# Some clear words **URL:** \ **Category:** Spiritual & Metaphysical Matters\ **Created:** [September 5, 2023, 10:15am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439 "2023-09-05T10:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5

**Author:** ![tadeus](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/tadeus/32/128_2.png) [@tadeus](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/tadeus)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 10:21am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/81 "2023-10-07T10:21:47Z")

This is all true - but does not address the theme of this thread or solve the problem of the extreme Asura activity at this time. One of the main points is that the negative forces / Asuras are active by their own, but the positive forces / Devas / Suras must be asked to help from us and get active. > “Suras and asuras have quite a number of parallels, but in the end the suras always retain the upper hand, for they assure themselves of Visnu’s help. As it is said in the Bhagavad-Gita (18.78): “Wherever Krsna is present, there certainly are wealth, victory, power and morality.”” > > ““Asuras seek refuge in insatiable lust, pride and false prestige, and are therefore in illusion. They are conspiring to unclean work and are attracted to the impermanent. They believe that satisfying the senses until the end of life is the greatest necessity of human civilization. Therefore, their worries have no end. Bound by hundreds of thousands of desires and by lust and anger, they secure money for sense gratification by illegal means.” (Bg 16.10-12)” > > Vālmīki - Rāmāyaṇa, Vol. 4: Kiṣkindhā-kāṇḍa, Appendix 1. ---

**Author:** ![Patrick](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/patrick/32/5_2.png) [@Patrick](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Patrick)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 2:14pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/82 "2023-10-07T14:14:06Z")

> [@](#): > > [Q’uo](https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/1989/0813) > > Just simply continue persistently and faithfully, although every instinct tells you that you are making no progress. Those instincts are incorrect, because each honestly made attempt to be of service lightens the planetary consciousness and polarizes you more and more. Service takes many form. Walking in a forest and finding it beautiful is a service to the planet, the Creation and the Creator. ---

**Author:** ![Quid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/quid/32/109_2.png) [@Quid](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Quid)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 2:27pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/83 "2023-10-07T14:27:41Z")

> [@tadeus](#): > > This is all true - but does not address the theme of this thread or solve the problem of the extreme Asura activity at this time. You do what you need to do, I do what I need to do, Arjun do what he need to do, Krishna do what he need to do, Asura do what they need to do, X (whomever X is) do what they need to do. Every entity have their own unique role and path in the game. And it’s guaranteed as the game was designed as such. As previously mentioned everything will always be balanced and also was, is always balanced. ---

**Author:** ![tadeus](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/tadeus/32/128_2.png) [@tadeus](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/tadeus)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 12:13pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/84 "2023-10-09T12:13:31Z")

> "In the monistic world views, “God as You” is called an illusion, because “everything is one”. God is therefore not a factor in practical life, even if one speaks of God for the sake of form. > > The all-is-one philosophies underestimate God and thus also the human beings as counterpart and ultimately do not see them as “You”. > > Without the perception of the You, real love and real compassion are not possible, because if one thinks everything is good the way it is, one cannot respond with real compassion in the face of the suffering and injustice of the world." Source: Einheit im Licht der Ganzheit - Armin Risi ---

**Author:** ![Quid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/quid/32/109_2.png) [@Quid](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Quid)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 3:48pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/85 "2023-10-09T15:48:39Z")

> [@tadeus](#): > > The all-is-one philosophies misjudge God The all-is-one state do not judge. Thus mis-judging and also it’s opposite; correct judging will not exist. Thus a ‘distortion’ (using Ra’s lingo) or ‘sense of separation’ (you,me,them) is required in order for mis and correct judging to exist. Thus; the mis and correct judging will always be subjective, depending on each separated point of view, caused by distortion / separation. > [@tadeus](#): > > Without the perception of the You, real love and real compassion are not possible, because if one thinks everything is good the way it is, Without the distortion, good and it’s opposite bad will not exist either. Thus within ‘unity’ state or ‘unity’ point of view everything just IS. That’s the reason why everything will always have it’s opposite pair. good/bad, STO/STS, light/dark, positive/negative, deva/asura, angel/demon, protagonist/antagonist, pandavas/kauravas etc… Each of those pair are basically two side of the same coin. When one side is missing the other side will not exist either. ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/8/841d14812af10fe45f0ef689ef6fea3612880879.png) Thanks to “black”, “white” is now exist / recognizable. Without “black” it will be like this: ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/c/cd67712580be2d8a449709dda50d3707b5aa85cd.png) ---

**Author:** ![tadeus](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/tadeus/32/128_2.png) [@tadeus](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/tadeus)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 6:05pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/86 "2023-10-09T18:05:16Z")

> [@Quid](#): > > The all-is-one state do not judge. The original word that has been used is “verkennen”. (Just used an translator engine.) This should be better translated with **underestimate** or **misunderstand** or maybe **misjudge** and not with **judge** , so I corrected this. But the core of his assessment is good, because this “All is one” can be an fallacy, specially used in New cAge. ---

**Author:** ![Patrick](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/patrick/32/5_2.png) [@Patrick](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Patrick)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 6:12pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/87 "2023-10-09T18:12:20Z")

> [@tadeus](#): > > …this “All is one” can be an fallacy… From our forum principles. > [@Law of One Forum Principles](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/law-of-one-forum-principles/26/1): > > …We are not here to get beyond polarity, or to transcend polarity. We are here to polarize. To know our polarity. To understand our polarity. To become even stronger upon the positive path. Indeed, the more we polarize, the greater our capacity to do work in consciousness… This seems to be along the lines of what you are trying to say. 🙂 ---

**Author:** ![K.K.33](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/k.k.33/32/1845_2.png) [@K.K.33](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/K.K.33)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 7:35pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/88 "2023-10-09T19:35:45Z")

It appears that the concept of “All is one” is sensible if we understand that Oneness originally dispersed. Just like potential hidden in a single point dispersing to form a sphere around it. When observing any other point outside the One, it would be distinct and different both from the One and from other points scattered within the sphere’s space. Thus, we encounter a paradox, where everything we distinguish is simultaneously one and the same, yet entirely different. In my view, it is erroneous to believe that any arbitrary point can substitute for the Oneness. The religious commandment “Thou shalt have no other gods before me” springs to mind. Hence, it is accurate to believe that all these points, including us as individual consciousnesses, which could be mirrored as these points on the sphere, should aim to reconnect with the Oneness. “All is one” will bear fruit if one perceives it somewhat like this: “All originate from the same source and are equally valuable to the Creator. However, for Him to be able to develop Himself, there must be a collective movement towards the source of what Oneness represents.” Thus, contemplating the idea that we are all one will yield results when there is a will and awareness of development towards Oneness, enabling a reconnection with the One Creator. A literal understanding that ‘All is One’ can disrupt the process, because such literal thinking might logically conclude that self-serving (STS) is equivalent to serving others (STO). A more accurate perspective is that the essence of all beings as One involves working towards merging everything into One. In this context, serving others (STO) directly expresses this aspiration, while serving oneself (STS) opposes it, presenting a challenge to those who aim to serve others (STO) and unite into One, within the One Creator. ---

**Author:** ![tadeus](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/tadeus/32/128_2.png) [@tadeus](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/tadeus)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 9:59am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/89 "2023-10-10T09:59:25Z")

> [@K.K.33](#): > > Thus, we encounter a paradox, where everything we distinguish is simultaneously one and the same, yet entirely different. Yes - it seems to be a paradox, but only when we try to see the oneness under the veil in the third density. We can find here the oneness only within us. In this awareness we can try to act in STO, but during this incarnation we will always be separated. It seems to be (only) oneness within the heart. But what we are discussing here is that we can never practice oneness with the negative entities / Asuras, because they are not able to be aware any oneness with the creator or other beings. They recognize only agreement to their chain of commands / force or not. Those who will not accept / obey have to be destroyed, because this is needed to fulfill their plans for the human race in their eyes. Everything that is needed is justified and not bad. ---

**Author:** ![K.K.33](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/k.k.33/32/1845_2.png) [@K.K.33](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/K.K.33)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 11:00am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/90 "2023-10-10T11:00:10Z")

> [@tadeus](#): > > But what we are discussing here is that we can never practice oneness with the negative entities / Asuras, because they are not able to be aware any oneness with the creator or other beings. > They recognize only agreement to their chain of commands / force or not. > Those who will not accept / obey have to be destroyed, because this is needed to fulfill their plans for the human race in their eyes. Everything that is needed is justified and not bad. I perceive it slightly differently, a perspective I’ve hinted at in a previous post. For anyone cognizant of the Law of One, the objective should be to reintegrate oneself and all other dispersed parts back to the source of Oneness. This can be achieved by uniting and progressing towards that Oneness. One might symbolically envision the One as a luminous sphere of light above oneself, residing in the metaphysical world, and ask: ‘What subsequent step can I take to draw nearer to this metaphysical Light/One?’ Surrounding us are individuals who tend to evolve towards either Service to Others (STO) or Service to Self (STS). With those aligned with STO, we can collaborate on a shared journey towards One, mutually supportive. Concerning those on the STS path, as STO we can evolve by bolstering ourselves on the chosen (STO) path, defending ourselves from their (STS) influences that might divert us from this path to the One, training our spiritual muscles. STS provides a catalyst for STO progression. Another approach is, while preserving free will of others, to invite those of STS to join us on the journey towards the One, for ultimately, this is the terminal point even for those presently on the STS path. ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 4:03pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/91 "2023-10-10T16:03:25Z")

> [@tadeus](#): > > “All is one” can be an fallacy, specially used in New Age. This is not a new concept in the so-called “New Age” Tadeus, it’s been around since recorded history. The Upanishads and Advaita Vedanta dating back to 800 BC states the same. Daoism dating back to 600 BC states the same. Every mystic who has reached enlightenment has stated the same…hundreds of them by now (of all mystical traditions). The One Creator is in all…is all; every sentient being, every mineral, every element, every atom. The most negatively polarised entity has the One Creator within, just like every positively polarised entity, and all shades inbetween. > [@Ra](#): > > The distortion lies in the fact that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve other is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One. > [@Ra](#): > > The intelligent infinity discerned a concept. This concept was discerned due to freedom of will of awareness. This concept was finity. This was the first and primal paradox or distortion of the Law of One. Thus the one intelligent infinity invested itself in an exploration of many-ness. > > Due to the infinite possibilities of intelligent infinity, there is no ending to many-ness. The exploration, thus, is free to continue infinitely in an eternal present. > [@Ra](#): > > The Law of One blinks neither at the light or the darkness but is available for service to others and service to self. However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines. ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 4:24pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/92 "2023-10-10T16:24:09Z")

![quote-anxiety-is-the-fear-that-one-of-a-pair-of-opposites-might-cancel-the-other-forever-alan-watts-117-27-08 (1)](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/c/cf001b5492ab0248847ee3dac0fad7a42590ac2c.jpeg) ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 5:42pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/93 "2023-10-10T17:42:41Z")

The “saga of polarity” isn’t easy for anyone, no-one can witness the immense suffering of others and be untouched. > [@Ra](#): > > The, shall we say, saga of polarity, its consequences and limits, were unimagined until experienced. It’s the One getting to know the One… and by all appearances it looks like insanity… at least on this sphere… > [@Ra](#): > > There is a larger percentile group of those who have a fairly well defined, shall we say, symptomology indicating to them that they are not of this, shall we say, insanity. ---

**Author:** ![Quid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/quid/32/109_2.png) [@Quid](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Quid)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 6:42pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/94 "2023-10-10T18:42:54Z")

> [@Passer-by](#): > > This is not a new concept in the so-called “New Age” Tadeus, it’s been around since recorded history. Tend to agree on this, actually it’s been around since before recorded history. > [@Law of One Forum Principles](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/law-of-one-forum-principles/26/1): > > We are not here to get beyond polarity, or to transcend polarity. We are here to polarize. To know our polarity. To understand our polarity. To become even stronger upon the positive path. Indeed, the more we polarize, the greater our capacity to do work in consciousness… I tend not to agree on this principle, it’s left to the free will of each entity whether they want to ‘polarize’ (towards STO or STS) or to go beyond the polarization between STO or STS. Using the same image as illustration. ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/5/5cc1c190b08c7ef2e97b7736dd2cbfeb76d2c861.png) It’s left to each entity’s free will whether they want to identify as: “I am white” (and thus not black) or “I am black” (and thus not white) or “I am both white and black”. As eliminating black it will become: ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/9/9316c6b29b27590f4a1c9f6f64b0435bf9dccee5.png) And eliminating white it will become: ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/c/cd0ec7d377274f56b0ee952468936d184d883c27.png) ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 7:22pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/95 "2023-10-10T19:22:08Z")

Transcending duality…well we’re talking adepthood. Joel Goldsmith describes it in his book The Thunder of Silence. Lao Tzu obviously achieved it. Non-duality (or non-dual) is the end of the path of the adept in 3rd density. We need to make a distinction between choosing your path, and “mastering” the path. For the vast majority a “conscious” choice is the reality, and from thereon refining of the choice is the road ahead. It’s of equal difficulty for both polarities. ---

**Author:** ![Patrick](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/patrick/32/5_2.png) [@Patrick](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Patrick)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 7:22pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/96 "2023-10-10T19:22:56Z")

> [@Quid](#): > > I tend not to agree on this principle, it’s left to the free will of each entity whether they want to ‘polarize’… That’s why this is not in the forum _guidelines_ per se and only in the forum _principles_. 😉 It was written at a time when members were using Oneness as an excuse to use this forum to teach negativity or do whatever they wanted to other members. So our principles are what our guidelines are based on, but it is certainly not expected that members will believe or accept the same principles for themselves. We only ask that the guidelines per se be accepted. Here is another excerpt of the principles. > [@Law of One Forum Principles](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/law-of-one-forum-principles/26/1): > > … > > To zoom out for a moment: Everyone is the Creator. Yes? Everyone is the self. The Law of One Forum seeks the consciousness where this is obvious. But we keep in mind that, while fundamentally we are one with all beings, there are infinite expressions of that one in infinitely various relationship to one another: > > > [@](#): > > > > [67](http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=67).[11](http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=67#11) Ra: You do not have merely two opposite requests for service. You will find an infinite array of contradictory requests for information or lack of information from this source if you listen carefully to those whose voices you may hear. This is all one voice to which you resonate upon a certain frequency. This frequency determines your choice of service to the One Creator. As it happens this group’s vibratory patterns and those of Ra are compatible and enable us to speak through this instrument with your support. This is a function of free will. > > > > A portion, seemingly, of the Creator rejoices at your choice to question us regarding the evolution of spirit. A seemingly separate portion would wish for multitudinous answers to a great range of queries of a specific nature. Another seemingly separate group of your peoples would wish this correspondence through this instrument to cease, feeling it to be of a negative nature. Upon the many other planes of existence there are those whose every fiber rejoices at your service and those such as the entity of whom you have been speaking which wish only to terminate the life upon the third-density plane of this instrument. > > > > All are the Creator. There is one vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues, in an unending pattern. In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well. No more than this can you do for your portion of the Creator is as it is and your experience and offering of experience, to be valuable, needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are. > > We recognize the “vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues,” appreciate it, and love it. We try to open our own frequencies to accommodate as wide a range of biases and distortions, colors and hues as possible, but at the end of the day, we are not completely egalitarian—we are not a community that feels every viewpoint has an equal place here. > > Each viewpoint is “equal” in terms of it being right for he or she who generated the viewpoint—as no entity is more Creator than another—but each viewpoint is not “equal” in terms of, say, a harvestable degree of service-to-self perspective being equal on the Law of One Forum with an opened green-ray perspective. One of the two is outside of, and dissonant with, our frequency. > > As expressed above, we have a bias, and seek to pursue and enhance that bias. Not just for service to others, but for harmony, for growth, and for focus. > > … ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 7:35pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/97 "2023-10-10T19:35:59Z")

I think what I’m trying to get at is that “intellectual knowledge” of this being so and “experiential knowledge” of this being so is the difference. The mystics who have awakened speak from “experiential knowledge”. ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 5:39am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/98 "2023-10-11T05:39:42Z")

> [@Quid](#): > > Tend to agree on this, actually it’s been around since before recorded history. I was specifically referring to the knowledge being known to humans of which we have evidence today - Upanishads, Vedas, Zhuangzi, Liezi, etc. Naturally it was so from the “beginning” of “time” and will be so for all eternity. Most likely if we could have had access to Atlantean writings, we would have found the knowledge being known to them as well. ---

**Author:** ![Quid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/quid/32/109_2.png) [@Quid](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Quid)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 6:11pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/99 "2023-10-11T18:11:34Z")

> [@Patrick](#): > > It was written at a time when members were using Oneness as an excuse to use this forum to teach negativity or do whatever they wanted to other members. And those who does need to be ‘contained’ and ‘controlled’. Bingo, the wisdom of STS catalyst, the ‘necessity’ to rule over others. The ‘art’ is how to find the proper ‘balance’ between the white and the black. ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/8/89872cc38ed6829b433a3631019656d2cf21f7ea.png) Rather than seeing ‘at’ the white or the black, I prefer to see ‘through’ the white and the black. ---

**Author:** ![Patrick](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/patrick/32/5_2.png) [@Patrick](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Patrick)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 6:56pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439/100 "2023-10-11T18:56:18Z")

It is a bit like providing a quiet study area where people are asked to go outside to yell at each others. The behaviour is not in question, all can do as they please. But the quiet study area cannot serve its purpose without any boundaries. Those boundaries can certainly be seen as measures of control which participants freely accepts before participating. It is similar to incarnating on this veiled Earth. We agree to be put under certain limitations, mainly the veil of forgetting, before coming to play this game. This thread was basically started with a statement from Anna who is revolting against those limitations which we all agreed upon before being born. We simply do not remember. > [@](#): > > [Q’uo](https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2007/0731) > > …is that the wanderer will not wake up, or, if it is partially awake, that it will awaken only to complain that it is not comfortable, that it wants to go home… The subject of control and acceptance within online communities has been a very fertile one for a good while now. I’m not sure we could resolve it to everyone’s satisfaction. 🙂 [Previous page](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439.md?page=4) [Next page](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/some-clear-words/1439.md?page=6)