# The Philosopher's Stone

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**Category:** Spiritual & Metaphysical Matters\
**Created:** [May 13, 2023, 1:07am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/the-philosophers-stone/1170 "2023-05-13T01:07:13Z")\
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**Post date:** [May 29, 2023, 3:54am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/the-philosophers-stone/1170/121 "2023-05-29T03:54:17Z")

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I now boiled down the philosopher’s stone to this:

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The philosopher’s stone is the evolutionary leap from being an individual logos to becoming a planetary logos. In New Age terminology it can be called Gaia consciousness. In Law of One terminology service-to-others fourth density social memory complex.

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**Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 12:45pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/the-philosophers-stone/1170/122 "2023-10-16T12:45:16Z")

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This remindse of Alchemy, based upon the  
idea that with the Elixir of Life and The  
Philosopher’s Stone, an Alchemist can  
turn lead into gold.

There’s a book called The Alchemist which  
is a story about a Sheperd courageously  
leaving his flock of sheep to pursue some  
recurring dream which spurs him onto a  
journey to the pyramids to discover his  
god given treasures.

In this story, he encounters an Alchemist  
who actually explains that at one time,  
gold was considered an ultimate symbol  
of the highest evolutionary state attainable,  
and that mistakenly, humanity has mixed  
up the pursuit of evolution, with the pursuit  
of gold.

In many cases, such new age concepts  
might be metaphysical allegory to aid  
modern reality dilemmas we confront.

An example might be a YouTube video  
by The Alchemist who explains that the  
number 144,000 represents a high  
vibrational state. This may be considered  
metaphysical allegory to an evolved  
state. (Wiki also has a page on this.)

I’ll offer another attempt to explain this  
number, it is two sets of numbers that  
are joined or separated by a comma.

One set representing 144 might be  
interpreted by an eneagram as one  
reformer, one originator, and another  
originator. These might represent an  
upward pointing triangle like an  
auspicious cycle of freedom, love,  
and wisdom.

Another set representing 000 might  
be represented as one person who  
is inflamed with rage in a fight mode,  
one person who is terrified running  
a flight mode, and one person who  
is in a numb paralysis stupor. These  
are eneagram non-personalities and  
together you have a downward  
pointing triangle like a viscious cycle  
of fear, anger, and tension.

Combining the two triangles,  
you have a Star of David shape.

This shape appears on the flag of  
Israel. Numerologically, these six  
add 1+4+4+0+0+0 = 9, which is  
known as the eneagram Peace  
maker. Peace be with Israel.

Today I see the War in Israel as a  
Big Stick Ideology growing effect.  
This is a Teddy Roosevelt approach,  
conflict is resolved by dominance.

For example, they drop 6,000 bombd  
on a small area that houses 2.1  
million people, but only report tge  
losses as a few thousand. Big stick,  
spoken softly.

If you look for it, as in how the minister  
of defense describes the Hamas, there’s  
a Jane Goodall principle at play called  
pseudo-speciation. That is, the Hamas  
behave as non- human beasts worthy  
of being slaughtered.

This complements  
the 000 downward triangle set - people  
behaving as non-human personalities.  
These are people who disregard the  
evolutionary potential of incarnation by  
killing innocent children - an act that  
provokes, a big stick hammer blow by  
a social complex hyper conditioned to  
defend themselves.

Maybe the 4’s in  
the 144 upward triangle, correspond to  
4th density positive - who see the  
necessity of war without alternative.

(I think a pentacle having resonance  
of 5, might see alternatives to war;  
more of a 5th density wisdom tactic.)

But generally, is there any utility to  
taking an Alchemical approach as  
some remedial measure?

The Jewish culture recognizes a  
critical mass of nine for prayer, at  
least one representative from nine  
different tribes to affect progress  
via prayer. It’s like a Maharishi  
effect. This might be another  
meaning to the number 144,000;  
nine as a low minimum but more  
as better. Please pray for peace.

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**Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 3:12am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/the-philosophers-stone/1170/123 "2023-11-06T03:12:49Z")

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> …while the raven symbolized nigredo.

I searched for Raven and found this thread.  
I was searching for Raven inspired by the  
poem The Raven, by Edgar Alan Poe.

Apparently he uses symbolism there to  
suggest a dominance of irrationality - the  
raven speaking nevermore, over reason -  
the statue of Pallas it is perched upon.

He only lived forty years, but I suggest  
there’s something in his death that seems  
curious; because he specialized in writing  
Gothic horror stories, and is attributed to  
inventing detective stories, maybe even  
science fiction. Some say he was a time  
traveler.

In the weeks before he died, there’s some  
suggestion he was recovering from cholera.  
Back then, one of the medicines for that  
was Laudanum, an opium infused liquor.  
Back then also there was a Blue Mass pill  
which contained the ingredient mercury.  
It may be that these medicines played some  
factor in his death.

Astrologically, he was interesting because  
the zodiac energies seem to have enhaced  
him in ways complementary.

For example, when he was born he had  
Pluto conjunct Arawn(15810). When he  
died, Arawn was at his descendant.  
Arawn has been associated with the idea  
of exalted death. The descendant likewise  
comes up in such matters. Oh and the  
asteroid Pandora (55) was also there.  
Asteroid study seems a Pandora’s box.

The night before he died, apparently he  
ranted the name “Reynolds”. On the next day he  
died, asteroid Reynolds(12776) was on the M.C.,  
the highest point in the sky. Not only that,  
the skull looking asteroid Halloween (35395),  
was there, and Lilith too.

He was born with Ixion(28578), Ceto(65489),  
and Eros on his Moon in Pisces. Ixion seems  
a lawless rebel. He was a rebel writer.  
He died with Ceto on his Venus/Moon in Pisces.  
Ceto is a sea monster, and Pisces ruled by  
Neptune seems infamously drug induced.  
In the day he died, Orcus (90482) was on  
his Neptune. This may complement a drug  
induced death.

Asteroid Pallas(2) was on the galactic center  
on the day he died. Maybe the galactic center  
is like an irrational Raven speaking nevermore.  
Black holes at the galactic center may be  
a means of forming alchemical negrido.

His natal Lucifer(1930) opposed his Moon/Venus.  
Lucifer seems a symbol of imbalanced light.  
On the day he died, Jupiter was close to his  
Lucifer, creating an enormity of cosmic tension.  
Jupiter expands. Too much imbalanced light  
might cause a fall.

A mystic rectangle pattern jumps out of his  
death chart which may convey something  
almost supernatural at play. Did I mention  
asteroid Poe(17427) was near his natal  
ascendant when he died?

Many of these asteroids and  
the ephemeris to find them has only recently  
been available. During his life, astrology  
was likely one of those allegorical constructs  
he despised. It seems to support an idea of  
time traveling.

 ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/5/5ef1367aa5b7ae6dcdfc5553c261056b3a02f12c.jpeg)

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When asking Chat GPT about Ra Material concepts, I do recommend disabling context awareness and ending the question with “according to the Ra Material” for a more accurate response.

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**Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 8:12am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/the-philosophers-stone/1170/125 "2023-11-14T08:12:09Z")

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There’s an asteroid named Ra-Shalom (2100).  
It is named after Sun God Ra and the  
Hebrew word Shalom meaning peace.

I think Ra materials discourages astrology.  
I think one reason for this year is there’s very  
few who can do it in ways helpful. I think  
another is a reverence to alignment -  
something also that very few people have.

In studying Edgar Alan Poe, I had many  
encounters with black crows, strange  
synchronicities, etc. The dream symbol  
book suggests a crow represents clear  
messages, straight talk. Maybe waking  
encounters are like bad dreams.

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They discourage the use of astrology as a means of divination. This is because the astrological bodies, aside from the sun, do not exert an archetypal influence on us. But Ra is fine if astrology is used for introspection, and to work with astrological influences like biorhythms and such. They also mention that astrology or the major arcana is fine so long as the practitioner understands and can distinguish between the two influences. In one transcript Ra implies that astrology and the major arcana is a valid form of divination, which is slightly contradictory, but in the same transcript they say that the practitioner should eventually transcend the written form.

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**Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 10:17pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/the-philosophers-stone/1170/127 "2023-11-23T22:17:47Z")

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Thanks for tolerance of so much clumsy seeking.  
A nonlinear experience of time seems like one  
of those factors in evolution which seems highly  
individual.

I’m considering that there’s physical differences  
in physiological brain constructs which might  
likely explain evolutionary speed. For example,  
variation in the Amygdala may lend spiritual  
advantage to women over men or else some  
dominance of the bilateral prefrontal cortex  
may help overide the brakes of the Amygdala  
and enable men to do things women don’t do.  
And then there’s the idea that Dopamine has  
some neurotransmitting role in reward  
programming which, all things considered;  
influence evolutionary speed or in other words,  
a nonlinear experience of time.

But if a human is simply a cell in a larger  
organism called humanity - what is the  
experience of humanity time, is it on the  
scale of eons?

So maybe the period of Neptune as roughly  
165 years seems short. Pluto has a period  
of 248 years. This may be the idea of Pluto  
entering Aquarius. The last time this occured  
was around 1776, the American Revolutionary  
War, which seems curious. In some ways  
I ponder Gaia as a sorting hat dividing 4d  
STS and 4d STO, and we may be on the  
brink of such a sort, if it turns out that things  
like the geometry of planetary cycles lends  
significant influence on human evolution  
as a whole.

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**Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 5:13am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/the-philosophers-stone/1170/128 "2024-03-21T05:13:07Z")

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I searched for The Rose and found this thread.  
I love this thread, one of the best and  
if only I didn’t tarnish it by my clumsiness,  
please pardon me.

In pondering association to the heart, there’s  
that stone rose quartz that comes to mind,  
which can have a comforting high vibration.  
Ra guides to the idea of Ruby which seems  
more rare and harder to come by - Melody’s  
book Love Is In The Earth talks supportively  
about these stones and so many more.

And somehow, I feel as if as people evolve  
spiritually they may grow lesser degrees  
narcissistic and greater degrees empathetic  
to extents the vibrations of various crystal  
types can be discerned and utilized for  
various useful ways - maybe adepts who  
understand rocks become crystal healers,  
not by the rocks they accompany as much  
as a mastery of subtle vibrations.

And by contrast possibly a more narcissistic  
side of humanity that finds this notion  
inaccessible, dismisses the possibility of  
subtle vibrations as potentially helpful,  
which can cause a sort of rift to the planet.  
As we dissolve a sense of separation with  
the planet, our pain seems shared.

So as intuitively led to this thread by  
The Rose, here’s a lyric improv for session  
60 that some may be contemplating this  
week.

OUR GAIA’S PAIN  
(Song beat similar to  
Bette Midler, The Rose)

Without sight, there can be vision  
To accept, our limits blind  
Without might, there can be tuning  
To accept, gifts given kind  
Before life, were made decisions  
To serve, and enlighten minds  
In that light, can be compassion  
So others, may also shine

Using shapes, across the distance  
Love and light, spin into dance  
Some may grow, and then awaken  
To travel, in spiral’s chance  
But our lives, grow complicated  
Not simple, as days of past  
So the shapes, no longer needed  
We’re already, living fast

When we feel, heat grow inside us  
It may show, we’ve lost our way  
And Gaia, she feels our friction  
So she warms, with us today  
As we weary, of repetition  
Our lessons, may seem to wane  
We may see, yet have no vision  
Till we accept, our Gaia’s pain

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I searched for “Ptah” and found this thread. In some representations, Ptah is depicted as a green man.  
This was one impression I got from Doreal’s Emerald  
Tablet, the Dweller of Unal. This chapter seems somewhat mysterious, as suggesting dreamwork might be used to draw insights, so I took a nap. Ptah seems reference to Emerald HE, although that HE may be less about a masculine reference of him and more about a phonetic sound associated to Ptah. Another strong impression seems the Dweller in some context refers to planetary geomagnetic dynamo effect which supports a spaceship sort of environment as the earth travels through space. That is, the magnetosphere prevents the atmosphere from being stripped off by the solar wind. As the magnetic field of Mars diffused, its atmosphere was stripped. So the reference to islands may actually be a suggestion of planets supporting life. For example, a possibility that at one time Venus, Mars, Maldek also had magnetic fields supporting life but only one planet or island, Unal / Earth was left. So some migration or exodus occurred.  
The Key of Seven may tie into the Tarot, i.e. 7x3(mind,body,spirit)+1(choice) as twenty two archetypes.

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I searched for “Osiris” and found this thread.  
Reading Anders seems like a Masters degree  
Cram course in Alchemy. Thank you.

It was asteroid Artemis found on my descendent  
opposite Apollo on my ascendant, two siblings  
that interface the world differently - which then  
randomly revealed asteroid Osiris on my moon.  
Osiris can be thought of as some sort of agent  
of mischief.

I may have mentioned I consider the Philosopher’s  
stone as pineal brain sand which likely plays  
counterpart to indigo shuttling out to intelligent  
infinity. This sand forms through energetic  
meditation work, and might be experienced as  
popping sensations within the skull near the  
top the spine.

When I was young, I found this  
curious and discovered Wiccan insight that  
this offers some magical edge, so I let it be.  
This stone can cock a head left or right if the  
meditation isn’t balanced in love/wisdom.  
Sharing the dark seems a path to light.

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**Post date:** [March 4, 2025, 3:20am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/the-philosophers-stone/1170/131 "2025-03-04T03:20:04Z")

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> [@soup](#):
>
> In pondering association to the heart, there’s  
> that stone rose quartz that comes to mind,  
> which can have a comforting high vibration.  
> Ra guides to the idea of Ruby which seems  
> more rare and harder to come by - Melody’s  
> book Love Is In The Earth talks supportively  
> about these stones and so many more.

The Alchemist shared some Tibetan Book of  
The Dead video where the idea of “pink”  
came up as a higher dimensional asset.  
Rose Quartz seems a pink stone that can  
bring a calming clarity to various situations,  
restoring the mind to clarity amidst chaos;  
healing emotional wounds and instilling  
a wonderful powerful loving energy, I say  
as paraphrasing Melody’s book,  
LOVE IS IN THE EARTH, 1995 Earth-Love  
Publishing.

Apparently the Indigo Ray Body, or Etheric  
body can adapt to infinite possibilities and  
as a gateway form maker function is likely  
a means by which pink things like rose  
quartz with all its wonder can be accessed,  
including higher dimensional ontological  
qualities.

Somewhere in the Ra materials there’s  
mention of a stack-up of balanced ray  
bodies that form white. That may be a  
common potential we all share - some  
elusive white, ray body stack.

[![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/c/cb4f584d118f3825eefc5c7f7a0c3a7159aa15b4.jpeg "The Journey of the Soul after Death - Tibetan Book of the Dead") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8jv5pdYd2Q)

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**Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 1:43am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/the-philosophers-stone/1170/132 "2026-09-08T01:43:38Z")

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I have a strange bucket list item, spend time with a ruby. So I searched eBay and found some \<$100 that were tariff free because \<$100 is a gift that goes through the mail okay. Yes, it came in the mail two weeks later and was what I expected. The little half inch stone is easy to lose, so I 3d-printed a ring mount that I pressed the stone in tight, such prints cost pennies, it is a humble ring, kinda.

Apparently these gem quality rubies are associated to access to spiritual realms, ancient teachings and aiding in a wide variety of spiritual aims. Some suggest association to the Sun in a spiritual sense.

So I’m not sure where this Ruby came from and understand it is not self clearing. So I put it in the rock salt bed of my crystal garden to clear it and introduce it to my benign environment.

Before heading to bed, I put this ring on with the Ruby palm side in, holding it through a sort of pre-sleep meditation. Over some time, my palm grows Reiki Hot, so to speak, and both hands behaved that way. I did an unusual amount of Reiki self healing positions to dissipate the current and yes, I felt wonderful after this. However, the frequency is high and some degree of crystal caffeine comes in time spent holding it.

Apparently real Ruby glows under UV light. So I tried this to confirm it was a real Ruby, here’s a picture.

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