So if you have a gun, you have a moral choice to make. Someone told me something about this place, so I don’t have all the information.

The lion could be a threat, we could be trophy hunting, we can make more of this polarised decision later.

Is the lion chasing us (STO wisdom, how do we stop that), or are we chasing the lion (trophy hunting, STS, killing an innocent animal).

This brings it all out in a subtle way. We can then build on this story to talk about the gains and losses in the situation. The decisions we have to make. Without identifying it directly and crudely.

Just my thoughts.

At the risk of wandering further off the path, I have a creative process question for you. Do you use AI to create your songs? If so, at any point in the process does the music come through your body, ie. your voice or playing an instrument. We are all so different, I’m just curious if that’s the case and what that feels like for you. I’m a visual artist and have always needed to feel the clay in my hands or hold the pencil or brush. I have not been able to easily connect to the flow when creating in a digital space.

These are interesting questions.

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Hey Phoenix,

Regarding the lyrics you commented on,
after the discussion of STS and STO in this thread, they where discarded and replaced with the ones in “Lift us Higher”.

quoting most of the discussion me and Melissa had over PM :slight_smile:

Fair enough, I understand that it can be a bit of an acquired taste :slight_smile:

I really does, even if it’s in waves, like most things in life, and yes, “a kind of tool for divination” does feel accurate on some level for me.

No problem, thanks for reaching out and participating :green_heart:

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OK, I didn’t get the first bit with the lyrics being replaced.

I asked DeepSeek to make me a poem on looking for a job, it did so in an extraordinarily beautiful way. The line about constellations gets me for some reason.

The clock gnaws its hours, but the hands refuse to turn.
Your name circulates in the drain of We’ll keep you in mind.
Each resume, a paper crane,
wings folded but never flown.
Sunlight lacquers the blinds—
another day unspooled as static.
You memorize ceilings, their hairline cracks
mapping futures that refuse to bloom.
The coffee cup’s dry throat accuses:
What have you poured today except doubt?
Your skills fossilize in the coffin of Experience required,
a language rusting on your tongue.
Outside, the world hums with engines.
You tally coins like rosary beads,
praying the math outlasts the month.
Even the plants wilt, rehearsing your hunger.
But nights, you carve constellations from job boards,
squint at pixels until they flicker—maybe.
The moth in your chest still circles the dim hope
that work is a verb, not a tombstone.
So you rise. Ink your palms with new numbers.
The hours yawn, but you stitch them into sails.

I have not used DeepSeek for a long time and now, on the website I used it it is behind a firewall. I wonder if this is a higher level of competency than other AI’s in this specific area. But probably not.

For me personally, I don’t use AI for any creative work because that defeats the point of the creative work for me. I’m not trying to gain in terms of sophistication and articulation at any price. I am trying to say what the creativity is trying to say and I am happy with my own song that is not nearly as good as another performer that used AI.

At the end of the day, if I write a song about my sister, and I have written one, and AI writes a better one. The fact I have a real flesh and blood sister makes a bit of a difference to me.

In terms of songwriting, I don’t actually songwrite without my guitar in my hands. I don’t know what the music is going to say when I do. I CAN come up with beautiful lyrics outside the combination with music, but I can never then add music to them. When I play the lyrics created without guitar in hand sound off.

So I would never be able to put that little verse with the lion in it to an actual guitar.

So the music I make with a guitar in my hand is kind of like channeling in a way. Partly because I don’t know what it is going to say and it usually offers some sort of vulnerability, or insight, that I had not intended.

This makes it harder for me to actually improve my music in any way. I can’t go out and sit on the beach and write music. I can’t play with making long poems then shortening to the bits I want. The only way I can think of is to have poems ideas separate from the creation of music and hope it seeps through.

Like, I have a fantastic idea of making a song about our current Prime Minister in the UK called ‘Mr Mediocre’. Along the same lines as the Kinks song ‘A well respected man’. So I can think on that in my own time and come up with ideas. But whether it actually translates into music when I am holding a guitar does not feel like it is my choice. Because it is a mental idea and music comes from feeling, previously I have not been able to make that song.

What AI can do though is personal training. I made a program on it for it to prompt me for certain pentatonic positions and keys at random.

My thoughts on whether to hide discussions on DM’s is that the forum is not busy enough for that to be an issue. Just my thought.

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I generally don’t write songs with ai, only transmute my own work into music though it.
I do however have a tendency of refining the lyrics after I hear how they come out in a ai-generated song. and that’s where I feel the “magic” happens, so to say :sweat_smile:

I find text based ai to be a wonderful tool for brainstorming though, it can help me grease up my own system and get rid of mental rust buildup :slight_smile:

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lol Raz, I like that you ‘grease up’ your system,… Nothing like good maintenance !!! :woman_dancing: :wrench:

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Loving greetings you Raz and others!

I read this thread and felt inspired to make some comments, for which is it my hope that they serve well.

I am filled with the love of music and music creation myself, also that of writing/poetry. So, naturally, I was drawn to your thread, but I was not inspired to comment until it tangented off into speaking about your process and the use of AI.

I, much like others, have struggled with the recent emergence of AI. Being so conditioned to “do it the old fashion way”.

What I have settled on, up to this moment, is that (and ironically in keeping with the Law of One) all is well.

What I mean by this is that:

I find that “the process” and “the doing” of writing music, lyrics, or sometimes strictly poetry - as with any other expression of creativity - is sometimes all that really matters. What it means to you, what feeling or inspiration you gain/experience in that joyous and sacred “tiny” moment of creation, that is enough, regardless of what that “process or doing” entails (be it the use of a tool, such as AI or a guitar or a drum or ones voice). What I mean is, sometimes we create something that becomes shared, this is well, for it has the opportunity to affect others. But creation for creations sake, even if kept totally to yourself, possibly never even recorded and left to the winds of memory, the fact that you created something is great, better yet that it brings you joy, inspiration, meaning, love, sadness, loneliness, introspection, closure or any other infinitely possible results of catalyst. You have just acted as a co-creator, creating something that can act as catalyst - whether that be a catalyst to self only or other selves. It is a beautiful thing, and to those of us that create, we know well the intimate joy that comes from it. And if lucky, the connection with intelligent infinity or muse or other-self influences channeled as we create - what a wonderful thing to be a part of!

One other point I felt inspired to make is that, like I mentioned, sometimes what we create is fleeting, but sometimes it is a creation that undergoes great effort, iteration, sometimes even strife or failure. While there is nothing wrong with creating things with tools, like AI, that seem to expedite the creation into a form that we desire as an end result; I feel that it should not be forgotten that creations made from strenuous effort also have their value.

Even if we do not use AI as an example, the example of using a keyboard or guitar to write what is intended to become a vocal melody. By using these tools, are you not cheating yourself of the lessons learned by improving your singing voice so that you can write vocal melodies to your words more directly? Perhaps you want a specific “bass drum” or “snare drum” sound in your song, what do you choose to use a as a tool to get that sound you desire? A synthesizer? Those can be expensive. A proper drum kit might be the obvious answer to some, but not everyone can afford one of those either or for that matter know how to play one. Could you learn, yes, could you work hard and long to save the money, yes, or could you take a short cut and just buy a microphone and “beatbox” the sounds you want into a computer and use filters to gear the sound to what you want? Yes, probably one of the cheaper options, but not one if you do not have the skill or even ability to use or record your voice. Or, could you use AI to just do it all for you?

All this ranting to say, sometimes the journey and the struggle is a large part of it. And, it’s okay that if your art simply lies in the creation of words and lyrics and you have no interest in learning instruments, spending the money on them, arduously practicing to improve your skill with vocals, drums, guitars, etc. This is all fine! It really really is!, But, my point is that there is value in all of these things as well and I urge no one to take shortcuts when you feel discouraged by the thought of having to do work in order to create the creation that you desire.

Sometimes this means that you may never create what you set out to create, perhaps you fail. This is okay also. I bet you learned something along the way of trying. And we are blessed to have the insight on the Law of One that reassures us that there are no mistakes.

Thank you for the opportunity to express my thoughts, I hope you find no judgment in my words as there was none intended. I wish you well and I wish you and others well in your own, unique, ways of creation and co-creation!

Colin

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Hay Colin,

thank you for chiming in with an underlying tone of Love, much Love to you as well :slight_smile:

I agree wholeheartedly with the totality of your post, while hoping to complement it with the following,

It’s a common misconception that creating music with ai is more or less always effortless,

it can be quite tedious and time consuming as a complex instrument with an overwhelming amount of possibilities,

The first album I made consisted of 13 (Swedish) tracks and was the result of generating roughly 1400(!) songs,

granted that I was a bit of a beginner at that point, and that two versions of one song (intro and outro) was around 700 of them.

Every new music project within ai is an exploration of its strengths and weaknesses, and it is oddly sensitive to how the lyrics are balanced, find a good balance in your lyrics and compatible style prompts to go with them, this is an art form in itself.

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Hey Raz,

Thank you for the reply.

Wow, using AI in that way does sound arduous, when you put it that way haha!

I can relate, I build myself a music studio in my basement, traditional amps and drum set, but also a Mac Studio computer with Logic Pro software for recording, mixing, composition. Also, synths, audio interface, and a somewhat proper vocal booth setup. Sound treatment on the walls, etc. After all the hard work of building it, I quickly realized that not only do I need to spend a lot of time getting better at the drums/bass/guitar, but also work on my vocals, learn how to use the effects hardware, Mac computer, DAW software and all the many many capabilities of it, audio interface, etc. All this on top of actually creating something, finding my voice, my style, my signature, writing instrumentation, lyrics, and coming out the other end with something I actually like.

Haha, I could see the rest of my lifes freetime quickly taken up before it even came to pass.

Its a lot, but it’s also a hobby, so if I never produce anything worth sharing with the world, that’s okay. The doing is the fun part for me. Plus maybe my kids will be inspired by it and create something themselves someday.

I have written one thing that was specifically inspired by the LoO, it came to me as I was falling asleep one night and I am glad that I took the initiative to wake up enough to write it down, perhaps it will amount to something some day, perhaps not, but I will share it in the spirit of your thread:

Taken from the heart of me,
Given to my long gone youth,
Timelessness is here and now,
The emptiness is just too loud,

I seek, I saw, I give again,
Something that can never end,
The yin, the dark will fall apart,
On the anvil of my heart.

With love,
Colin

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Beautiful poem,

especially this part of the constellation, I don’t necessarily agree with what it’s saying, as I believe in balance of yin and yang, while poetically it’s an amazing line

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Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.

I like to think of the words that I write (or any art/creation/thought for that matter, from any self or other self) as ultimately subjective to the viewer, my intended meanings are not canon and inversely subjective to me also.

However I am not adverse to playing with the listener/reader. Giving them an opportunity or challenge to question/analyze/contemplate.

The lines you commented on, to me, was about forging and tempering these aspects of self in the flames of love. The choice of using a cryptic term such as “fall apart” was both to rhyme with heart of course (lol), but also to give the reader pause and perhaps a catalyst to ponder further, the dynamics of the concepts of yin, dark, shadow, feminine, etc.

To “fall apart” does not necessarily mean to destroy or shed. In the context of the act of “tempering” it is, admittedly and intentionally, an unclear/cryptic description of the transmutation process one may do with these parts of the self. Perhaps speaking of “shadow work” or other workings.

:blue_heart:
Colin

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agreed, still, I find myself drawn to keep the collective understanding in mind in my writing, I found the line even more appealing after your explanation and felt inspired to make a version based on that:

The yin, the dark
is reforged
on the anvil of my heart,
what brings imbalance
eventually falls apart

Thank you, that was delightful :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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I managed to get the sound quality of the track a little easier on the ears, and it’s up n’ running :slight_smile:

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Raz–Thanks for indulging my questions and directness on a process that is personal to you.

As a general comment, upon sitting with this more, I do think our collective critique of AI generated art is important and interesting as a way of further knowing ourselves. I am curious about the difference that exists in the created piece when the body complex is bypassed–when the voice signing hasn’t passed through the chest cavity of a MBS complex or the final production of a visual image is from generalized prompts that haven’t participated in the unique, lived experience of the person.

But my bias is definitely showing. When the luddite communities start to form, I’m pretty sure that’s where I’ll be. :slight_smile:

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