Questions for the confederation from forum members

Confederation Philosophy
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I appreciate you adding in these quotes on the topic of transition. Looking over them, I agree, I am not certain that it will be probable or not. Based on these quotations, I’m perceiving that the majority of the 4th density activated discussed will be coming into the dual-bodies to assist in the gradual evolutionary transition of the body complexes. (esp. in the 63.8 quote from Ra)
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…We would suggest that the possibility/probability vortices at this time indicate that each entity to whom we speak shall live out his natural physical life, die a natural death, and then walk the steps of light to see whether he has graduated from third grade or density in this school of souls, or whether he shall have to repeat the grade…

I think this is all in line with the gradual (to us) evolution of the 3rd to 4th density dual bodies that are becoming the 4th density bodies.

At this point in its development, all of fourth density chooses not to appear. It chooses to remain as an unseen energy in order to allow the third-density entities to complete their patterns.

I think Q’uo intended the current time of channeling with ‘at this point’.
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But it does make me wonder what kind of visitation and interactions we’ll have, further into the 100-150 year period, as Q’uo mentions.
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++ A question that arises: Is the original 100-700 period that Ra suggested, being updated to 100-150 years, by Q’uo? Does the 100-150 years imply dual-activated bodies specifically at the end of it, meaning a shorter transition to full 4th density? Or is that 100-150 period ending imply the last choice of 3rd density, marking the beginning of when 3rd/4th density dual-activated beings are the final ones present in ‘3rd density’ vehicles on earth?

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I don’t know the answer as to your specific question, but I thought I’d say what’s on my heart. It seems to me that already this current year 2024 will bring significant changes and it will take a few years, I would assume max until 2030. It’s not Q’uo style to give specific predictions about dates, by the way, it’s clear to me, as they are a kind of authority for many, and strongly polarize in a positive direction, however they mention possible big events here and there in their words.

However, I am not Q’uo so I will allow myself a little more. As far as I know mixing various sources, the USA economy is currently riding on reserves alone and harboring serious volatility, which possibly even as early as this year will cause a major meltdown that will start in the States and spread further to Europe. Armed conflict in the world is likely to spread. There have been efforts to mix, among other things, the populations of white Europeans with Arabs, so that now not only to start a serious conflict in the Middle East, but also to divide ordinary people living near each other. Fear and separation is used here, love and service to others is the protection against that here.

Added to this is the cyclical occurrence and receding of the ice age in the northern hemisphere, right now we are entering a period of recurrence, and this means finding the northern hemisphere under ice and snow. And also a new, real this time, epidemic similar to the Black Death of the past is probable to spread.

After that, the population will be reduced and only those who are able to develop into 4 Density or those who have already achieved the required level of polarization for 4 Density will remain in the body.

From what I have so gathered from various sources and from my own conclusions, it will already be a different world. Artificial intelligence will move forward strongly in development (also for good), we will be deprived as individuals of the ability to earn money (or it will be limited), and there will be one general fund for life and development that everyone can use to live a reasonably prosperous life and have time to do what love. Countries in the world will retain their separateness, but will be connected by a viable union that will bind them together into one world government, and wars between nations or civil wars will only be things from the past, wars will disappear.

What is my point in all this… Well, I’m going to say that it’s really not important to wonder now what will happen in 50, 100, 300 years, or maybe 1000 years, because changes are already at our doorstep. In my opinion, the most dramatic things will start this year and last for several years, and when new times come, is it really important to measure anything now if this further (new) time is still quite extensive and will last at least several generations and many things can happen? I believe it is important for us to be here and now and focus on love and development towards positive polarity.

After changes there will be those who will be able to develop to 4th Density and raise new generations capable of taking on the challenge of working toward 4th Density. These people are another episode in the life of humanity (perhaps we will be among them) with their problems, dreams and challenges that they will continue to experience over many generations until the experiences of the yellow ray completely fade away on the surface of this planet.

This may not be a completely precise answer to your question, but I wanted to give you and others some food for thought. However, it should be remembered that these are only my opinions and my forecasts and the future is still open and hovers somewhere between an infinite number of probable futures and is uncertain until it simply happens.

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I agree with these possibilities you mention, and appreciate you sharing this view! If the volatility of the Earth’s population is narrowing, then it changes the dynamics of what sequence of events may occur in our lifetime. And whether Q’uo answers them directly or generally, I think they make fair questions, as long as the channeling circle is inclined to inquire on the topic.

That said, even asking the question here, reading your response, and browsing through the forum for more - has me feel, that for myself, and by extension, but not necessarily with complete certainty, for the global population - that there is a sort of acceleration afoot in terms of the removal of the veil.

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Oh yes, indeed. It’s good that you mention it. We basically have two overlapping realities of 3rd and 4th Density. Humans are the 3rd Density, the planetary consciousness is already in the 4th Density. Metaphorically speaking, we have the 4th Density seeping underfoot and in the atmosphere. The 4th Density is free from the veil also.

It’s interesting what this really means, because with each passing day the 4th Density overlaps more and more with the 3rd Density, the 4th Density becomes more and more our reality, and it’s not just a matter of love, but the overall possibilities that the 4th Density offers. For example, will we gradually begin to communicate telepathically? Will our mental, psychic and spiritual abilities change and grow? Will we see and experience more of what we have usually accepted to call the paranormal?

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I would like to ask a question about consciousness, free will and life experiences.

Let’s consider John and Mark, who have been good friends for years. John is a positive person who, in his current incarnation, has chosen to avoid any experiences of violence. He leads a life that does not attract negativity because he does not emanate negativity.

Mark, on the other hand, has decided he wants to attack John and steal from him, as he no longer values their friendship. Now, we have this situation: John, in general, is not a suitable target for such an act, as the Universe protects him. However, Mark has free will and can choose to attack John anyway.

This situation creates a conflict and mystery that I do not understand. If Mark attacks John, he can do so because he has free will. Just as any of us can change our relationships with loved ones and potentially harm someone.

In the case of John and Mark, does their universe exist simultaneously? In John’s universe, Mark is only good to John because John has chosen and work for a positive outcomes. When Mark attacks John, does he do so only within his own universe, while the “true” John continues to live his chosen peaceful life?

So, what is the nature of this? Is there one universe for everyone? Does each person live in their own universe, with infinite possibilities? Do our individual universes intersect, repel, or attract each other based on our choices?

This question exhausts me and makes me ponder the essence of free will, consciousness, and our existence as one infinite creator.

If anyone can answer this in their own words or provide excerpts from Q’uo, I would appreciate it. If not, please direct these questions to Q’uo in the next session.

If I need to provide more information to present this problem clearly, I will gladly do so. I care about the answer, and it may also interest others.

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I think you probably look on it from the point of view of Law of Attraction. Also you see paradox here. To my opinion yes, there’s a reality in which these universes intersects. The intersection is temporal until the lesson is learnt or contract is completed (if you watch on it from higher level). Because the nature of third density is paradoxical the paradox cannot be resolved, but can be leant/completed. And Law of attraction is not working fully, there’s always a new brick bursting into this reality. “Creator against Creator in one sub-Logos.” “Lucifer … provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.”

You will say "but I told “in his current incarnation, has chosen to avoid any experiences of violence”. I will tell you that the nature of third density is such that you don´t know it for sure (until you open the gate to intelligent infinity?).

“The self-conscious entity is full of the magic of that which is to come.”

  • But still, if Mark attacks John, can he do it?
  • Yes, because of free will. Forgive him (but you mustn’t do it).
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Thanks for sharing your question @K.K.33

I can’t speak on behalf of the l/l team, or q’uo. But I can share my own perception.

Before I start, I do want to make sure that I understand what you were saying/asking.

Basically, the queries lies in the concept of “multiverse”

If John and Mark living in the same universe, does their actions cause perceivable outcome for both individuals.

Please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding of your questions/statement.

If the above is correct, then here is how I see it.

All actions, words, and thoughts… basically any possibilities, exist simultaneously.

Hence, there are many version of “John and Mark” existing.

In one universe, John and Mark are good, and no violence.

In another, Mark attacks John.

In another, John attacks Mark.

You see…

It’s not about the “movie” that you are watching that has freewill. Most of it is already predetermined.

How you experience the movie, is the true freewill that you have.

I think it is confusing when you look at freewill as a “binary” action… To do, or not to do.

When viewed from that perspective, and coupled with the concept of “multiverse” then there is really no true “freewill.”

everything has already happened, is happening, and going to happen.

Where is the choice in that?

Now… Lets take a bigger step back, and view it from the “higher-self” perspective. The “Over-soul.”

You see… The individualized consciousness that you and I experiencing right now is a “focused” portion of the “higher-self.”

It is exactly like you going to see a movie, or even playing a online mmorpg.

The avatar is not the totality of you. It is just a “version” of your focused self.

You can be in any multiverse, any “version,” any avatars in the whole of creation.

But here is where you are now. Because there is a sacred fruit for you, something that is important for your growth out of the other “possibilities.”

Coming full circle back to John and Mark.

All the outcome and choices between them has already existed…
(This is hinting at the fundamental concept of nothing can be created or destroyed in the universe)

The “NOVELTY” of all this is the “experience” of the infinite creator.

In the plethora of possibilities between John and Mark… Which one would help the infinite-creator experience love.

It could be through the harmonious outcome, OR through the forgiveness after a less harmonious interaction.

I refrain from going further, please feel free to share your thought and let me know if this helps.

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I have read your responses @anon23924087 @Jayce and after updating my perception of this problem I will say:

Everything exists at the same time as a potential possibility that can exist. These possibilities are hypothetically known.

The Higher Self chooses which part of this universe it wants to experience and what should play out.

So with this free will is that everything is already predestined and possibly our Higher Self updates this plan, and we only have the possibility to react to what happens to us.

So my question about the unraveling of this problem could be that, or it could simply be that whether, for example, John will be attacked or not attacked by Mark is already planned by the Higher Self. And if something doesn’t go according to plan, then simply the Higher Self, in agreement with the Creator, so to speak, will not allow it, because that would be a violation of free will as to how the Higher Self wants to pursue its development in a given incarnation. And if something is going to happen because it is in Higher Self’s plans, it will push for it to happen.

The next level is the free will of the individual in 3rd density, which in that case is secondary will (the will of the Higher Self would be primary will).

In such a situation, in that case, we are left to rely on the wisdom of our Higher Self and the Creator, who has planned something for us, and use our own free will in 3rd density to respond to all these events, for example, with love and on STO principles.

Do you think my conclusions are correct?

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I can’t say if it is correct or not. But it definitely feels aligned.

This is the “grist for the mill” and it touches on the “veil” that we all experience here.
The “veil” serves as a protection to our freewill. But that too, is an illusion.

We are all, on some level, already know…

But right here, right now… all we have to do is to surrender into love, into the creation, and enjoy the ride.

Having faith in darkness is one of the most comforting thing.
Trusting in the unknown, and knowing to trust.

Perhaps this is the “middle path”

Not too hot, not too cold. Just enough.

Much light

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You are saying about determinism and non-determinism (and Laplace’s demon which I believe does not exist) and link it to free will. To my opinion it is not so (doesn’t matter, =compatibilism). Even you can look on it as determinism = free will (if you’d like), imagine crystalized entity that you know for sure how it will behave, isn’t it it free will of the entity?

As for the “everything is already predestined” to my opinion the destination is predestined but not the path. So John’s attack is not always planned by Higher Self.

I agree about “rely on the wisdom of our Higher Self and the Creator”.

Please tell me if I answered the questions.

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If I understand you correctly you are suggesting that in a sense there are two levels of free will. On the one hand there is a path imposed on us from above, and on the other hand we continue to retain free will as to how we react to events that confront us on that path.

That is: John and Mark’s Higher Self, programmed certain events in their lives, operates at the subconscious/unconscious level, and John and Mark’s Higher Self tries to influence them by doing whatever it can to keep them on the Higher Self’s desired path.

John and Mark, at the level of their Higher Self, can program their lives in such a way that they will be born, know each other and cooperate for the rest of their lives. However, despite clear signals from their subconscious/unconscious as to their choice of love and friendship. Each of them can react in any way they want, totally turning everything upside down by behaving in any way they want, since the 3rd density entity has its own free will with which it can do whatever it wants. Also another thing in this is that no one is somehow particularly protected.

In general, such a view is sensible and acceptable to me. I believe you are pointing me in the right direction. Of course, if I have properly understood what you want to convey to me.

A certain amount of mystery and my doubts is still in it, and I will continue to explore this kind of thing, while the most important thing is that, I think, you are pointing me in the right direction.

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“due to your training, more able than we to express the concept” :slight_smile:

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65.19 Thus Wanderers volunteer for third-density genetic or DNA connections to the mind/body/spirit complex. The forgetting process can be penetrated to the extent of the Wanderer remembering what it is and why it is upon the planetary sphere. However, it would be an infringement if Wanderers penetrated the forgetting so far as to activate the more dense bodies and thus be able to live, shall we say, in a god-like manner. This would not be proper for those who have chosen to serve.

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This is a good “bird’s eye view” of the topic.

There are a couple things I do want to point out.

The higher self and the incarnated self isn’t completely two different entities with 2 different freewill. (Or levels.)

The perception of having two levels of freewill is due to the veil of forgetting.

i.e. You made a list of specific items/brands before going to the grocery store.
But you didn’t take the list with you into the store.

Once you are In the store, you are going off of what you feel you needed, even though you don’t remember the specific brand, you steer close enough to the nutritional diet that you wanted.

At the same time, throwing a couple snacks and sweets in the basket.

In conclusion, your freewill and your higher self’s freewill isn’t really two different things.

One has the sheet music and is technical and meticulously planned out.

The other one is playing by ears and feeling the music as they go.

That’s the beauty of the journey.

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Great example.

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Ra says that the paradox between free will and determinism vanishes when you accept true simultaneity.

What I take from this is that there’s truly no difference between planning the path and walking the path. Just two ways of looking at the same thing. In either case, your path will be a nice balance of what you need and what you want.

If John’s contract says “no violence shall be experienced”, then Mark will never be given the opportunity to inflict violence on John.

Also, in my opinion, there are no parallel versions of yourself in any sense other than everybody is ultimately another version of yourself. Your individual perspective is supremely unique, and we live in a unified and shared cosmos. It is full of things that happened and it is equally full of things that didn’t happen.

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Let me tell you, it was really good what you wrote.

Given that the Creator exists in all things and maintains some degree of independence and oversight over Creation, how does His presence and will affect the preservation of Free Will among His children and the balance between them?

I initially agreed with Oleksii, and he is correct that these “Lower” Selves can make choices independently of the Higher Self. However, the Free Will of others should not influence an individual’s Will.

At this point, I believe that if John is free from karmic obligations and has contracted, for example, never to be beaten or enslaved, these events should not occur to him.

On the other hand, if John, against the will of his Higher Self, decides to threaten Mark with a knife and, as a result, is enslaved (imprisoned) or beaten by Mark, the Creator will not protect John’s Free Will regarding his invulnerability.

In summary, something bad can happen to John or any other person when:

  • He has karma to resolve,
  • His Higher Self has decided he should experience suffering, or
  • His behavior triggers negative consequences. If he had followed his Higher Self, nothing bad would have happened to him.

Therefore, living on this planet, assuming I am a Wanderer with no negative karma, I can be free from worry. Everything that happens will be with the permission of my Higher Self, including both positive and negative events. All I need to do is remain in the Service of Others to avoid generating new karmic burdens. And the Creator will protect me.

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That is a seed right there, and it will bear it’s fruits.

Are those really the “reasons” to be on the Service to others path?

To not have burdens, and be protected?

18.12 Questioner: You stated yesterday that forgiveness is the eradicator of karma. I am assuming that balanced forgiveness for the full eradication of karma would require forgiveness not only of other-selves but forgiveness of self. Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You are correct. We will briefly expand upon this understanding in order to clarify.

Forgiveness of other-self is forgiveness of self. An understanding of this insists upon full forgiveness upon the conscious level of self and other-self, for they are one. A full forgiveness is thus impossible without the inclusion of self.

70.7 Questioner: Why is the higher self reluctant to enter negative time/space?

Ra: I am Ra. The Higher Self is reluctant to allow its mind/body/spirit complex to enter negative time/space for the same basic reason an entity of your societal complex would be reluctant to enter a prison.

70.11 Questioner: Would an analogy for this situation be that the individual’s higher self is manipulating to some extent, shall I say, the mind/body/spirit complex that is its analog, you might say, to move it through the lower densities for purposes of gaining experience and then finally transferring that experience or amalgamating it, you might say, in mid-sixth density with the higher self?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The Higher Self does not manipulate its past selves. It protects when possible and guides when asked, but the force of free will is paramount. The seeming contradictions of determinism and free will melt when it is accepted that there is such a thing as true simultaneity. The Higher Self is the end result of all the development experienced by the mind/body/spirit complex to that point.

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I choose STO because I like it, it interests me, it fascinates me, I don’t want anything in return. On the other hand, I have to survive in one piece to be able to do this, so something, however, I want in return. And what should I do about it?

I live in a country at risk of being dragged into a war I don’t want to take part in.

I do not hide the fact that I may face enslavement, or death, or torture in the country I live in. And I wonder what I should do, what may await me, how to react.

I think that you, too, would not want to sit in prison for refusing to kill people, or support those who kill, or be crippled, or die in a war, or its consequences, etc…

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I can empathize with you to a certain extent.

I was a soldier in the Iraq war. The weight of each choice was not easy to bear in that environment.

The poem “Invictus” helped me through those dark times.

At some point, I surrendered my fate to my faith and said something along the lines of…

“Father… I don’t understand this madness, I don’t understand you, but I forgive it all, and I love you.”

This, to my surprise, guided me through it all.

I had no knowledge of the Law of One at that time in my life, nor did I believe in any religious system.

I was just lost, afraid, and angry… at it all: the people that forced us to fight, the “leaders” that bring ruinous destruction.

The brutality of it, and the insanity.

Now, I realize that this whole thing is not just operating from a microcosm.

The Macrocosm is a huge boulder that requires everyone to participate in order to move it.

What this means is that…

This world, this social memory complex, requires not only you and me,

But the majority of its native souls to see other selves as self. To not express bellicosity to one another.

To not passively relinquish one’s free will to the “game of nations,” any form of government, any form of control, or centralized power of hierarchy.

Until family, friends, neighbors, communities, and countries can look at one another and realize that “we are all one,”

This madness and savagery will continue.

From what I have read in the Law of One regarding Maldek 10.1,

And observing the current world and its inhabitants,

I realized that bellicosity and these kinds of things are extremely common for lower consciousness.

And it is almost unavoidable until it is literally extreme and unbearable… That is when the growth and evolution take place.

Meaning… All citizens around the world will endure and watch the failures of those they have elected, given power to. To the point that everyone unifies under the agreement to never harm one another, and to live in peace without the requirement of governments, money, and wars.

This may sound far-fetched, but until the suffering is so great that people realize it is the only way for humanity to make it… Or even more simply, realizing the oneness in all, and all is in one.

Until then, these lessons must be learned the hard way.

Until then, all suffering, all lives lost, and tragedies do not happen in vain.

It all will serve as valuable lessons for this social memory complex to grow beyond all of this.

Stubborn it is for those of this solar system. But I personally feel that the experiences of Maldek, Mars, and Gaia will not be useless.

This social memory complex, this system, could be the beacon of wisdom for the universe to learn.

Looking at it from that macro perspective, I feel this whole thing is a great offering to the Creator.

Lastly,

I am sure I am not the only one that has had this thought towards the Infinite Creator/Logos:

“Dude… you really need to do this better and come up with a better version next time around.”

As jokingly as that may seem, I am pretty sure “everyone” from highs or lows is looking at this whole octave with a bit of… “too much dude… too much.”

To close,

I guarantee the Infinite Creator felt every single suffering in this solar system. So great that… Maybe… just maybe… it will influence some changes in the next “big bang.”

On the human side,

I really hope you will be okay, be strong. You are not alone.

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