What is so negative about the intelligent/rational/logic mind?

I have a dilemma. I have a couple of questions and wanted to ask them creating new topic. I already created one earlier, but saved it as draft and didn’t publish. I was doubting how such questions impact. Both questions are about crusaders. Counting that what I said above is correct, it’s related to myself. Asking about crusaders, what impact it will have on people? On the one hand what I said about the book is correct and such information is helpful. On another hand how much sense does it have on spending people’s time and attention on such things? Will it be more helpful to discover let’s say how to open the green-ray? I’m not saying about me, I’m saying about people who read. Even more, what if such question will produce anxiety or even fear? Will it bring more positivity or negativity? It depends on people who read. I weighed it internally and declined to public. Probably Ra were replying reluctantly on some questions for the same reason.

Maybe just start your own thread so we don’t derail this one :+1:

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The balance and interplay between intelligence and intuition is a tricky one for me.

Indeed, I think the concept of “wisdom” describes a quality that includes both intelligence/intellect and intuition. It’s something I’d like to ask the Confederation about in the future – what do they really mean by wisdom, and how does that get distinguished from love? I know Q’uo has talked about the “wisdom of the heart” before, and I would like to get clearer on the poles of love and wisdom that they seem to juxtapose.

Oleksi has a great point about the ability to effect order through the intellect and the way intellect can help with acceptance. I think they’re spot on! The thing about the intellect and the intelligibility of our experience is that it exhibits pereceptible patterns, it has elements that allow for one to cooperate with the Creation in better or worse ways. In these patterns, one begins to accrue biases that position one emotionally in relation to the ideals that these patterns imperfectly instantiate. The bias may be that it’s too upsetting for reality to diverge too greatly from the ideal, and the self then desperately tries to bring reality into perfection with the pattern. Or the bias may be to note to the self the uniqueness of reality with the ideal being a kind of index point, and to allow the ideal and actual to both exist with one’s love and acceptance.

But you can see in this example, I hope, that it is the emotional or heart-based bias that drives one use of the intellect over another. It’s not inherent in the intellect itself, but it is inherent in the liminality of spiritual evolution. Another way of putting it is that the intellect provides the basis for making polarized choices (not service polarity, just the idea of polarity as two stark opposites) but cannot inform the will to choose.

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Hey guys! Been a minute. I had to scour SubSpace for some new intel.

I haven’t read every single one of the replies on here, so I’ll just toss some fuel onto this EXTREMELY good intellectual discussion here and then walk away to see how hot the match it. :wink: I WILL return later to read everyone else’s thoughts, because you have all obviously put a ton of thought into these replies and this looks to be one of the best threads I’ve seen on this forum yet!

Harold, Q’uo was quoted above and they basically said exactly that. So …

My flamethrower question is this. We all – and again, I’m skimming here, but – we all seem to be in agreement that the intent of the Q’uo quote is not so much to abandon the rational mind, but to quiet it, to allow the Heart-Mind, if you will, to shine through and “think” for you.

… However … We all know that these Confederation types choose their English words very carefully. Now, perhaps the channel was faulty here … But I am indeed curious as to why they would choose such a loaded and – if I daresay – negatively charged word as “sacrifice.”

Don’t disagree but sadly, the Positive Light Warrior must know the darkest tactics of the Loyal Opposition in order to avoid entrapment.

My quick take: Knowledge is Power. Just don’t EVER let it get absolute.

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It looks like, for the Confederation at least, that the sacrifice is actually backward. :wink:

So then it’s another sacrifice to then get back to the previous state?

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Is it possible to re-ask them what they meant?

They may have been referring to the difference between doing work within incarnation versus the work one can do outside a specific incarnation.

71.7

Questioner: Is the process in positive time/space identical with the process in negative time/space for this healing?

Ra: I am Ra. The process in space/time of the forgiveness and acceptance is much like that in time/space in that the qualities of the process are analogous. However, while in space/time it is not possible to determine the course of events beyond the incarnation but only to correct present imbalances. In time/space, upon the other hand, it is not possible to correct any unbalanced actions but rather to perceive the imbalances and thusly forgive the self for that which is.

The decisions then are made to set up the possibility/probabilities of correcting these imbalances in what you call future space/time experiences. The advantage of time/space is that of the fluidity of the grand overview. The advantage of space/time is that, working in darkness with a tiny candle, one may correct imbalances.

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This is an interesting passage as it points to the way mentation skews our perception of reality by magnifying the importance of the elements of the illusion. It strikes me–at this moment–that wisdom may have something to do with the balance point one maintains, with what seems important within the illusion on one side and what seems important beyond the illusion on the other. Anyhow, returning to the topic of this thread, it’s not that mentally acquired and processed information is negative, per se, but that it exaggerates the importance of inherently insubstantial information, such as how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or what 6D life on a future planet Earth will be like.

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Ope! My mistake, sorry for any confusion

Yes, I do wonder, since Q’uo channelings are more of a “wideband” channeling vs Ra’s “narrowband”, whether the quote could be more precise linguistically. I find that I need to practice a bit more discernment when reading a Q’uote.

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Rational / logical mind doesn’t need to be sacrificed, however it need to be balanced.
Balanced with “heart mind” or “intuition”.

Q’uo explained the topic here:

Logical mind is like a knife meant to dissect, things into parts, which then become more discernable, then dissect again. Thus progressing further into separation and then separation and then separation.

Yet due to the ‘veil of forgetting’, the logical mind always missed the basic context and assumption that every part that it has defined through dissection are actually part of the unified one.

With addition of ‘ego’ subroutine inside the logical mind, it will also have tendency to make use the gained understanding of ‘other parts/selves’ for only the benefit of the ‘ego’ self. The ‘what’s in it for me / us’ subroutine.
Where me/us here refer to only ‘limited self’.
Thus it need to be properly balanced.

Sensual things are not generally negative, yet it can be negative (or positive).

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So, in other words … There is no spoon? :wink:

Of course! You have two sites of contact with the Confederation through which to pose the question. If the one featured exclusively on this site isn’t interested in pursuing this, reach out personally to me about the other. These are exactly the kinds of seeking questions that this should all be about. :clap:

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Just ran across this quote from feb 7 ‘97:

The heavy illusion in which you now enjoy living is specifically designed to promote confusion and being lost and at sea and unable to order the universe by means of your intellect. This is what your illusion is supposed to do, to pull you off that intellectually safe balance point from which you may carefully judge and logically grade all incoming sensory data, thereby insuring that your universe shall continue to be as you have set it up to be.

Let me just reiterate my opinion that once you’ve read the Ra transcripts a few times, reading through the conscious channeling library really really helps with grounding this info, feeling into its contours and texture so that the abstract philosophy starts to become something more actionable and tangible in one’s life.

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Found nice phrase about negative information. I think key work is desiring:

24.8 Yet free will must be maintained and those desiring negatively oriented information, as you would call it, must then be satisfied by those moving through by the window effect.

@Thinghood

You are asking the most important questions. And you remind me of myself.
I will tell you what I did. See if you can make something out of it:

Instead of trying to take the big leap to the ultimate goal. Imagine.

Imagine the world you want to live in and how you want to live.

Start with your current world view. What do you like about the world you are in? What don’t you like? Imagine what would need to be changed? How would the beings of the world need to change? Their and your capabilities, senses, perception? Be bold, be creative. Your mind is limitless.

In case you encounter any problems during your imaginative thought process, improve upon your imagination.

At some point you will mentally arrive at an imagination of a desirable, consistent and credible world and you might not be able to improve any further because there might be imagined issues that you can’t seem to solve in your mind.

It is this world that should be your next destination. And it might still be a world that can be experienced, sensed, that might be built upon the concepts of space and time and that might be quantifiable, measurable and describable by scientific models. And the beings of your imagined world might use technology. Or maybe not. However, It will be the result of your own imaginative efforts.

Now, will it be the ultimate answer? Maybe not, but it will be the next place for you to make your next experiences to learn what then needs to be changed in turn and how to move forward.

And yes - maybe you will eventually come to the conclusion that undifferentiated oneness is the answer. Maybe not. Or maybe you will find your very own understanding of Oneness. That will make you look back at this very moment with a sympathetic and loving smile on your face directed at your past self.

The point I am making is: It is your journey. Your way forward.

If there is one thing we can learn from the myriads of stars in the sky. There is infinite possibility, infinite places, infinite experiences, infinite points of view and there are infinite ways to learn.

You are nowhere near a sinkhole my dear friend.

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