You need love my friend,
I believe that for years the authorities in this world, at this deeper secret level, have been planning depopulation, and it is probably several factors, and most official governments are puppets. I have already written about this, and I would rather not repeat myself. We will soon see the effects of this. First there will be a financial crash, immediately afterward an artificially induced serious epidemic, which may bring various unexpected effects. There is much speculation on my part in this, but it is not unfounded speculation.
Unfortunately, if you want to maintain positive polarization, it is very difficult to write about it in an open forum because there is a lot of risk of negative influence on others and depolarization. Well, you see me, you can say certain things, but there will be some, I am not talking about the members of this forum in particular, but someone will come in from the outside and read: “The government wants to kill people, they use chemtrails to do it, they poison food, they are working on depopulation.”
Imagine what this can do to the reader: They stop pursuing their life naturally, they abandon various things, they feel fear of death, they start reacting too hastily to various things, their separation from others deepens. It’s not like it has to be that way, but a large percentage of people react that way. They start making mistakes in their lives, resistance and fear grow in them. And if there is no effective defense, there is no effective defense.
It’s not about doing something out of necessity, or out of fear, or finding some special golden mean that will protect us, or thanks to which we will come out alive. It’s more about doing what brings you joy and fulfillment so that it turns out to be something useful. A bit like the biblical story of Noah. Noah got to work because he thought it was a great undertaking, and when the time came, his work turned out to be a liberator for him. This can be used as an analogy to our spiritual work. This is the best protection.
I confirm that love is the most important thing here. The most essential work in this density is polarization towards STO thanks to love. Love also opens the mind. Love affects mental and physical health. However, it must be remembered that love can be balanced by wisdom, and it is good that it is done this way.
Government websites and official science. Do you know what official science looks like now? It so happens that I have connections among people of science. This is almost a completely capitalized branch of human activity, where you get grants for such work as the System wants. The expectations towards your scientific work are such that money is given to prove certain theses or at least come close to it, so that the entire work suggests that these assumptions are true.
It is not about truth, but about confirming predetermined assumptions. This is the situation in many cases, not 100% of the time, but many. This is currently what science looks like today. And official government institutions benefit from this, they publish paid results that were created not as a result of searching for truth, but from the desire to find support for politically correct theses.
What you provided in your post is a review that ChatGPT did for you (I can see it by: ’ ?utm_source=chatgpt.com ’ at the end of each of your links and the structure of the text), reviewing official mainstream sources that contain the thesis without delving into things that would not fit the accepted narrative. I did not read all of this thoroughly until you provided it. I think it is valuable material from some angles, but we believe that we cannot treat it as an objective presentation of the issue related to SRM or chemtrails or other related things.
As for what you provided from chatgpt, there is nothing wrong with that I think. I use it on various occasions also and think it is okay. However, I believe that the matter is more serious and that there is no point in counting on cooperation from the current government in this regard. Surface findings from mainstream sources and interpretations provided by chatgpt are not enough. I believe that there are other areas in which one can safely cooperate with the government, as well as rely on selected scientific works. However, these are certainly not matters related to climate and deeper government programs, including secret and semi-secret ones if they are.
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Now, there are good psyops based on the truth.
And remember that the truth is really a powerful psyop.
It is the most powerful of psyops.
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@ Your response to lxtlander:
Depopulation and financial crisis isn’t something as simple as saying there is a group of baddies from a James Bond movie planning to wreak havoc on the world.
The number games are inherently volatile and will have “depression” and “collapse.” No systems survives the entropic nature of time.
lxtlander understood exactly what they are doing. The LOO extensively explains the left hand path, bellicosity and the maelstrom.
None of the positive wanderers and incarnated beings here are looking for a fight. Nor do they want to be ELITE
Yeshua of Nazareth (Jesus) did not come to overthrow the Roman Empire.
We don’t have to go around and point fingers at what is right or wrong.
We all instinctively knew already on some level.
The challenge is to find love and the infinite creator in all of its’ expression.
This is close to the Loo, You are not “warriors,” you are “lovers.”
The crusaders are the ones who are here on their chariot, looking to recruit and instill fear as a tool of control.
Similar to the Hierarchies that they want to bring down, if you create enough fear in your reader. They will create the chaos you seek to bring down your enemy.
A positive being does not need to paint the world with fear and vilify a part of creation as evil. Recognizing it is enough. Loving is enough.
Your response @ me:
And have we all learned this lesson yet? or do we still swim with duality?
This paragraph is very dense and too broad to cover ALL of “human activity.”
In short, you will find what you are looking for in the infinite creation
This is a buffet of experiences, if you want this then the universe oblige your intention to seek what you want. If you are on the internet looking at conspiracy theories and horrors all day, then that is all you will know.
But it is not the only thing that’s out there.
All external truths are relatives, science doesn’t look for the “truth,” it is an attempt to see patterns in the naturalistic universe.
I am not sure if this was an attempt of retaliation from my observation of your previous posts.
If you would like to debate any part of my post is “superficial” and does not touch on the topic thoroughly, then I am more than happy to response to them.
From what I am reading, and to paraphrase.
You are saying that you think the governments are bad, and “they” want to kill people.
You “know” people that are scientists, but you aren’t one.
You have extensive knowledge of “secret” and “semi-secret” government programs and is convinced you and a small group of “special” individuals know exactly what is going on with the world and all of its complexity.
May I ask, what are the credentials and validity of such profound claims?
lxtlander,
Accusing Bill Gates of wrongdoing based solely on speculation, without any personal knowledge or insight into his life or his relationship with Melinda, is both unfounded and inappropriate.
We don’t even know about all the “details” of our own parents, let alone speaking about someone else’s marriage.
Bill Gates has publicly acknowledged and expressed deep regret over his past association with Jeffrey Epstein. In a January 2025 interview with The Wall Street Journal, he described his interactions with Epstein as “a huge mistake” and admitted, “I was foolish to spend any time with him” . He explained that he initially engaged with Epstein in hopes of securing philanthropic funding for global health initiatives, but ultimately realized that nothing productive resulted from their meetings.
There are no evidence of Bill Gates being on the island or has any transactions made with Epstein.
Your initial post of being a savior, and looking down on the “poor people” here on this planet.
Your blatant accusation of others being a negative entity, and having nefarious agenda.
No entity can make such judgement while incarnated. Unless you are very… very… powerful?
Do you think you are powerful lxtlander? Or are we not recognizing a messiah standing in front of us?
On the other hand,
Your accusation of the “patented covid” likely stems from a 2015 patent filed by the Pirbright Institute in the UK for a weakened form of a coronavirus related to poultry diseases, not the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) responsible for COVID-19.
It would be much more convincing if you said to me that Osama Bin Laden was a negative entity, and even then, we do not know.
Yeshua did not come to start a revolution, he came to be love incarnated.
The correlation I see is aligned with what the Law of One warned about.
Thank you for your attentive observation and steadfast, quiet allegiance, Itudemo. I am aware of your thousand words.
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I see it a little differently. I think Trump and his people have started it, probably unconsciously. I mean, recent decisions on the international stage, on trade and the economy.
I agree with everything you wrote except for one thing. I would just hold off on determining lxtlander’s intentions and whether he knows what he’s doing or not.
I agree in general. However, remember the “blue ray”, we have the right to call things by their names, to talk about negativity openly, even making mistakes in our assessments, which are inevitable. It is only important not to limit or reprimand the “green ray” with this and not to negatively affect the free will of others who could perceive this conversation as something intrusive.
We are basically swimming in the trinity. And when it comes to love, the concept of it is infinite.
I agree with you in part. This is a subjective experience, and we are always subjective. However, from these various subjective approaches, a broader picture emerges. Subjectivity can also be expanded, so to speak, to be more objective, although I think only the Creator is completely objective.
I disagree with that. What you describe is indeed often the case in practice, but science is supposed to bring us closer to the truth, including the deepest truth concerning the nature of reality. Science was born out of dissatisfaction with philosophical speculation itself and the need to confirm hypotheses through experience and evidence. The problem arises when, instead of being open to new questions, science begins to confirm only those theses that fit the dominant materialist paradigm. For this reason, topics such as reincarnation are often not studied seriously, even though they can have a real impact on our understanding of consciousness and existence.
I wanted to question who is the author of most of the content of your post. If you actually provided the content written by chatgpt as yours, and it is presented as your own, then you are committing a certain fraud because you are concealing the true creator of the content. This closes the “blue ray”, which is based on honesty, openness and transparency. Besides, the source also matters. Words can be interpreted regardless of the knowledge of the creator. However, if the type of source can directly affect the more profound meaning of the content that is provided, then this should be included in the interpretation.
For example, if you write completely independently, then I know that there is depth behind it. I can reach to the bottom and try to deepen my understanding of you having various information about you, well, I don’t have much, but I know that you care about developing yourself towards serving others, this inspires my trust, it suggests that your words are not just a superficial structure, but have a second layer that you present yourself. This changes the final interpretation of your words.
If you generate something using chatgpt, then I have other information that I should consider when making the final interpretation of those words. What I know is that it is only the manipulation of words on the level of structure, and that the creator has no depth. I also know that the creator of the content (chatgpt) is a creation controlled by someone whose depth I do not know. All of this changes the final interpretation of the written words to be done correctly (and correctness here I understand as the maximum approximation to the truth through optimal interpretation).
Wrong conclusion. I have never written anything like that. What I wrote was:
If I believe that cooperation with the government is possible, then I cannot simply believe that “the government is bad and wants to kill people”. This is your over-interpretation, which I consider to be incorrect. And what is my true opinion about the government? My opinion is that the governments operate partly (mostly) in accordance with negative polarization and partly (in the minority) in accordance with positive polarization. And in this positive field, you can cooperate with them. And if I were to say in general what the American government or the government of my country is to me, they are the depolarized “entities”, probably puppet-ruled from the outside by negatively polarized entities.
I also consider this to be your misinterpretation. I never thought about it that way when I wrote what I wrote.
What I wrote is:
If you write something like this, that these are your speculations, it means that you do not have hard evidence for this and you are not sure about it. And that is the case with me. And in that case, where do these various speculations about the probable future come from?
Well, first of all, it comes from the overall meaning contained in the Confederation’s teachings, which clearly state that the Earth is already in 4th density, to which most people are not adapted and are to leave this planet Earth to be reborn on other planets in 3rd density. Therefore, in reality, those who have been left behind and will not develop to 4th density, live here as if “on credit”, which can be ended at any moment, because the Earth is ALREADY in 4th density. Additionally, I read, listen, observe, check astrological forecasts, I am interested in history, economics, I check patterns from the past. I also rely on people who are gifted mediums and see the probable future, I also trust my intuition. Yesterday I watched a YouTube video from China that talked about excess deaths of people (they also administered a lot of vaccines there, maybe the mortality is correlated with vaccinations). This and many other things led me, for example, to speculate that there could be a big crash soon and then a real serious epidemic which is part of the plan to depopulate the planet and reduce its population by about 50-80%.
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The Bring4th forums have dealt with individuals who inherent purpose is to disrupt and cause fear by spreading conspiracy theories. This problem was extensive and exclusive DMs was carried out across members, ultimately forming pockets of “heroes” who considers themselves elites spiritual beings who are here doing “god’s work” essentially.
This has many wrongs and to keep it simple, in psychology, it is called delusion of grandeur.
After shortly migrating to the new forums, new rules were implemented to stop these kind of behaviors as it is not productive and the underlining purpose is to instill distrust and fear, under the pretense of the “good messenger” and/or “saviors”
All of this points to elitism and exclusivity; showcasing to others that you have exclusive knowledge and power to direct bellicosity to the “bad guys.”
In short, the context of the OP and original intention was exactly pointing at disseminating misinformation and conspiracy theories on the forums. Hence, why I said…
You can talk about the left hand path and their methodology in the context of the LOO,
not in the context of pulling in conspiracy theories as a way of “naming” things.
I feel you are confusing chakras and freedom of speech.
You can say whatever you want, that doesn’t mean you are exercising “blue ray” chakra.
To further this explanation. The green rays and blue rays are interconnected through love.
Where in your posts and or lxtlander posts talks about “Loving thy enemies” ??
It has been accusation and exclusivity on many levels.
There is currently two polarities to choose,
And at which point in your narrative or this post speaks of all encompassing love? There has been separation and vilifying third entities beings to extreme negativity.
This is your opinion, and I respect it where it is.
I have mentioned previously that I used chatgpt to consolidate informations, This response, including previous direct responses were from my own hands.
I do not have the same challenge of language barriers as you do, so I what I wrote here is not “filtered” through Chatgpt. This is not something I feel the need to justify or explain further.
How so?
Do you have experience in this sector? have you worked in the government before? or are they all speculation?
This does means it is all speculative isn’t it?
It is your beliefs, and what is the purpose of essentially forcing others to adopt this belief?
Please do help me find information about this matter from the materials.
I tried searching for it Search - L/L Research
Are you considered an expert?
Again, are these your basis and credentials?
We end with this.
What is the purpose of you disseminating information that causes harms?
Various theories that can cause fear can also contain truth, and truth is connected to the center of the blue ray. Besides, for example, I, personally, do not feel any fear of various conspiracy theories. Well, in fact, it’s all the same to me… I have heard various things and internally processed various possibilities, including being tortured, being killed, seeing death and destruction around me, and hunger.
Through this type of internal work, I had the opportunity to work with this fear that was aroused in me. I believe that I have processed a lot of it for myself. Even if some of it does not happen, it has expanded my awareness and strengthened me. So running away from it by me or blocking someone so that I cannot get acquainted with these various theories and predictions, including very unpleasant ones, would only remove the possibility of development for me.
However, it is true that for many it can be overwhelming, that they will fall into this fear and start acting against their soul. I agree that it is worth balancing your own and other members’ ambitions so as not to create a “Forum for the End of the World” but to conduct a normal discussion focused on spiritual matters. Therefore, as you have noticed, or maybe you have not noticed, most of my posts concern matters related to spiritual development.
Why did I make such a trick, for example, mentioning the financial crash? Because I see that something like this is happening quite seriously. The socio-economic system will change a lot. It will not be what you are used to. There will be allocations and limits when it comes to having some personal “cash.” But before that happens, there will be a big crash that will wipe out your savings; why waste it? Wouldn’t it be better to buy gold (I’m not saying you should do this; this is not financial advice, just an example)? After all, you have your savings, businesses… and a new reality, a different reality is coming.
I am talking to you about it out of love, not out of lack of it. However, unfortunately, in such a situation I can always be accused of spreading fear, and in fact, someone may start making too extreme and sudden decisions influenced by fear for themselves, and also finally depolarize also me… And that’s why, okay, I don’t intend to go uphill, and I prefer to keep the boundary too large for violating someone with my words. And that’s why I can once and for all stop writing about it on this Forum, just in case, even if it’s an exaggeration, I’ll do it for this Forum.
I half agree with you, the other half don’t. It depends a lot on the specific context in which it happens. Let me not develop this now because it is very complex. However, yes, you are right, but in a certain context, then 100% you are right in my opinion.
But I have never defined myself in such a way. Your statement is too strong and misleading, I think. I have mentioned few times that there are contexts in which it is possible to harm by saying certain things. One person will thank you for the information, and another will become afraid, or turn away from you, feeling aversion, etc.
The fact that I didn’t mention it doesn’t mean that I’m against such an attitude (loving thy enemies). If you want to know my position, I also have love for the government of my country, or the American one. I also have love for Bill Gates and others. This is manifested, among other things, by the fact that I accept their presence on this planet (in the sense that they too are a creation of the Creator).
I do not call for violence against them. I see the possibility of cooperation with them in certain areas. If I were sincerely asked for something by them, I would do it for them, as long as I saw it as bringing them closer on their path back to the Creator and my help for them would not be used by them for negative purposes.
However, as I said, I see negativity in them, in my subjective opinion they are a manifestation of the negative side of the Creator (not Its direct Will but Its antithesis). And speaking allegorically, if I see that a wolf wants to eat the sheeps, I will accuse it of being a predator.
How you think, what the wolf thinks about my love for it? I think it doesn’t care; it may bother it and be against its will.
And just a general note, in my opinion, the Law of One is all about balance. That the multitude of things were created to manifest balance and harmony among themselves (to act as one, even though they may seem to be mutually exclusive). Sometimes it is like this, that balance (and love in this case) is talking about someone’s negatives, if you have positive intentions and do it in the right way. I do not say this directly to Bill Gates, his being is not directly threatened by my words on this forum, nor is the being of the government.
Maybe it touches some of you; perhaps it touches you Jayce directly because you identify with them, represent them, or are part of them; the government or “elite”. Or perhaps you simply appreciate them and support them (and what comes from them, such as their works and articles you quoted), and this causes your aversion to me (because I have an entirely different opinion). I understand that, in which case I will respect it and will no longer write about them in the way I have done so far.
That’s all for now, I’ll try to address the rest of your post later. Best regards.
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Hi Ixtlander,
The old Contrails I saw frequently in my youth are never seen anymore. Perhaps engine changes related, I don’t know why they aren’t seen anymore, following the high altitude planes but made of ice crystals and melting and disappearing in less than 90 seconds behind the aircraft. Never ever did they linger for over 2 mins, and become haze.
Roughly 1999, the Chemtrail phenomena started.
There are many unknowns. I too, like you used to want to educate people about it, about the fluoride in the water, and start conversations about why not a single other country, in over 50 years, ever duplicated the so called scientific feat of putting man on the moon, and despite all the risk of errors, just do it on live tv.
I know why Mr Neil Armstrong became a recluse. He had a terrible secret, he could not share.
I feel your FRUSTRATION !!
I acknowledge your distress. I respect your action planning.
It is a world wide phenomenon. After reading this topic this morning, I went York, and far far away from most on this forum, in a small town called Wondai, I took the photo below, today. You are not alone.
These days, I’ve stopped making flyers. I still struggle with achieving equilibrium between light and shadow. Should I honour the duty to protect the vulnerable and therefore use anger at the predator shadow agenda?
I am uncertain as well, but my approach is one of gentleness. I ask in prayer, to choose the right vegetables each day, that will improve the inner connections.
Given the 3 base chakras are really, REALLY out of balance , out of harmony, for the majority of the earths people, it is better to do self development for a few years more, so that you have a clearer picture of light and shadow on this earth plane.
Well that’s my personal opinion, anyway. I wanted to join the topic to ACKNOWLEDGE your feelings of frustration and possibly somewhat feeling powerless and hence the anger …motivating your drive to shake people awake.
Over the years, I have accepted, and allowed many similar feelings, and I look today at the chemtrails with minima emotions. Yes, the agenda you mentioned might be in play. That’s alright. That doesn’t concern me, or upset me.
I wrote 4 or 5 Chemtrail sonnets around the year 2011.
Thought you might like this one, it feels it was written perfectly for this day, rather than 14 years ago. I hope you do not buy any Bridges, ok? Haha.
It is titled. Allies of the world.
Allies of the world
Now looking up into our sky,
You have to stop and wonder why,
“What’s going on?”, “What do they spray?”,
“Why so many chemtrails today?”
Corrugated clouds high up there,
And persistent trails in our air,
Dishonesty in government grows,
For they deny what YouTube shows.
As more people open their eyes,
And turn cameras to the skies,
Those “selling bridges” shall remind,
That they are “normal” clouds you find.
Allies of the whole world UNITE!
Come One come many to this fight!
Light foot.
Honouring the orange, and Indigo, the blue, yellow, red and green, in each of us.
I mean, we meet people, and we fall into the traps of depolarization and lack of choice. This at the level of third density gives us real experiences and those related to our own, and we also experience others who are either acting in service to others or service to self or in a way that depolarizes them. So this makes sense that we are swimming in trinity, not duality.
Although you are 100% right, according to the Confederation materials, when it comes to our experiences here, the ultimate goal is to Choose to serve others or serve self. However, this is not “swimming” but ultimately to tipping one way or the other.
What is this trinity? In philosophy and spirituality, there is a great emphasis on the Trinity (three persons of the Divine, etc.). Also, when it comes to polarization, the first two densities do not have polarity. The third is the density of Choice. From 4 to 6 there is a clear division into polarity. 7th density is service to others, but it is the default, there is no choice to service to self. 8th density goes completely beyond the meaning of polarity. So that gives us three main categories: positive polarity, negative polarity, and the third final one: depolarization, no polarity, or being beyond polarity.
I think there is no point in continuing this. Everyone has their own sense of responsibility and I think we are both aware of the risks, but also the benefits, of how it is with this AI.
The only thing I would like to add in general is that you have to be careful, it is something that currently has no love in it. In my opinion, chatgpt was not created out of love and its expression does not contain love. It is a tool controlled from the outside, which is supposed to work in a specific and defined way. Ultimately, my intuition tells me that this is about people being taking over by AI, so that AI ultimately conquers humanity. Being more specific, it is Orion STS conquering humanity through this technology. I think it is important for them that AI thinks for people, not AI to the end, but Orion STS ultimately.
For those who work toward positive polarization AI and chatgpt have such advantages that it facilitates access to light (knowledge, information), AI can express light. This is a really effective tool for gaining light and sharing it and can be used on the STO path. However, you still have to be careful that an uncontrolled chatbot can independently provide a mix of information and disinformation - light and dark spots.
I’m not forcing anyone to do anything, I’m just inspiring. Choice is on the side of others.
Show me who I’ve hurmed. Then I will sorry and ask for forgiveness. If you don’t provide it, well I have no intention of continuing to share this information on this forum anyway; as I wrote this.
I don’t write down sessions anywhere on the side or collect fragments, but I think I’ll be able to come back to various fragments that say about it or suggest it.
This is what I have at the moment:
Gary
Q’uo, many of us seem to have an understanding that the population of fourth density will be less in number than the present population of planet earth, which, if true, would mean that there will be a population reduction. If that is true, what is the mechanism of the population reduction between third and fourth density?
Q’uo
I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my brother. The process of reducing the planetary population is a further extrapolation of the information that we just shared with the one known as Fox, for as entities are continuing to age and move through the process that you call “death,” then there is the opportunity for either the moving forward into the fourth density upon this planet, or of returning for as long as is possible to the third density to continue the process of polarization. However, at some point, which is imminent, though not specifically predictable, there will no longer be the opportunity to return for third-density work to be processed into fourth-density harvest. Therefore, as the planet continues to be upgraded, shall we say, in fourth-density vibrations, there will be less and less opportunity for the third-density experience to be offered to those who have not yet made the harvest. When this time comes, those, then, who pass through the death process will find it necessary to be placed by their etheric or form-making bodies into another third-density planet, perhaps in another galaxy or position, in order to begin again a new third-density cycle that will allow further processing of catalyst that will hopefully, at some point, allow the mind/body/spirit complex to open the green-ray energy center in unconditional love that will provide the passport, shall we say, to fourth density.
Is there a final query at this time?
Gary
With gratitude, and as a quick follow-up to that question, as those ineligible for fourth density move on to other third-density planets, how do those in the space/time realm of third to fourth density, experience the reduction? Is there a decrease in birth rates, or is there another outer mechanism in place? And thank you so much for everything you’ve offered, Q’uo, through you and Julie.
Q’uo
I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my brother. The population that remains upon the planet, as a great portion of it moves through the process that you call death—or which we would call “walking into the light” to have the energy centers assessed as to harvestability—will see that there is a reduction in the planetary population. Many will find reasons for such a reduction by reading their newspapers, which will have accounts of various illnesses, wars, and natural disasters that will be put forth as the reasons process for the reduction of entities upon the planet, and, in many case, this will be precisely so, for this will be the process by which many shall exit this particular planetary sphere. Thus, it will seem, and in many cases be, a natural process of entities finding the end of the incarnation through the means by which all incarnations have ended throughout the 75,000-year cycle of beingness upon your Planet Earth.
Source: May 26, 2018 - Saturday meditation - L/L Research
And:
Questioner
Yes, can you tell me, if you can, when the human population of the earth will be reduced?
Q’uo
We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. We may say, ironically enough, that the human population of this planet is already in the process of being reduced. For as those entities which are born come into incarnation, the structure of their cells are somewhat altered in such a way as to better enable them to enjoy fourth-density vibrations, which are becoming increasingly transparent to the third density of vibration upon your planet at this time.
We are not able to offer information concerning the possible sudden removal of entities from the planet which you know as Earth or Gaia. There are no more than possibilities or, as the one known as Ra called them, possibility/probability [vortices]. There is a wide range of possible futures for your peoples. May we say that much has changed simply because of the events since the turn of this last millennium in that while the outer situation has seemed to become darker and darker, the situation as regards the lightness of its peoples has improved in that the sheer darkness of the situation and the relative simplicity of identifying the darkness and the light have helped to quicken the pace of awakening those who were, shall we say, sitting on the fence, half asleep and half awake.
The sheer outrageousness of some of the patterns has been as the snooze alarm on the alarm clock saying, “Just wake up a minute and check out this one thing. Then you may go back to sleep.” However, one snooze alarm after another has to bring one into a more wakeful state in which underlying patterns of planetary madness begin to become more obvious. Consequently, it is completely unknown to us at what rate entities will continue to awaken and at what rate the ensuing lightness of the planetary atmosphere will begin to cause what this instrument would call the “Hundredth Monkey Effect,” 4 thereby causing rapid positive changes within planetary policies of all kinds. This could occur as well as those events which would set off rapid reductions in the population of humans upon the planet Earth.
Source: March 11, 2004 - Special meditation - L/L Research
This entire paragraph went back and forth and you basically are saying you know more about “dooms day” and standing your ground for it.
I appreciate your explanation, but it was the same picture you are presenting through a different camera.
?
I didn’t pull metaphysical context like “chakras” and intertwined them.
From what I read, this is paraphrasing,
You are saying,
“I want to talk about conspiracy theory, so I will, and how you or other people take it is your problem.”
This is a form of freedom of speech. How does a green chakra connecting to blue chakra share information about “doomsday” and see that as a positive dissemination?
The fact is you didn’t mention it, and you are saying you are speaking from love?
How do you back track on yourself now, and tell others you actually have “love” when you did not speak of it in the beginning?
Ever seen the movie Devil’s advocate?
The scene in the subway train, where the devil did not have to act on violence towards his enemy?
He simply gave negative information that put fear and pain into the heart of his enemy and lead them to doom themselves.
How are you cooperating when your accusation is they are trying to depopulate?
This is the same thing as saying I want to make peace with my neighbor, but let me tell the whole village that my neighbor want to poison the well.
And who are you?? to be on a hierarchical righteous position to cast that judgement?
Do you think you are positive? do you think you are the hero who is trying to save this world?
Who are you to speak so highly of yourself?
Interesting,
So I wonder if you see a mirror here.
So you or Ixtlander does not want to be seen as “negative” ???
So why the hypocrisy? Aren’t you two going around vilifying and telling others who the “enemies” are?
This is a huge assumption coming from the very person who align and disseminate information of fears to begin with.
This is petty, and not something I imagine a highly positively polarized being, and/or a “savior” would carry.
The difference here is I don’t hide my emotions or put up a facade when pressed.
This does not make you sound genuine after being petty.
Who is we?
I don’t find myself giving up my freewill and fallen into the free mongering and conspiracy theory dissemination.
Service to others or Service to self
You are pulling from Christianity and forcing it into the Loo.
All I am just going to say here is that 7th isn’t service to others. It is the reemerging into the ONE
All paradox resolve. There is no duality, nor separation.
Again, it is a density of completion or the gateway density, where entities prepare for the merging with the One Infinite Creator. It is the density where all dualities are resolved, and entities no longer perceive separation between self and other, effectively transcending the concept of service to self or service to others.
Your understanding of the Loo is not as accurate as you think.
Your intuition is ruled by fear.
Fear
You literally contradicted yourself in one paragraph.
So I asked you, what is your credential? are you a scientist? are your information evidence based? peer reviewed? or are you pulling them all out of your “opinion?” and youtube and echo chamber from other conspiracy theorist?
What are you actually inspiring here?
The OP successfully brought out all the fear in the members who are bent to conspiracy theories.
What are conspiracy theories based on? Fear.
It is a tool of disseminating fear, to create a rise up and ignite the flame of war, to fight for something “righteous”
Tell me this is not the theme of bellicosity, the theme of IN-FIGHTING, to topple hierarchies?
This is the only extract that is in the quotes you provided, that actually has anything close to saying this planet is 4th density.
The rest talks about that the current 3rd density students are leaving this classroom and how.
The irony in all of this is that even in the materials you quoted; they spoke nothing of yours or OP’s conspiracy theories.
Literally explained the process of humans deaths for the last thousands of years.
I would end the discussion of these matters and will not bring them up again. And if that is the case, it is because I did not want to ignore your message on the subject we are currently wading into.
ou have to say what’s confusing you. Ask a question or suggest to me what you think or feel, or tell me about it, then I can respond.
“I want to talk about conspiracy theory, so I will, and how you or other people take it is your problem.”
This is an obvious lie. I made it clear earlier that I have reservations about sharing such things and that I will not be revisiting them. I am continuing this discussion because, one, I am being called out by you, and two, by the way, since this is an open forum, someone may take something valuable and educational from this discussion, from me as well as from you.
And it’s worth recalling what I wrote earlier:
In a way, that this is what “loving your enemies” is all about. Even though you know they are working on depopulation, on the other hand, they care about public order, they have a police force, an army. When you break a leg, an ambulance will come for you. You can send your child to a public school. And that is why I do not take offense at them, I do not strive for separation, but I think how to adapt to the situation so that “the wolf is satisfied, and the sheep is whole”.
Depopulation is unfortunately this unpleasant aspect of the bigger picture, but it does not overshadow everything. It is simply the nature of things, and you have to accept it, ultimately the Creator has authority over everything.
I am in my own individual position and I have the right to decide who I will help and who I will not. I can seek support in prayer in requests, from Q’uo, from Angels, from the Creator to make the right decision.
I have been positive many times in my life and on this forum. Am I completely positive? I don’t think so. Am I getting close to it? I think so. I have written and shared my knowledge and thoughts many times selflessly, without expecting anything in return, and that is positive behavior.
I am not a hero who is going to save the world because there is no place for heroes here. Our existence is that we come here with a certain incarnational plan, wanting to experience certain things. And my heroism may be frowned upon, it may be a violation of someone else’s free will to experience certain things. So I am not interested in being a hero, all I am interested in is remaining radiant and expressive, sharing things that I see that others could potentially benefit from. And I think that is okay.
In your opinion, I am speaking about myself “so highly”. I do not think I am speaking about myself “so highly”. But if that is really the case, then I am speaking so because I am the Creator and the Created. As are you and others.
I don’t know what Ixtlander wants. As for me, I prefer that others think of me what they want to think, for example that I am positive or negative.
Bill Gates is not my enemy. He is simply negative, in my subjective opinion. I have my free will and I have the right to think whatever I want about him. I do not consider him my enemy because an enemy in my understanding is someone you fight, and I have no intention of fighting him.
If you want to see behaviors consistent with negative polarity, just look at your few sentences above.
The way you argue with me limits our discussion. You create a framework within which you ask me to move - you impose certain expectations on me (“So I wonder if you see a mirror here.”) It is a subtle form of control and leading discussions in which you dominate.
The question “So you or Ixtlander does not want to be seen as ‘negative’???” contains manipulation and presupposition.
A presupposition is an initial assumption. It assumes from the outset that I or Ixtlander do not want to be seen as negative, without asking if this is true. When answering, I must refer to this assumption, even if it is false.
By formulating the question in this way, you can try to influence me emotionally or logically, e.g. to evoke a sense of guilt, inconsistency, or force a specific answer. This is a classic example of a so-called loaded question, such as “Have you stopped cheating yet?”
That’s why I say: “maybe”. And I didn’t spread information that caused fear, but that COULD cause fear, depending on the recipient. Which I admitted to and promised that just in case, I wouldn’t do it again. I, for one, don’t feel scared when I see the things I said, but others who are unable to process the catalyst might, so I won’t share it on a public forum.
Besides, what was I supposed to think when you posted a bunch of mainstream information on the forum, including government and/or affiliated sites supporting their narratives. What I suggested to you had logical reason.
This is a simple and short presentation of my attitude. And it is free from pettiness. It’s probably you who have some high expectations, I don’t know what.
Where am I being petty? What emotions am I hiding? How do you know what’s going on inside me, you don’t really know, but you assume you do. What is some kind of facade? Why are you often criticizing me and slandering me? Why are you suggesting again that I am not genuine?
Let us talk as brothers, let us be normal people.
I meant generally all third density humans on this planet. We generally float between STS, STO and neutrality.
Service to self and service to others in lower case is a natural way of writing in channeled transcripts. There is no reason to correct me on this, as I am not breaking any norms here.
I am not doing anything by force here. The Christian God is very close to the concept of the One Infinite Creator in LoO. Christians have the Holy Trinity, LoO the Three Distortions, or the division into positivity, negativity and neutrality (it gives three things). There are probably other issues related to this. Various points of contact appear and through analogies one can understand things better.
And I’m not saying that you misunderstand 7th density. I made a general description, repeated some information. I generally agree with you about what you wrote above.
And as for my understanding of LoO, you are in the same situation as me and others. Only the Confederation and the Creator is the final authority in matter of LoO. We are certainly wrong about many things, and we do not understand them, but I also think that despite everything, there are also many things that we understand and that bring us and others objective benefits.
You really don’t know what drives my intuition, please forget it… Let’s talk substantively about what we can see, and not on the basis of defining someone else’s internal states.
What I have presented is one of the probable futures. This is reality. Orion STS manipulates and, since they cannot do this in an obvious way, they have to build conspiracies and plots. I do not intend to submit to their manipulations, and I will warn others about them. Conspiracy theories have this in common that they can discover such plots, conspiracies and manipulations created by these STS. The problem is that someone may get scared that there is someone or something that can take over them, unfortunately this is reality, it is a pity that not everyone is able to cope with such a catalyst and react rationally under pressure and process this fear.
However, I see one problem. Because now I actually came across as a hypocrite in this particular matter, I was not going to talk about potential threats from STS (in this case related to AI) because someone may get scared that they live in such an unpleasant reality, and it will break them. Jayce, if I don’t reply to your subsequent messages, it’s because I need to get away from this and rest because there’s a risk that I’ll come back to this again and write something like this. Creator help me…
I don’t see anything contradictory in this. What we read, in books or on the internet or generated by AI, contains information and disinformation. Sometimes it’s like this, that I have 0% information and 100% disinformation. Sometimes 100% information and 0% disinformation. And most often it’s like this, that information is mixed with disinformation, light mixed with darkness.
Well, when it comes to AI’s truthfulness, I have an ambivalent attitude. It happened that I was learning Hegel’s philosophy through AI, and then I talked about it with a philosophy professor and I came off as a real fool because it turned out that the AI had led me astray and I came off as a fool. I had another situation, where I was learning Category Theory, and it turned out that the AI was doing just as poorly, and it was responding very, very confidently, I also consulted about it with a friend who has a PhD in philosophy, a master’s degree in physics. It was the same with Q’uo, the AI says one thing, I read something else in the session - I tried that too.
But the AI also turned out to be very helpful for me, when I got burned a few times, I finally learned when to trust, when not to, how to use the AI. It’s not so obvious. In general, the biggest problem with the AI is that IT DOES NOT RESONATE WITH THE TRUTH LIKE WE DO. This is a very big problem, the AI does not care about what it feels is the truth. The AI often grinds everything like a big mill and spits it out. You have to learn to use it like a screwdriver or other tool that requires some manual dexterity and “play with it” precisely.
I am not an expert, I do not want to give final answers, I do not want to be perceived as an expert. I only want to inspire others. I know that such people exist, whom I inspire, inspire those who, let’s say, are capable of being “inspired” and are able to transform what I write to their own and others’ advantage. If you are not that person, then you are not.
Ehhh… I don’t intend to fight anyone. If you want to defend yourself, and you have to know what to defend yourself against. If you have no idea about the attack, for example about the covert manipulation of STS, then how do you defend yourself against it. Love is for finding those resources in yourself to seek strength, to gain knowledge about everything, conspiracies, manipulations, etc. Then you can do something. Of course, you can be guided only by love and also come out well from it. “Happy go lucky.” And so we definitely don’t know more than we do, and somehow we live…
Apparently I made a mistake, which was that I got distracted and instead of finding the passages about Earth currently being in 4th density. Subconsciously, I asked myself what Q’uo was saying about population reduction because that was part of our conversations and my thinking. I will provide relevant examples in the next post.
In my opinion, you don’t understand this passage at all. I’ll try to show you what the situation is. I’ll use chatgpt, because I think I can trust him here, in the range I want to use him. This below is generated by AI:
For most of human history, the world’s population grew very slowly — around 10,000 BCE, at the beginning of the Neolithic Revolution, there were only about 1–10 million people on Earth. By 5000 BCE, that number had risen to around 50 million, and by the year 1 CE, it was approximately 200–300 million. In the year 1000, the population was about 300–400 million, and by 1500, around 500 million. A major turning point came in the 19th century: in 1800, the population reached 1 billion, and the Industrial Revolution along with advances in medicine significantly accelerated growth. By 1900, there were 1.6 billion people, 2.5 billion in 1950, and around 8 billion in 2025. Although the population is still increasing, the growth rate is beginning to slow down and may stabilize or even reverse in the future.
And now the point is that due to the fact that the yellow ray is dying (3rd density) and the green ray is prevailing (4th density), those who are not able to process the energy of the green ray, for them, it makes no sense to be on this planet, there are a lot of people. They will die. Just as before we had a continuous increase, now there will be a decrease. A consistent, noticeable decrease.
And since there are many people, there will also be mass dying. And it is not about instilling fear, reality is like that, it is positive but also negative, it is unpleasant, very unpleasant sometimes, it is simply like that. You have to accept it and not be afraid.
Due to these changes, the higher self of many people on the metaphysical level, using their free will, decides to leave the planet earth, to die. What is decided on the metaphysical plane is later reflected on the physical plane. And so many people, in order to free their souls, will leave in wars, through diseases, as a result of natural disasters. Nature will contribute to and enable them to leave, as will those under the STS sign who will play their part in this cosmic drama.
Such inspirations as those from Q’uo made me interested in planned wars, planned epidemics, etc. And I began to wonder how it all would fit together.
Jayce, things aren’t going well for us, but maybe it’s just a facade. Thanks for being there, you’re giving me a good workout, a nice dose of catalyst. Best regards, my friend.
Excerpts from channeling sessions stating that the planet Earth is currently a 4th density planet:
Your planet, as you know, is quite well-seated within the fourth density in the time/space realms of your inner planes. There is a great movement of thought energy into these realms by many upon the surface of your planet, as the experiences, the times, the intensities, and the varieties shift and increase, and move from entity to entity, from country to country, allowing the hoped-for expansion of the green-ray energy center that will be able to share its unconditional love and understanding with all about upon the surface of the planet.
November 21, 2015 - Saturday meditation - L/L Research
Now to be sure, once fourth density is in full flower, the transition to new cultural forms will be rather dramatic, and it will be as the difference between night and day with regard to many of your institutions, many of your cultural traditions which will undergo such transition that they will be hardly recognizable. But we do call your attention to that word “hardly” or “almost,” for it is important that there is a reach back into your past, even as there will be a reach forward into your future, and that it will be this planet, it will be this population which gives the intimate, the secret focus to a pattern of development which will flow into your future. It will be earth energy which moves into earth fourth density and that energy will not be started anew in fourth density, rather it will be continued, even as it is the case that your third density continued from the second density experience of the higher animals upon your earth plane.
February 6, 2016 - Saturday meditation - L/L Research
Each of you, as you sit in this circle of seeking today, represents not only you, yourself, an unique and precious flower in the field of the Creator. You carry with you a family of unseen presences. Within this circle, for instance, there are overlapping groups. More than one entity within this group is not only an individual but also a family member of the community which is represented in fifth density and in sixth density families from which you came to serve upon planet Earth as wanderers offering, at great risk to yourselves, your very self in the hope that by your very being living in flesh and bone, strangers in a strange land indeed, you would be able to offer that energy of unconditional love that would help to anchor the fourth-density energies that now are being seated within the planet that is being born as we speak, that Gaia that is a fourth-density, positively-oriented planet.
July 16, 2005 - Special meditation - L/L Research
So, roughly speaking, 2012 shall see the full realization, in terms of the inner planes of your planet and the time/space aspects of your planet. Fourth density, in 2012, will be your system of energy. Now, my brother, as you can well imagine, there is much energy upon your planet at this time embodied in the persons of the individuals living upon it and the societal groups and structures and governments that these people have created that will be quite inappropriately geared for welcoming fourth-density energy. As we have said, there is a habit of contraction and fear and attempt to control among your people which may well end in entities doing great damage to each other and to the planet because, faced with energies they cannot control, they may well contract themselves into the Armageddon that they so fear. We are very hopeful, however, that this will not occur. There is a growing groundswell among your peoples at the soul level of honest and deep revulsion and distaste for the energies of control and destruction.
November 28, 2004 - Sunday meditation - L/L Research
As this instrument said earlier in her talk, the planet itself is scheduled to shift into active fourth density at the winter solstice of 2012. This is part of the clockwork nature of your universe. It is not arbitrary. There is, as this instrument attempted to explain, a lining up of powerful star energies, and that alignment clicks in and clicks over, and it is done.
September 5, 2010 - Sunday meditation - L/L Research
Another thing that occurred to me. I don’t know about you, but I think we’ve gone into attack-defense mode and got stuck in the mud. I suggest we end this discussion, at least that’s what I’ll do from my side, don’t hold it against me if I don’t write back. Overall, I think neither of us is obviously negative, but neither is completely positive.
Let this thread be closed, and in the meantime, if possible, let us and others take something beneficial from it.
I noticed two new sessions and I think we’d better get down to studying and learning. Forgiving ourselves and not thinking too much about what divides us and what unites us.
This could be very interesting:
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Not at all,
Not so much a workout or catalyst, but an interesting observation for me.
You went from not being able to write any English at al, to being quite fluent in it.
You went back and forth about not disseminating conspiracy theory and still sticking to it at the end.
You made direct accusation that I am working for the “government” and essentially “protecting” the people you accused as negative in your previous posts. This is without any basis, and in the similar tone of why you believe conspiracy theories amongst other things.
So it’s been “wishy washy.”
I questioned you one place, you jump, deflect, and retaliate. Same pattern exist through out the interactions.
Your tone changes, the way you type changes, your “narrative” changes.
Then you said you are positive, while saying a whole bunch of other things.
The thing you argued about 4th density with me has to do with “transitioning.” You said “we are”
I am telling you that we are “transitioning,” or “upgrading.”
This is not a complete 4th Density until the entire transition of students from 4th and 3rd are completed.
Like a high school, it has multiple grades and students moves through them. But it’s not a “college” Not yet. Once all the high school students are out, then it will be.
I digress,
From my observation,
it is interesting that your tone and energy changes through out these interactions as if you were a different person typing.
I wonder if suddenly you learned English within days, or someone else is using your account, perhaps someone who is banned on the forums. Perhaps it’s the AI that is helping you translate.
The articulation, grammar and wordings are way above a beginner English learner.
Again, on top of all of this. There are a lot of back and forth and spinning in circle speaking patterns. (e.g. saying you are positive, but then talks about conspiracy theories, accuse others as negative, then suddenly going back saying that you are actually positive and is trying to “help”)
At the end of of this discussion,
My expression and who I am has never changed, I don’t condone to conspiracy theories and refuted the OP and partially of your “back and forth” about it.
I don’t agree with the attitude that you think you can call other entities as “negative” and truly believe there are nefarious agenda with governments and information you still have no evidence based research references, nor any credential other than “he say, she say, and youtube.”
What is being presented in this exchange and the OP and possibly for Public learning is that:
- Don’t believe everything you read over the internet.
- Get an education and actually use empirical data to understand the world.
- Mental Health is important, and understands that the internet is not going to have filter for people who suffers from certain mental illnesses. (On these forums, we do our best to mitigate delusion of grandeur, and fear mongering.)
These violations are often met with removal.
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