What are your thoughts on the Quran?

Spiritual & Metaphysical Matters
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I come from an islamic tradition and evolved out of it becomes of some of the rituals tend to pedestalize people instead of God. This is the Wudu ritual (washing before prayer) and the prayer (Salah). Aswell as being very much fear driven or rather motivation per avoidance of pain, rather than oneness and unconditional love.

The Quran itself has similarities with the LOO channeling. It starts with ‘‘We are Allah’’ in some verse for example.

It feels ridden with STS philosophy to me though. Most of all because it tends to control our behaviour through guilt and doesnt tell the truth of our origin and identity, which perpuates suffering and ignorance.

‘’‘O Allah, send Your mercy upon Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, just as You sent mercy upon Ibrahim and the family of Ibrahim. Truly You are Praiseworthy and Glorious. O Allah, send blessings upon Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, just as You sent blessings upon Ibrahim and the family of Ibrahim. Truly You are Praiseworthy and Glorious’’

‘’‘O our Lord give us good in this world and good in the hereafter and protect us from the punishment of the Fire.’’

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Hi Rumi,
I resonate more with “Rumi’s Poem” in comparation to Quran.

For example this chapter:

The chapter is basically cursing an entity named Abu Lahab (and also his wife).

In L01, Ra/Quo give out an explanation that STS / evil entities are actually part of you who ‘took the opposite path’. Without their presence there will be no contrast with STO/ good, thus STO cannot be recognized. As the entity (soul) evolve in their own unique soul journey, both path will eventually arrived at the same point (6th density). Service To Self is Service To Others as there has come a realization that actually there is no others.

Thus ‘cursing’ to others, even if ‘others’ are evil, are actually cursing your own self. This is something in which STO do not do.

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I haven’t read the Quran, but consider it
a sacred scripture of Islam. I think of Muslim
people as a spiritual majority on earth having
devote practice far and wide.

My workplace seems highly integrated with
strong values in embracing diversity with
tolerance of all walks of life. For this reason,
I think of future world leaders as working
within commercial boundaries more than
geographical, also the quality of leadership
seems of higher quality than found upon
national or religious levels.

Coworkers from people like Iran explain their
people are largely misrepresented, that the
world may benefit from some change that
would be aligned with more modern democratic
values - as much of the leadership has some
military based power trip that lends a bad
name to them. The majority are sleeping
allies.

The death cult jihadists seem to take the
Quran too literally. For example the Prophet
beheds 700 enemies on some quest, so
they also behed enemies. The Prophet
ascends to heaven at Temple Mount, so
they too ascend to heaven in vicinity, etc.

Much of the current conflict stems from
hardline interpretations of an artifact that
stems from a person. See a person and
see the infinite creator. So it behooves
us possibly, to not take things too literally.

Much of modern religion stems from
allegory which may contain metaphors.
Beheding a person might relate to
outwitting them, or bamboozeling them
to emerge from mental or physical
perspectives to possibly spiritual ones.

There’s often gatekeepers found on
the hero’s journey. Possibly there was
700 gatekeepers to pass in that story,
but the storytellers mixed it up and
then, holy sh*t look what happened?!

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This poem from Rumi describe ‘the soul evolution’ which resonate to Ra/Quo’s soul journey from 1st->7th density.

I died to the mineral state and became a plant,
I died to the vegetal state and reached animality,
I died to the animal state and became a man,
Then what should I fear? I have never become less from dying.
At the next charge (forward) I will die to human nature,
So that I may lift up (my) head and wings among the angels,
And I must (also) jump from the river of (the state of) the angel,
Everything perishes except His Face,
Once again I will become sacrificed from (the state of) the angel,
I will become that which cannot come into the imagination,
Then I will become non-existent; non-existence says to me (in tones) like an organ.
Truly, to Him is our return.
– Jalalaldin Muhammad Rumi, Masnavi

For those within “Islamic Tradition” Quo does recommend them to take a close look into the Sufi’s path. Rumi are among those who took the Sufi’s path.

"We would suggest that it would be helpful to look for the positive gifts of the one known as Mohammed in the mysticism of the Sufi’s. The outer husks of religion, the dogma, the exclusiveness, and so forth, have been cast aside to get to the heart of the fruit of spirituality which is the same in any religion or system of worship.
And that is simply the adoration of the one infinite Creator by the creation that has been made. The Creator responds with Its adoration for that which It has created. This combination creates an infinite atmosphere of unconditional love. Those who focus down to this point from any road, whether it be Christian, Jewish, Islam or any other, are doing the same good work. "
– Quo, March 25th 2007

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I would like to ask you a question that Quran should have answer and related to the confideration philosophy. I have friends that like wine, I’m not drinking it. Is it OK to bring them bottle of wine? On the one hand I’m doing what they want, on another hand I doubt about usefulness of doing it. What do you think?

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I want to state clearly that this is my own experience and interpretation. Not that there is any reason that it would, but obviously I don’t speak for Bring4th.

I have found it to be quite an unpleasant, demonic text. I read a good section of it. One line I remember strongly is ‘Cut off a part of the unbelievers, so they may retire frustrated’.

When I was reading it I felt surrounded by malevolence. Watched. It was very creepy.

I noticed that when reading the Qur’an. A lot of the supposed positivity was rephrased with the slight hint of a threat. Whereas the bible states a lot of things about Gods infinity and such. When the Qur’an says that Allah is everywhere. It feels and sounds like a threat to me. Like, he is watching you. So don’t mess up. And not a being of kindness.

I also went down the rabbit hole of a lot of hidden things about Islam, history etc. Proper reading of the text. It just gets worse and worse and worse. For instance, there was a passage where the protagonist says that his god will cut a vein inside him when he dies as some sort of punishment to cause him pain, and when he died he said that vein had been cut inside him.

The versions that are translated into English and sold in bookshops, are not the proper translations. The correct translation I have found in research is usually the worst possible one. There is a quote that is used by apologists for the faith to say that the Qur’an disagrees with violence. But if you actually read the entire quote it actually says you can kill people for mischief. That or they use one of the quotes from the Had’ith which is secondary to the Qur’an within the faith, there are many many Had’ith. I think two with some non killing stuff, and a whole bunch more with even weirder stuff. The centrally held philosophy of the Qur’an does not appear to be anti slaughter and mayhem.

There were two quotes in the Law of One that talked a little about it. One of them is no longer in the lawofone.info page, which is the website that I used to go through the Law of One the last two times. I do not believe it is there. If I reread I will have to go to the written books just for that quote.

I will leave this quoted here without comment.

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My journey with the Quran began in 2014, and over time, I have progressed in understanding it on deeper levels.

The Arabic language is not a simple one, which is precisely why Muhammad chose it to convey a message that spans across all densities and dimensions. Yes, the messages of the Quran come from all levels of existence, yet they are solely directed toward serving the One Creator. However, the issue arises when some people interpret it in a limited way and generalize their understanding as the only truth.

From my long experience with the Quran, I see it as a clear mirror of the self—its struggles, its fears, its openings, and its exits. The Quran brings forth your fears if you are afraid, reveals the conflicts within your soul, and unveils your mercy, love, and inner wisdom—if you know how to strip away all preconceived meanings you have attached to its words and truly explore the deep roots of Arabic vocabulary.

The existing translations of the Quran reflect how Muslims have understood it throughout the ages. Unfortunately, their reading of it has remained largely superficial and materialistic, revealing their limited perspective, bound only to the physical dimension.

To truly grasp the Quran, one must approach it with complete openness, free from biases, and attempt to decode its symbols. It is a book of profound wisdom that encompasses all layers of existence in the universe.

It is difficult to explain this in a single comment or even a post, but when you read the Quran, try—before reading it—to trust it, to ask it for guidance and knowledge. Ask yourself, and even ask the Quran itself, to show you what you need from it.

Do not read it as a book from beginning to end. Each surah holds its own symbolism, lessons, and examples, and each verse contains a unique wisdom.

By saying this, I do not intend to place the Quran above other divine or spiritual books, as every sacred text carries its own mysteries. However, I have personally discovered many profound secrets through it. It has accompanied me throughout my journey, with specific verses arriving at precise moments as clear and timely messages.

For instance, after one of the great visions I experienced, I awoke to find a set of verses guiding me on the next steps I needed to take.

I cannot help but love and respect the Quran, as well as Muhammad and Gabriel, for I have personally witnessed the depth of their message.

Of course, everyone is free to have their own perspective on the Quran. I simply wished to share mine.

With love and respect to all.

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Hi everyone,

Happy to see this topic and especially the forum coming back alive :D.

I found resonance with your answer Mozna. It reminds me of Ibn Arabi’s work about happiness and the persuit of becoming a complete human (Isan Al-Kamel).

Ibn Arabi further defines that the Quran and its verses as an entity that is conscious and reflects aspects of God Private Face in ourselves. Stephen Hirtenstein is a very thoughtfull and deep teacher on this subject.

As for myself. I guess I the traditional religions lost their allure to me. I’ve learned a great deal from studying Ibn Arabi’s work which is mystical and metaphysical.

Currently studying A Course in Miracles which has its roots in the Christian tradition and cognitive psychology. I find this actually more concrete and beneficial in finding innner peace as it gives concrete tools to solve cognitive disonnance, conflicts, etc. Which works better than being repeated the fear of fire and brimstone as done in religious books.

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I should also clarify though that a lot of the Muslims I have met have seemed fairly positive. One of the positive things that Islam has is the many prayers and I suspect, that if a person is praying, even if they are praying under a less than ideal mythology, they can be answered by positive entities.

Also, I do not see Christianity as massively positively polarised. The Jesus stuff is. But in my understanding a lot of it is purposely mistranslated and confused, and even more damning. As actually alluded to in the Law of One. Yahweh was a Reptilian.

Judaism also has things like 6 genders, and Jesus being a false prophet burning in excrement in hell. This is not compatible with Christianity in my understanding. Neither is the idea that the Mehdi is going to “break the cross” when he comes to earth.

In my personal faith. I am Christian and there are mystical parts of Christianity that I find positive but can’t explain. But, I try and take on atheist and philosophical perspectives as much as possible. I see Jesus’ message in relation to Pharisees to be more profound that modern Christians understand it. I think that a lot of people that use the Bible in an overly fanatical way are meeting the criteria for Pharisees.

There is something respectful of others in being able to actually explain your perspectives to others and not ever expecting people to believe something “because God/ this book says so”. Which is a positive thing about philosophy. But there is still a lot that is unfalsifiable but still relevant I believe.

Two more relevant religions I think. Leftism/ Scientism/ Feminism and the religion of the state and the worship of women - the belief women are inherently superior. And a lot of faintly held new age beliefs. Some of which I find to be quite destructive, but others that are positive and useful.

I hope as we move forward religion starts to take a bit of a back step, people shouldn’t be able to claim religious status to distract from the fact they are completely amoral. But we’ll see how it goes.

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Coming from an Islamic background as well, I have had my fair share of experiencing the terror and guilt associated with the worship of the God of Abraham. Thus far in my seeking, I believe the Koran to be a syncretistic text that tilts heavily in the direction of the Old Testament Covenant while introducing several of the more positive philosophies of selfless service typically associated with the Christ-Consciousness of the New Testament.

As our good friends of the Confederation had said, “good” and “evil” are not words that can be used to characterize messages that attempt to communicate the Law of One. As with many sacred texts, there is no doubt that the Koran is beset with mysteries, paradoxes, and contradictions. Ultimately, it is up to the judgement of the Seeker of Love/Light, which is the Creator, to decide what to take and what to leave from its teachings.

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Huh, I just found this:

Questioner: Was this a device for communication then? You said they also drew power from it. What type of power? How did this work?

Ra: I am Ra. This was charged by means of the materials with which it was built being given an electromagnetic field. It became an object of power in this way and, to those whose faith became that untarnished by unrighteousness or separation, this power designed for negativity became positive and is so, to those truly in harmony with the experience of service, to this day. Thus the negative forces were partially successful but the positively oriented Moishe, as this entity was called, gave to your planetary peoples the possibility of a path to the One Infinite Creator which is completely positive.

This is in common with each of your orthodox religious systems which have all become somewhat mixed in orientation, yet offer a pure path to the One Creator which is seen by the pure seeker.

I personally think you have to go quite away from the mainstream doctrine to get anywhere near truth. You do with Christianity imo, so that would probably apply to each religion.

Independent thinking is important.

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