# Were all Maldeck souls whether incarnated or not in the Knot?

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**Created:** [February 14, 2024, 9:21pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830 "2024-02-14T21:21:23Z")\
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**Author:** ![Owana](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/owana/32/2844_2.png) [@Owana](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Owana)\
**Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 9:21pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830/1 "2024-02-14T21:21:23Z")

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As RA stated None were spared from the knot of confusion when the Maldeck was blown up. So I am asking if only incarnated souls were in the knot or were all densities in the knot?

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**Author:** ![Stephen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@Stephen](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Stephen)\
**Post date:** [February 15, 2024, 2:46am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830/2 "2024-02-15T02:46:34Z")

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Welcome, Owana. I did some searching and found these selections which might help answer your question:

> The name we have for that planet is Maldek. That particular planet chose consciously the evil way. Thus, it destroyed itself. [1980-0525](https://llresearch.org/channeling/1980/0525)

> Those of the Maldekian origin, as you have come to know this race, have in great numbers incarnated upon your own planetary sphere from the beginning of its third-density cycle in order that they might make alleviation of their actions upon the planet you have called Maldek. [1985-0428](https://llresearch.org/channeling/1985/0428)

> The most notable influence of the destruction of the planet known as Maldek upon your own planet was that after the population of the planet known as Maldek had recovered consciousness of their very being, there having been the melding of consciousness into a, what has been called, “knot of fear” following the destruction of their planetary sphere, these entities then found the need to take up residence upon your third-density planet in forms which were not normally used or available to third-density intelligence.  
> Throughout succeeding eons of your time and planetary experience these entities formerly of Maldek have been able to move into your more normal third-density physical vehicle in order to continue their third-density experience and to more specifically achieve a balancing action within their own consciousness that they have found necessary as a result of their actions upon their home planet which resulted in its destruction. [1986-0810](https://llresearch.org/channeling/1986/0810)

Given the cycle of incarnation, I believe that it includes all third-density beings, whether they were incarnated at the time of planetary destruction or between incarnations.

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**Author:** ![Owana](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/owana/32/2844_2.png) [@Owana](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Owana)\
**Post date:** [February 15, 2024, 9:26am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830/3 "2024-02-15T09:26:08Z")

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Thank you Stephen for your gift. I will enjoy more learning/teaching.

Love and Light

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**Author:** ![soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@soup](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/soup)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2024, 3:34am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830/4 "2024-05-07T03:34:40Z")

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After reading Doreal’s Emerald Tablet Dweller of Unal, I’m thinking that Maldek had a geo-dynamo core like earth that put out a guarding magnetic field. For some reason, the core stalled and the field collapsed. They bored down in an attempt to kick start it back up, say by dropping bombs down a hole, and it ended up blowing up the planet. There’s a large metallic asteroid Psyche that people conjecture is a remnant of a planetary core, a NASA mission of the same which may investigate it in 2029.  
After the planetary disaster, some of them were  
incarnate transferred to planet Unal, modern day Earth,  
maybe - I say as if this is a super simple rough description.

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**Author:** ![soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@soup](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/soup)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 5:50am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830/5 "2024-05-09T05:50:58Z")

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I ponder that the Dweller of Unal might  
refer to the earth’s core as a sort of

> Blockquote

geomagnetic island. I think these  
spiral vortex sites can boost our heart’s  
toroidal magnetic field and this is as a  
heart flame in the hall, so to speak.  
Other places Doreal mentions earth.  
I thought this was an older transcript  
but apparently it’s from the 1930’s.  
I get a sense Doreal’s Emerald Tablets  
is like a channeling or scribed writing  
inspired by a translation of the tablets  
that strived to make the content some  
higher degree accessible. Channels  
or compatible scribes may not come  
around very often.

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**Author:** ![Owana](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/owana/32/2844_2.png) [@Owana](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Owana)\
**Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 6:08pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830/6 "2024-08-13T18:08:31Z")

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Thank you

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**Author:** ![Elbano](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Elbano](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Elbano)\
**Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 8:20am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830/7 "2024-08-16T08:20:49Z")

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I think it was more than just incarnated souls. The knot probably affected all densities, considering the scale of the event. It makes sense that the impact would ripple through all layers of existence, not just the ones directly involved.

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**Author:** ![Owana](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/owana/32/2844_2.png) [@Owana](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Owana)\
**Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 10:25am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830/8 "2024-08-16T10:25:21Z")

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Oh thank you. I realize I am still thinking like a separated soul. As all is one then yes it must include them all.

Love and Light. 💞

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**Author:** ![soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@soup](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/soup)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 4:09am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830/9 "2024-08-19T04:09:10Z")

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I think the tangled knot persisted despite being  
unhelpable for a long time. Then through some  
grace they were assisted to incarnate onto Earth  
in chance they could finish their beginnings.

I think the recommended development cycle  
involves a harvest cycle which is significantly  
shorter than the tangled knot path chosen.

Hopefully, history does not repeat and we  
avoid another tangled knot situation.

Evil as Live spelled backwards.

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**Author:** ![soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@soup](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/soup)\
**Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 5:42am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830/10 "2024-08-21T05:42:43Z")

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> [@Stephen](#):
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> The name we have for that planet is Maldek. That particular planet chose consciously the evil way. Thus, it destroyed itself.

Today I’m pondering if the asteroid belt between  
Mars and Jupiter is a remanent of Maldek, that  
belt as closer to some goldilocks zone of some  
sort. Then I wondered if this occurance was an  
example of increasing entropy, I.e. a greater  
state of disorder in asteroids than in a planet.

So therein resides the idea that gravity tends  
to decrease entropy, which may tie into the  
notion that ‘love’ might be a creative element  
which counteracts entropy.

Immersion in nature is often found to be  
rejuvenating, nature as full of life might show  
how entropy gets creatively opposed by life.  
One infinite creator of glory in being alive.

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**Author:** ![Patrick](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/patrick/32/5_2.png) [@Patrick](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Patrick)\
**Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 10:45am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830/11 "2024-08-21T10:45:15Z")

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> [@soup](#):
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> Today I’m pondering if the asteroid belt between  
> Mars and Jupiter is a remanent of Maldek…

I don’t know from where I got this certainty, but until you mentioned that you were pondering it, I was taking for granted that the asteroid belt was from Maldek. Now I can’t find actual passages either from Ra nor Q’uo corroborating this. That’s weird. I don’t know where the certainty comes from. 🙂

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**Author:** ![oswg\_jeremy](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/oswg_jeremy/32/4461_2.png) [@oswg\_jeremy](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/oswg_jeremy)\
**Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 11:42am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830/12 "2024-08-21T11:42:10Z")

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I’ve always assumed this too, but there’s a troubling fact I learned recently that casts some doubt: the total mass of the belt is like 3% of our moon. This doesn’t rule it out from being of maldekian origin but it’s not as neat an explanation as I’d like.

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**Author:** ![K.K.33](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/k.k.33/32/1845_2.png) [@K.K.33](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/K.K.33)\
**Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830/13 "2024-08-21T14:38:51Z")

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> [@soup](#):
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> Today I’m pondering if the asteroid belt between  
> Mars and Jupiter is a remanent of Maldek

> [@Patrick](#):
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> I don’t know from where I got this certainty, but until you mentioned that you were pondering it, I was taking for granted that the asteroid belt was from Maldek.

> [@oswg\_jeremy](#):
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> I’ve always assumed this too

There is a mention, and confirmation from Q’uo, in the October 5, 1986 session. And further discussion on the subject:

> #### J
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> The asteroid belt, was that once a planet which was destroyed—which was once destroyed by the use of nuclear weapons.
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> #### Q’uo
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> I am Q’uo, and this is correct, my brother.  
> [October 5, 1986 - Sunday meditation - L/L Research](https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/1986/1005#!24)

> [@oswg\_jeremy](#):
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> but there’s a troubling fact I learned recently that casts some doubt: the total mass of the belt is like 3% of our moon.

The low mass of the belt and fragmentation may be caused by the fact that the Maldek explosion was actually an implosion, not an explosion. Unknown to us, nuclear energy-based technology may have caused the planet to implode.

It should be imagined that the planet did not so much as explode under the influence of an explosion or the explosions on it. And it was somehow induced to implode, which should be imagined as squeezing it inward.

Such a thing sucked it inside, crushed it, and then released all the energy outside. The planet splashed around the solar system, and what was left of it closest to its location was the asteroid belt. Something awful… A terrible implosion.

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**Author:** ![oswg\_jeremy](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/oswg_jeremy/32/4461_2.png) [@oswg\_jeremy](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/oswg_jeremy)\
**Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 3:05pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830/14 "2024-08-21T15:05:01Z")

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Sure I considered that too — just wanted to share. I tend to agree with your supposition.

For what it’s worth, I don’t consider Q’uo the best source for specific information like this. Nevertheless I think the Maldek link to the belt is the best explanation.

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**Author:** ![soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@soup](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/soup)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 7:11am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830/16 "2024-08-22T07:11:15Z")

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Thank you for the interest and replies.  
It seems unlikely that all of Maldek ended  
up in the asteroid belt, as the belt seems  
somewhat distributed in a ring is what’s  
left after many eons of cosmic pinball.

An odd spin-off idea is that the asteroids  
that remain, are used as a means of  
healing decomposition. For example,  
principle component analysis is used to  
describe variation in terms of major  
components. Here asteroids convey  
principle mythology components.

A leap of faith might suggest some social  
memory complex witnessed Maldek as  
not all bad, and remembered influences  
created. The largest asteroids, Ceres,  
Vesta, and Pallas may have mythological  
echos that convey Maldek stories,  
like principle mythological decomposition  
that helps people untangle Maldek energies  
conducive to healing that tangled knot.

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**Author:** ![soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@soup](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/soup)\
**Post date:** [July 16, 2026, 2:23am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/were-all-maldeck-souls-whether-incarnated-or-not-in-the-knot/1830/17 "2026-07-16T02:23:34Z")

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I searched for “entropy” and found this thread, but I may have misunderstood something. I think the idea goes something like this 1d evolves through dispersing energy by way of increasing entropy. As gravity pulls things together, they heat up and radiate in a way that disperses energy, effectively increasing entropy. The paradox seems an energized cloud may appear more disordered than a gravitationally formed planet, but the act of 1d evolving disperses energy.

Imagine things going from high order to low order where energy is dispersed, this seems 1d evolution. Then imagine the opposable thumb creatively organizing 1d things in highly ordered states which can go low order quickly and release a bunch of energy. An attitude favoring bellicosity may spell danger.

Enoch’s third book of parables suggests a giant Leviathan having dominion in the sea, and a giant Behemoth having dominion in the wilderness. I’m thinking Whales and Elephants seem obvious and note that neither have opposable thumbs. It seems like these life forms are remedial measures for things like war loving cultures who misbehaved in some way.

I don’t think there’s 200 races of humans that might correspond to Enoch’s 200 fallen angels. I think some of these confused spirit complexes transplanted into other types of mammals, without opposable thumbs. This might speak to the evolutionary destiny of those harvestable who have a taste for war. The lack of opposable thumbs retards the creative ability to form and utilize highly ordered 1d things for destructive aims.