# Questions for the confederation from forum members **URL:** \ **Category:** Confederation Philosophy\ **Created:** [May 12, 2023, 5:50am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164 "2023-05-12T05:50:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1

**Author:** ![anon93239903](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@anon93239903](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/anon93239903)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 5:50am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/1 "2023-05-12T05:50:22Z")

Hello seekers, wanderers, and all. The purpose of this thread is to help us collectively pitch in our own questions for the channeling circle. (This is non-affiliated, and did not come from l/l research. I felt that we all should be able to ask questions and seek for guidance. I feel it is unfair to not have a space to allow readers/seekers like ourselves to also further our understanding of the Law of One.) - Please formulate your own questions that are in relation to the Loo, whether they are from the Ra materials, or from the present channeling sessions, or anything that comes to mind! it doesn’t have to be restrictive to only the materials. Examples: 1. **The book of Mormon, it was mentioned that E.T. contacted Joseph Smith, who are these E.T.?** 2. **Who was Carl Jung, and who were the entities in his red book?** 3. **The James Webb telescope detected galaxies that are beyond 300 million years old, which predate the big bang. What is the big bang anyways? was that the ‘original thought?’ or the previous octave?** Please share your questions and also answers. (If the answers already existed in the archive/search, but was asked in a different way.) I am hoping that if we collect enough questions, the channeling circle can integrate some of these questions into their sessions in the future. Collectively, I believe we can move the boulder together… update: Please bold and indent your questions in your comment so others can quickly see your queries when reading through the thread. Like this above! Also, please feel free to “like/heart” questions from others that you feel you would also like to understand/know. Much light y’all ---

**Author:** ![Patrick](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/patrick/32/5_2.png) [@Patrick](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Patrick)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 11:12am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/2 "2023-05-12T11:12:42Z")

By the way, L/L Research shared suggestions for how to formulate questions. > **[Guidelines for Formulating a Question](https://www.llresearch.org/articles/question-guidelines)** > > Guidelines for asking suitable questions for a channeling session. They accept questions sent to their contact email address… with the caveat that they already have a mountain of questions. 😉 ---

**Author:** ![LSDMTNT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3be4f8/32.png) [@LSDMTNT](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/LSDMTNT)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 11:31am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/3 "2023-05-12T11:31:09Z")

Can’t say I’ve read all of the conscious channeling stuff post-Don. However, my research into NDEs, personal spiritual experiences with UFOs and psychic contact via various methods with entities positive and negative (mostly positive) lead me to believe that the general ethical and the basic outline of the cosmology from Ra matches closest to what’s going on. Obviously I don’t know anything for sure and despite some very intense personal experiences, I’ll believe in the underground Yetis when I follow one into its cave. But I have to say, I really enjoyed the “I know this is unimportant information…” but we want people to be interested in reading the books type questions. I think Ra says it had an elongated, slightly delicate body with a “golden integument” (gotta love those Ra-isms, like ‘chirurgeon’-wonder if that’s a symptom of its trouble with time as we experience it- can’t just say skin, though I suppose integument is more general and could refer to anything from carapace to clothing to jellyfish… gel) in some higher density. But I think at the level it was mentioning, one is supposed to be able to look like whatever one wants, correct me if I’m wrong. **1. I’d like to know what Ra looked like, the species’ physical form, in third and fourth density, particularly third.** Questioning the cosmos myself, I’m not to the level of conversational channeling- yes and no questions and in “shamanic” states the information I get from random entities seems to focus on personal development and I cannot be sure what species or social memory complexes relate to which visions. Or if they’re “alive” or in spirit, honestly. If Ra developed so peacefully, I wonder if it evolved from some sort of herbivore. If it happened to look like a sort of deer-like creature with backwards knees and bird-like feet, horns used socially rather than for fighting, and protofeathers (as well as head ornaments that were some sort of technology even though these creatures seemed to choose to live in an idyllic natural way) then my suspicions about a special someone’s past life regression session would win me a bet. Not that I’d love said entity less or more were they a “celebrity” wanderer… The sky was apparently some sort of faded yellow rather than blue. 1. **More generally I’d like to know if second density bodies that evolve (or get “invested” by the Logos or whatever) into third that are predatory in nature are more likely than average to follow “the path that is not” and the opposite for herbivores or photosynthesizers and so on.** Obviously I cannot ask about creatures that have absolutely no Earth comparison and are silicon-based or whatever. 1. **I’d also like to know what higher density beings do for recreation. When they aren’t working on STOing, STSing, or balancing, or messing around with third density planets. I’m sure it’s a broad range of things, but just one example from one species would be interesting.** 2. **Also I do wonder if needed (what most would define as needed) violence is ever free of “karmic entanglement”. Like let’s say an individual is going to do the things serial killers do to you or a loved one or there’s a despot that’s going to enslave your tribe. I know even not accepting Orion enslavement “what they’re offering” is somehow depolarizing in Ra’s opinion since the most loving thing is supposedly to just accept what’s offered, but is one from elsewhere automatically stuck here for a time after their initial death if they are forced into a bad situation?** 3. **Slightly joking, but for 4th density… how frequent are the orgies, raves, and similar festivities?** If anything like this has been answered, I’d love a link. There’s A LOT of conscious channeling and being new to spirituality there’s human authors I need to read too. I can’t be the only one that accepts the spiritual angle and all the ethical advice, but really likes the “science fiction” side too… without UFOs and aliens, there is no way I would have ever read the Ra Contact. Never would have given it a chance- and then I wouldn’t know which UFOs to follow and which want me to “feel like a second density laboratory creature”. Not that I’ve seen any of the second variety, just the first. Or how to protect myself from the less than friendly “greetings” that I have to fend off in various states to get to those oh so warm and nice entities with which I actually want to commune. ---

**Author:** ![PJNunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e274bd/32.png) [@PJNunya](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/PJNunya)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 12:22pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/4 "2023-05-12T12:22:51Z")

I would be careful about any channeling that might get Ra involved. LSDMTNT, you brought up something of the paradox of free will I was contemplating regarding violence in self defense/ protection of self-other self. If what we have been given regarding pre-incarnated choices is true, then technically everything that happens in this density was already planned. The paradox being it is only free will because I/we forgot that this was already chosen as a possible outcome, so to us in 3rd density, it seems like a choice. That being said, if one should encounter a mass shooter/serial killer-rapist/etc then it can be argued that prior to incarnating here, our souls discussed the possibility of it ending violently for one or both of us. Thus, there really is no karmic debt since the souls involved already agreed upon this possible outcome. I guess that would lead into a question. _If it is true that we decided all the experiences to have with other selves prior to this incarnation, then isn’t karmic debt really only accrued due to the Veil and us believing we have karmic debt?_ Or put another way, _is karmic debt a trap used by STS entities to keep us here so they can continue to feed?_ ---

**Author:** ![anon93239903](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@anon93239903](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/anon93239903)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 12:51am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/5 "2023-05-13T00:51:24Z")

Thanks Patrick! I am aware, and do understand there is a “suggestion box.” And that there is a mountain of questions. But that mountain of questions from readers and seekers should actually motivate the channeling circle to ask Q’uo/confederation on behalf of all the students/teachers of the Loo. On the other hand, I feel that the “heart” or “like” system in the forum could help highlight question/s that are interested by the collective. ---

**Author:** ![LSDMTNT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3be4f8/32.png) [@LSDMTNT](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/LSDMTNT)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 2:45am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/6 "2023-05-13T02:45:15Z")

> [@PJNunya](#): > > Or put another way, is karmic debt a trap used by STS entities to keep us here so they can continue to feed? If I put on my Alex Jones or David Icke hat, I’d agree enthusiastically and start yelling about psychic pedophile vampires and lizard people and the light being a reptilian soul trap and the veil of forgetting being run via the hollow moon put around earth by the demiurge. But all joking aside, I’d like to believe that the Light has its reasons that are ultimately loving. The more I know, the less I know. The more personal spiritual experiences I have, the more I realize my ignorance. The law of one and the material related to the army report that comes to similar conclusions to construct a model of the universe in which the successes had in remote viewing both different times and locations are great for getting one’s mind in a knot. Mind knots can be fun, particularly in certain chemical states. As for me, I’m going to agree with a Hatton quote I read on Reddit. The intellect can be useful, but unless you unite your intellect with your feelings and intuition, and of course they recommend meditation, you end up with the situation we have on earth which is heavily intellectual but a planet of children in terms of true maturity. We often judge being able to quote various famous authors, or manipulate business, or whatever our particular culture judges mature as true maturity. We have endless intellectual constructs in industrial civilization, but most of us still are children at the core. This would include me, I’ve gone native. I think the answer is in the heart, not the mind as much as I like my surface level intellectual stuff like other humans. Free will, rather it’s real is a brain teaser whether you examine in a materialistic way or a panpsychic way. Do I really have a choice? The positive entities I’ve met psychically, long story, exude such warmth and love that I would do anything they asked me to just for another few moments of their presence. They don’t command though, not so far, so perhaps there is something to the LoL cosmology. But even if I’m not always good at it, if sto gets me more of that feeling, then I’m certainly not even considering sts! But if I’m doing sto for that reason, am I just being sts after all? But I suppose it does feel better to pet a puppy than kick it into obedience regardless… So many questions. Anyway good post. But why wouldn’t we want Ra involved? And aren’t they a member of Quo anyway? Or is something else being channeled of late? I only got into this sort of stuff and started having personal experiences in the pas year. ---

**Author:** ![PJNunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e274bd/32.png) [@PJNunya](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/PJNunya)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 10:58am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/7 "2023-05-13T10:58:52Z")

That second question was more of an extra and since it can be answered with a simple yes/no, I figured to add it. I’m more along the belief of we have karmic debt because we make it so. I totally agree about what you said regarding intellect and intuition, both have their place, both need to be in balance with each other. I’m concerned about channeling Ra because of what I read in the Ra Material. Don’t have a question so I won’t take up more time now. ---

**Author:** ![JTWayt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e79b87/32.png) [@JTWayt](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/JTWayt)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 3:43pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/8 "2023-05-17T15:43:47Z")

My Question: Did this Earth have a 3rd density Master Cycle of 77,000 years before this current one, or are we ending the first for this planet? ---

**Author:** ![Mirror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3be4f8/32.png) [@Mirror](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Mirror)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 3:34am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/10 "2023-05-20T03:34:29Z")

For @oswg_jeremy Through hypnotherapy a person can ask the subconscious mind to reveal the lessons intended for this incarnation, the significance of various life events or courses of action pertaining to these lessons and many other related things. Because such answers are normally not directly available, what might be the consequences of seeking such answers? Could the disruption of any intended confusion be deleterious? Does hearing such answers incur additional responsibilities if the seeker finds them to be resonant with their sense of personal knowing? What other spiritual lessons may be involved in such a process, and how is it best to approach such a method of seeking so that one benefits most deeply from it? ---

**Author:** ![anon93239903](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@anon93239903](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/anon93239903)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2023, 5:54am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/11 "2023-05-27T05:54:15Z")

> [@anon93239903](#): > > The book of Mormon, it was mentioned that E.T. contacted Joseph Smith, who are these E.T.? So I wasn’t able to find any answer to this. Other than l/l circle just saying it was “aliens” that contacted Joseph Smith. But someone I knew that left the church recently shared this link with me. Specifically **[2 Nephi 5:21]** “And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.” > **[Reddit - The heart of the internet](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/1ci17u/daily_scripture_chase_most_racist_scripture_in/)** ---

**Author:** ![Jeremy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/82dd89/32.png) [@Jeremy](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Jeremy)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 11:13am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/12 "2023-06-01T11:13:53Z")

I haven’t read many of the newer channelings so I apologize if it has been covered. I’m also unsure if such a question would be suitable for the conscious channel as well but figured I’d ask. Unsure whether the federation members would consider it transient but I’d love to hear their perspectives on between incarnations. Something akin to the book Journey of Souls. ---

**Author:** ![JTWayt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e79b87/32.png) [@JTWayt](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/JTWayt)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 4:01pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/13 "2023-06-18T16:01:46Z")

A disadvantage of knowing the lesson plan could be the lesson not fully absorbed. Altho, much catalyst is experienced in full because the plan is forgotten in the moment. The seeker might greatly resonate with the answers and embrace the lessons to come. The Higher Self could rearrange catalyst to work more closely with a willing seeker. The knowledge would bear greater responsibility. It all depends on the desire of the seeker to grow, in which case nothing could stop him/her. ---

**Author:** ![Mirror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3be4f8/32.png) [@Mirror](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Mirror)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 4:29pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/14 "2023-06-18T16:29:02Z")

> [@JTWayt](#): > > The knowledge would bear greater responsibility. It all depends on the desire of the seeker to grow, in which case nothing could stop him/her. Good points. ---

**Author:** ![Mirror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3be4f8/32.png) [@Mirror](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Mirror)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 6:50am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/15 "2023-06-23T06:50:13Z")

@oswg_jeremy What is wisdom and what is it not? How would you distinguish it from acquired knowledge and discussion of knowledge? What is its role vis-a-vis love? In a time of transition from third to fourth density how is wisdom best used and best surrendered to deeper concerns? For those of us whose interest leans heavily towards wisdom and, perhaps, also towards more transient concerns, what advice could you offer to any who wish to deepen their seeking? Thank you. ---

**Author:** ![Bobpenn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee59a6/32.png) [@Bobpenn](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Bobpenn)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 10:54am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/16 "2024-03-07T10:54:23Z")

Yes, we are tricked to come back here in the astral/4th dimension. We do not have to come back to the reincarnation prison, so the lower frequency entitiies(y) may continue to feed off of our lower emotional energies. this is why our memories are wiped, and we must sign on the dotted line so to speak. We can realize “Infinite Reality” when the illusion of our bodies is deprogrammed… we need to keep it simple. Remember, there is always more to know… ---

**Author:** ![dohman](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/dohman/32/2948_2.png) [@dohman](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/dohman)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 6:39pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/17 "2024-04-27T18:39:25Z")

My main question: regarding this quote about the harvest/ removal of the veil: > “…This is to say, there should be those third/fourth-density entities with the dual-activated bodies that will be able to make the graduation, since that has already been affirmed for these entities upon another planetary sphere. The entities with the third-density body, yellow-ray activated only, will, at that time, need to move through the process of moving into the light, to determine the harvestability. Thus, at some point, there will be, as you say, only the fourth-density entities upon the planet, however, the amount of time, as you would measure it, that this process will take, is not, at this time, known.” [Q’uo Channeling / Feb. 26th, 2017](https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2017/0226#!1) **Has this in-between stage of 100-700 years already begun, or does that start where the third-density bodies have all moved into the light, at some point, and only the dual-activated, and those that have chosen / made the graduation into 4th density, will be remaining & incarnating on the planet - marking the distinct transitional period of 3rd/4th density body evolution toward 4th density?** ---

**Author:** ![Patrick](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/patrick/32/5_2.png) [@Patrick](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Patrick)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 7:07pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/18 "2024-04-27T19:07:55Z")

Yes, I believe we are in the in-between right now. ---

**Author:** ![dohman](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/dohman/32/2948_2.png) [@dohman](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/dohman)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 7:09pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/19 "2024-04-27T19:09:56Z")

My 2nd question, related: **Does the ‘full removal of the viel’ mean that all 3rd density (non-dual activated) entities will essentially be ‘moving into the light’ to determine harvestability upon such removal of the veil, at that moment specifically? Does ‘imminent’ mean that this is removal of the veil, and ‘moving into the light’ of the 3rd density (non-dual activated) is approached in waves, and with a final, large wave?** > However, at some point, which is imminent, though not specifically predictable, there will no longer be the opportunity to return for third-density work to be processed into fourth-density harvest. > **[May 26, 2018 - Saturday meditation - L/L Research](https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2018/0526#!24)** > > Topics: Overpopulation and soul incarnation; the thinning of the veil; the first three distortions and the mind, body, and spirit; effects of aging on the body; population reduction in fourth density. > “that the thinning of the veil, though it will proceed at first, as nearly as we can tell, very slowly, and by stops and starts, and more in some pockets than in others, will at some point assume a momentum that will make it an unstoppable process, and as this begins to be more and more true, it could happen that very quickly the veil could be removed so that it almost does seem as if one has, at that point, leapt across a sudden chasm or boundary.” [Feb 26th, 2017](https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2017/0226#!1) ---

**Author:** ![dohman](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/dohman/32/2948_2.png) [@dohman](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/dohman)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 7:17pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/20 "2024-04-27T19:17:00Z")

Very interesting… If so, I believe it means that many of us today could be alive to interact more and more directly with 4th density entities (full, not only the dual-activated) visitors/ natives, beyond channeling, as in face to face, within this lifetime. ---

**Author:** ![Patrick](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/patrick/32/5_2.png) [@Patrick](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Patrick)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 7:35pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164/21 "2024-04-27T19:35:49Z")

It is ever possible. But from my understanding of this subject, it is improbable. Here are my notes on the subject of the transition. > [@](#): > > [Q’uo](http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2007/2007_0731.aspx) > …We would suggest that the possibility/probability vortices at this time indicate that each entity to whom we speak shall live out his natural physical life, die a natural death, and then walk the steps of light to see whether he has graduated from third grade or density in this school of souls, or whether he shall have to repeat the grade… > [@](#): > > [Q’uo](http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2006/2006_0101.aspx) > …Eventually, your planet will no longer be able to sustain the evolutionary energy necessary to live a third-density life. Once this has occurred and there are no longer any third-density entities dwelling on the planet, fourth density will indeed become able not only to interpenetrate third density but to appear. At this point in its development, all of fourth density chooses not to appear. It chooses to remain as an unseen energy in order to allow the third-density entities to complete their patterns… > [@](#): > > [Hatonn](http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1985/1985_0609.aspx) > …it is within the self that the transition shall truly occur. That which occurs at harvest is within the self; that which occurs within the planet, although interesting, is a separate subject from the one which might well be considered far more interesting to the self. And that is that it is likely that this lifetime or at the very most, for those who die soon from the physical body, one more lifetime, shall be the last opportunity before graduation to refine the polarity of self to the point at which you the seeker might accept the quality of light which is the native light in fourth density… > [@](#): > > [Q’uo](http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2006/2006_0101.aspx) > …It is very likely and we are looking only at probability vortices, not actual predictions that your people will not only be able to live out their current incarnations here but that there will be enough energy within third density to maintain third-density bodies and the energies of evolution, in terms of the spirit, for some of your time, perhaps as many as a hundred or a hundred and fifty of your years. It is difficult but not impossible to predict with any accuracy what shall occur with your people. However, the time of third density for doing third-density work is virtually over… > [@](#): > > [Q’uo](http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2006/2006_0101.aspx) > …One reason there is no need to fear these changes is that these changes are largely non-physical. As the questioner expressed the question, it was clear that the questioner was aware that they take place in the unseen realms, the inner planes. Therefore, while these changes are absolutely radical and revolutionary, they are not changes that will affect life as you know it on planet Earth. Consensus reality shall reflect only shadows of these changes… > [@](#): > > [Hatonn](http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1985/1985_0818.aspx) > …we may use an analogy further utilizing the concept of the school with the grades that represent the levels of understanding or densities of experience. In your third-density illusion, each experience is a question each experience is the same question. There is only one question on this test which you call life. It is reflected in each experience. The question is, Do you see love in this experience? In some degree the seeker will see love in each experience; in some degree the seeker will not. As the seeker is able to answer each experience question with an answer that approaches one hundred percent Yes, the seeker is polarizing in the positive sense. We may report that the good news of the test is that fifty-one percent is passing. When the seeker is able to answer each answer to a level of fifty-one percent of experiencing and seeing love, the seeker is then of a polarized enough nature to move into the fourth-density grade in the octave of creation that you now experience. The seeker, then, has achieved the minimum polarization that will allow it to withstand the greater intensity of energy available within the fourth-density class. > > Without at least the ability to see love in fifty-one percent of one s perceptions and experiences, the energy available in the fourth-density class would be too much for the circuit of the seeker who had not yet sufficiently regularized or polarized its being in order that its circuits not be blown, shall we say, as the greater intensity of light became the reality for the seeker… > [@](#): > > 63.8 Questioner: I would like to continue with the questions about the fact that in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energies will be activated; yellow, blue, etc. being in potentiation. Right now, we have green energies activated. They have been activated for the last 45 years. I am wondering about the transition through this period so that the green is totally activated and the yellow is in potentiation. What will we lose as the yellow goes from activation into potentiation, and what will we gain as green comes into total activation, and what is the process? > > Ra: I am Ra. It is misleading to speak of gains and losses when dealing with the subject of the cycle s ending and the green-ray cycle beginning upon your sphere. It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss. There are progressive cycles for experiential use by entities. We may now address your query. > > As the green-ray cycle or the density of love and understanding begins to take shape the yellow-ray plane or Earth which you now enjoy in your dance will cease to be inhabited for some period of your space/time as the space/time necessary for fourth-density entities to learn their ability to shield their density from that of third is learned. After this period there will come a time when third density may again cycle on the yellow-ray sphere. > > Meanwhile there is another sphere, congruent to a great extent with yellow ray, forming. This fourth-density sphere coexists with first, second, and third. It is of a denser nature due to the rotational core atomic aspects of its material. We have discussed this subject with you. > > The fourth-density entities which incarnate at this space/time are fourth density in the view of experience but are incarnating in less dense vehicles due to desire to experience and aid in the birth of fourth density upon this plane. > > You may note that fourth-density entities have a great abundance of compassion. > [@](#): > > 20.6 Questioner: Speaking of the rapid change that occurred in the physical vehicle; the change from second to third density: this, you said, occurred in approximately a generation and a half. Body hair was lost and there were structural changes. > > I am aware of the physics of Dewey B. Larson, who states that all is motion or vibration. Am I correct in assuming that the basic vibration, which makes up the physical world as we experience it, changes, thus creating a different set of parameters, shall I say, in this short period of time between density changes allowing for the new type of vehicle? Am I correct? > > Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. [Next page](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/questions-for-the-confederation-from-forum-members/1164.md?page=2)