In my understanding, you are describing a trinity. Or rather, its essence in my understanding. First there was infinity, and then a new state of infinity appeared. That is, it changed itself in such a way as to consist of two parts, one part is deprived of almost all the potential of infinity, therefore it is almost equal to zero. And the other part has access to all the potential that infinity was able to “discover”, having “an infinite amount of time” to do so.
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After these two parts are created, this is already the beginning of the experiment, because infinity has already begun to change something in itself, remaining the same infinity/unity, simply limiting access between nodes, depriving them of communication, thereby creating areas where the material is poorly aware of unity, thereby losing its potential. This is my understanding of how infinity within infinity creates areas with “zero”. That is, depriving unity, you deprive potential. You get an area that can be called “zero”, although there is something there, it is just very poorly aware of itself and the environment, since the aspect of unity is removed, that is, the connection between the nodes.
A node in this explanation is when you take two points and connect them with a line. If they are connected by a line, then a connection is established between these points, and we can say that these points are in unity. You remove the line, and you get two points without a connection, which can be called the area of "zero", with zero potential. But infinity still remains infinity.
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Further, having these two parts, with the help of these two, a third part arises, that for which these two areas were created. That is, the third part is the octaves of experience, which are in the middle between “zero” and “infinity”. Thus, the balance that you are talking about is an inevitable property of octaves, because octaves were created for the sake of this balance. It is not for nothing that entities must balance opposites in order to advance higher in evolution. For what? In my understanding, the secret of the octave is that a 7th density graduate must balance in order to collect the maximum potential of this particular octave (and do not forget that octaves are different from each other, this is very cleverly invented). Thus, the graduate is required to have the maximum understanding of this particular octave. Because it is through the process of balance that maximum understanding is achieved. Roughly speaking, the graduate must be an ideal sage, for this all the conditions within the octave are created. And upon completion of the 7th density, you must be well versed in all the nuances and subtleties of a particular octave.
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To put it simply, for me it is clear with the example with languages. For example, we were all sent to learn Russian in this octave. And another octave was sent to learn French. The exam of our octave upon completion of the 7th density will be Russian, how subtly we have learned to understand it. And the exam of that other octave is French, and how much they understand it. This is the whole point of creating different octaves. Now do you realize how cunningly and subtly everything is created here? They want from us a perfect knowledge of this particular octave. And if we no longer want to play in octaves, we can go back inside infinity when we complete the octave. But I have an opinion that most likely we will lose any of our personalities, if we have any in the 7th density. And thus we will lose any understanding that we have entered the 8th density, because we will pass into the possession of infinity. And probably, only infinity itself will decide what to do with us next. I don’t really believe that there are any ways to preserve your individual desires in the 8th density, since all these concepts of “your desires” are applicable precisely to octaves, that is, to densities below the 8th.
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lol, Dima, I Just love your assiduity and courage to create in our limited words. a vision of 7 or 8th density that Ra himself said was somehow beyond words, but I get your drift, lol
I think we can, still with our very gauche words envision that most evidently in 7th we lose all our individuality and our own personal wishes or sense of a particular individual as we probably will melt blissfully with all the rest of the souls who reached that density.
Perhaps we may not lose an understanding in itself , but we lose the little personal narrow understanding that we have accumulated before… ad we probably keep somehow love/wisdom but those become part of the awesome full bliss wwe partake with all others…
Ah so mysterious and yet lovely…
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I am not sure if “infinity” is what will decide what to do with us next. Infinity itself is a creation from the creator.
Ra: I am Ra. The first known thing in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.
I am also not entirely sure that there is any lost of ones individuality.
In session 60.16 Ra mentioned that their “upbringing” are recorded, which made them who they are.
Ra: We have recorded these differences meticulously in the Great Record of Creation that such naïveté shall not be necessary again.
Lastly, The “Guardians”
Those who are an octave above, chooses to provide aid to our octave.
51.1 Ra: The third group watching over this process is that group you call the Guardians. This group is from the octave above our own and serves in this manner as light-bringers. These Guardians provide the precise emissions of light/love in exquisitely fastidious disseminations of discrimination so that the precise light/love vibration of each entity may be ascertained.
This indicate that these “Guardians” retained their own individualization, and agency to choose.
In short, I don’t think you just “melt” back into the “all.”
Well, unless you choose to, I am sure that is possible as well.
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I think that everyone’s opinion is valuable, we all are different, we all don’t think completely the same, and that’s our strength and advantage. Everyone will emphasize something for themselves in our conversations.
I understand what you’re saying, and you’re kind of right, because we’re within this infinity, and yet there’s a lot of processes on top of it all. I try to look at this whole complex process in a linear order, as “stages,” but of course I understand that everything is happening at once. When there’s no time, I like to look at each individual stage from the perspective that we had infinite time. It’s just much easier for me to understand that way.
I really like these words
This is an interesting thought. Which again implies a linear process, which is what I am considering. A gradual progression. But it only makes sense for octaves. Because somewhere inside infinity, there began a stage when octaves began to be created. Before this stage of octaves and similar concepts, there was no, one could say, an infinite amount of time (it sounds paradoxical, but such is the nature of timelessness in my opinion, that is, that any stages can be said to “last forever”). And thus, after that, the stage of octaves appeared, which can also be said to last forever. But nevertheless, the essence of my thoughts is that the stages somehow occur in a linear order in my understanding. Even despite the absence of time. This is because I want to consider these processes not as occurring simultaneously, in order to trace the logic of each process separately. I believe that before all the stages, there was simply infinity, which lasted forever. And when an infinite amount of time had passed, the need for stage 1 arose. Then stage 2, and so on.
I think that even though logos develop their “understanding” and structure the patterns of the mind, nevertheless, look at infinity itself. In a more global sense, this is just a stage that lasts for an infinity inside the realm of timelessness. Simply put, logos that do not know something and learn something is a deep beautiful illusion that creates a kind of thought “wow, infinity cannot know something?” I believe that infinity has knowledge of everything, but this is very paradoxical, because it created this whole game of octaves. And nevertheless, for me this is a game. That is, in fact, in a deeper sense, all these logos already know everything that they will ever learn. Infinity itself is unity, that is, knowledge of everything. You can lose this knowledge only if, in my understanding, you deprive some object of a share of unity, that is, break the connection, thereby creating an illusion and limitation of knowledge/understanding. So for me this is a game created artificially.
These are very good thoughts. I like to look at it as a “stage”, one of the “thought experiments” that for us lasts infinitely long (infinite number of different octaves), and for infinity itself it is the blink of an eye, infinitely fast, just one of the stages of infinity’s thoughts.
My intuition tells me that somewhere else there are other experiments going on, similar to ours with infinite octaves. Therefore, I am inclined to think that the entities of this octave (be it Ra of the 6th density and so on) know the history of creation only in relation to this experiment, that is, that supposedly infinity, having incredible resources at its disposal ( ! ), came up with only one way to study itself. I believe that there are other experiments that are not available to us. This is my opinion, so nothing so serious.
p.s. When I talked about an infinite amount of time to think, I meant the most effective implementation of this one experiment “what if there was more than one thing?” And as it turned out, the most effective was the creation of a trinity from infinity. And what solutions were invented for other experiments, I don’t know.
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My answers are how I see things now, how i understand them. 99% of my last messages are my pure intuition. I feel, and I write what I feel.
Vice versa. First there was infinity, and then there was the creator. Think about it, the creator is a point where attention is focused. Attention of whom? Of infinity. I perceive this as one of the control points of a certain experiment. Infinity focuses on this point and creates something in it, having an indescribable power. For example, an infinite number of octaves.
I believe that this Great Record applies only to this particular experiment “what if there was more than one thing?”
I think they simply did not return to the 8th density in the sense of being absorbed into infinity, but went further into a new octave, from which, for some reason, it is possible to communicate with other octaves.
Yes, I agree, you yourself choose whether to preserve your personality and move to a new octave, or return to infinity, ceasing to “exist”, so to speak. And the personality is erased.
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Thank you 
And all this is thanks to everyone who participates in the discussion !
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I would like to provide an excerpt from the ancient Chinese philosopher Chang Tzu. In the chapter《 The Writings of Chang Tzu - Autumn Water》 there is a passage where:
Chang Tzu and Hui Tzu were walking on the bridge over the Hao River. Chang Tzu said, “The minnow is leisurely swimming about; this is the joy of the fish.” Hui replied, “You are not a fish; how do you know the joy of the fish?” Chang Tzu said, “You are not me; how do you know that I do not know the joy of the fish?” Hui said, “I am not you, so I do not know you; and you are not a fish, so you do not know the joy of the fish at all!” Chang Tzu said, “Let us return to the beginning. When you say ‘How do you know the joy of the fish,’ you already know that I know it, and you are asking me about it. I know it from being on the bridge.”
The core theme of this passage is that we cannot use our own perspective to speculate on others’ thoughts. In the end, Chang Tzu abandoned the argument and concluded the discussion with a little joke.
So, let’s return to the question: how does a rock know that it is a rock? Perhaps we first need to define “knowing.” A rock’s form of knowing may not be the same as human knowing. It might not involve characteristics like hearing, seeing, logical thinking, or emotions.
Let’s consider this: a rock exists somewhere, where it is exposed to wind and sand, rain, and microbial growth. Over time, the rock begins to integrate with its surroundings, accumulating soil and water, and even growing fungi. The rock is changing daily. Could this ongoing transformation be the rock’s own form of “knowing”?
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What you write sounds understandable, and I believe one can indeed approach it in this way.
I must admit that such a fundamental concept as Balance—so central to the nature of the One—addresses the question of where everything originates and what its essence is. This insight resonates deeply with me, bringing a sense of calm, as if I have touched upon the core truth, affirmed by the authority of my higher self.
Any thesis regarding the nature of something, including the entirety of creation, can be met with its antithesis, which we may then integrate or unify. Ultimately, all things merge into a singular whole. In other words: Infinity naturally seeks a point where all is perfectly balanced, eventually dissolving back into the One.
Anything that does not align with the One is a distortion, a manifestation, or an illusion of the One. When viewed in this way, it reveals a coherent and, for me, personally resonant explanation of the origin and foundation of all that exists. Everything I experience has a rightful place in this unfolding, and I can begin to discern what may come next. For me, this perspective works quite well.
Regarding your other points, I agree. Everything makes sense from my perspective, and there is a some collection of truth in each of your statements.
I would only add that the Octave as a cycle is a perfect expression of the Balance that inherently exists within the One. It serves as a great foundation for, manifesting itself in the form of cycles. The beginning and the end are one and the same, melding into each other—this is the key. Additionally, I would note that when we enter the 8th density, we do not truly lose anything. While we may lose the ability to experience in the same way, we gain a more in-depth understanding of the One. This understanding is integrated, balanced, and unified with other aspects of the One, transcending the distortions of manifested creation.
The insights gained from the previous Octave are naturally balanced by the One with a corresponding level of non-cognition, merging back into the One. In this paradoxical state, we both know more, and simultaneously, we notice that we know even less than before, discovering new questions to ask. It serves as an ideal moment to open a new octave and begin the cycle of experience anew. 
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Dima, thanks for your thoughtful responses. We are exposing the problems with dialogue to deal with such abstruse matters. We have to be able to balance a linear, evolutionary model with a paradoxical timeless and infinite model. Whenever a person appeals to one model to grope towards an explanation, it is always possible to respond by showing the appeal’s lack of conformity with the other model. It’s a paradox, and any explanation will be necessarily incomplete. So I’m not going to try to be persuasive here; if I can inspire a moment of genius in you, I’ll be content with being a fool.
Unfortunately I don’t feel comfortable sharing further perspectives as they rely on information that is not welcome here. Feel free to message me privately. I would really love to be able to share fully and honestly and I hope one day we will be able to have that kind of transparent conversation in public here.
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lol
Let’s not forget How Ra explained that the pyramids were built, and how the rocks participated in this… 
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hah, so true it s a lovely conversation indeed, but who started it ?
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