# Message From Jesus **URL:** \ **Category:** Spiritual & Metaphysical Matters\ **Created:** [July 26, 2023, 9:29am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370 "2023-07-26T09:29:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24

**Author:** ![MelissaMiller](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/melissamiller/32/2919_2.png) [@MelissaMiller](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/MelissaMiller)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 1:00pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/464 "2024-07-20T13:00:22Z")

> **[Prayers of the Cosmos: Meditations on the Aramaic Words of Jesus: Neil...](https://www.amazon.com/Prayers-Cosmos-Meditations-Aramaic-Words/dp/0060619953)** > > Prayers of the Cosmos: Meditations on the Aramaic Words of Jesus \[Neil Douglas-Klotz, Matthew Fox\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. Prayers of the Cosmos: Meditations on the Aramaic Words of Jesus I love that this thread popped up again b/c I’ve been reading this and thought it might fit here. It’s an explorative translation of the Lord’s Prayer and the Beatitudes from the Aramaic taking out the Greek middleman. The author goes line by line offering multiple possibilites of translations for each line with notes on the Ancient Middle Eastern roots, cultural understanding and context, and mystical tradition. It’s breathing new life into old words for me. ---

**Author:** ![flofrog](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/flofrog/32/149_2.png) [@flofrog](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/flofrog)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 8:38am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/465 "2024-07-21T08:38:32Z")

Thank you Melissa, it looks pretty delightful… ☺ ---

**Author:** ![Quid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/quid/32/109_2.png) [@Quid](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Quid)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 5:18pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/466 "2024-08-06T17:18:48Z")

If projected to today’s middle east it will be something like: The Pharisees = Iranian Shiite Clerics / Catholic Church The Sadducees = Saudis family / Gulf Emir / Global Elite The Zealots = Zionist, ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah using religion as people rallying tools to attain a self-centered political agenda, they don’t work well with each others and despised each others, the closest in graduation through STS path. The Essenes = Sufis, Yogi Mystics… ascetic way of life, meditate, fasting etc… Personally; Many of Jesus parable starting to make sense to me once I’m exposed to Sufis and Yogic philosophy… (ie: forgive and you shall be forgiven = Karma law, Parable of Prodigal Son = Mokhsa) ---

**Author:** ![flofrog](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/flofrog/32/149_2.png) [@flofrog](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/flofrog)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 11:17am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/467 "2024-08-08T11:17:52Z")

interesting parallels. Quid… definitely both humorous and on point… so perhaps not so humorous, but still. Beautiful Sufis dance here,… a bit Bollywood but still… lol [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/6/6d5a1335902dabab41eba03047179d47a3dff376.jpeg "Khwaja Mere Khwaja - Jodhaa Akbar|@A. R. Rahman|Hrithik Roshan|Aishwarya Rai") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YbAaRFk70o) ---

**Author:** ![Quid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/quid/32/109_2.png) [@Quid](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Quid)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 4:52pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/468 "2024-08-09T16:52:34Z")

There’s a Sufi practice of swirling dance, invented by Rumi, still actively practiced in Turkey today. [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/b/b4eb94c4a9227145a88a8a75a9f73bd5aa0a2d9a.jpeg "Step inside the mind of a whirling dervish") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8YET0Bg_Ok) It’s another technique of meditation, a way / mean to unify with “The One”, or in Ra’s lingo a mean to opening up the gateway and connecting to the infinite intelligence. ---

**Author:** ![K.K.33](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/k.k.33/32/1845_2.png) [@K.K.33](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/K.K.33)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 5:25pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/469 "2024-08-09T17:25:07Z")

> [@Quid](#): > > It’s another technique of meditation, a way / mean to unify with “The One”, or in Ra’s lingo a mean to opening up the gateway and connecting to the infinite intelligence. It seems that this phenomenon has something to do with positive dissociation thanks to spinning - a detachment from mundane emotions and thoughts. And additional energy released from the rotating energy centers due to this movement, finding an outlet from the top of the head. ---

**Author:** ![flofrog](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/flofrog/32/149_2.png) [@flofrog](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/flofrog)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/470 "2024-08-09T21:22:08Z")

ah so great… ---

**Author:** ![soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@soup](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/soup)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 7:59am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/471 "2024-08-14T07:59:51Z")

I looked for the word “panacea” and found this thread. The intuitive idea behind that is this. The one infinite creator as panacea to infinite suffering. If you get it, it’s profound. Experiences of pain can seem like near death episodes that irreparably change a person. With the peak states of pain, can come a desire to end the pain or put a stop to it by any means. Some people consider euthanasia as the humane alternative, a merciful exit to beloved pets or elders who chronically suffer, and by that pain condition may be in some regards disabled from helping to the degrees of quality they hold themselves to. This might tie into Don Elkin’s death as some merciful creative act of self euthanasia, as alternative to ongoing pain and suffering. Suicide may not always be martyrdom. Could Don be the next Jesus? If wanderers went out and found him, like the Panchen Lama, and he pierced the veil, like the Dalai Lama - I wonder! Isn’t reincarnation better than ressurection? ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 3:04pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/472 "2024-08-15T15:04:29Z")

> [@Quid](#): > > If projected to today’s middle east it will be something like: > > The Pharisees = Iranian Shiite Clerics / Catholic Church > The Sadducees = Saudis family / Gulf Emir / Global Elite > The Zealots = Zionist, ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah using religion as people rallying tools to attain a self-centered political agenda, they don’t work well with each others and despised each others, the closest in graduation through STS path. > The Essenes = Sufis, Yogi Mystics… ascetic way of life, meditate, fasting etc… Not quite… [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/2/29f96dc4674a2fdd1f49059dc0cc17f4f26c1731.jpeg "Dr. Gabor Maté on Israel/Palestine - October 28, 2023") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHDBw-wx6w0) I remind you that Nelson Mandela was designated as a terrorist during apartheid South Africa and the ANC (his party) as a terrorist organisation… ---

**Author:** ![soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@soup](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/soup)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 6:17am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/473 "2024-10-16T06:17:00Z")

I searched for Paul McCarthy’s song Let It Be, and found this thread. It’s interesting Nelson Mandela was mentioned here also but I didn’t stumble across it until after writing about the Mandela Effect elsewhere. So it’s a weave. I reflect that on October.7 there was a music festival, with some theme of peace. One artist I look toward as an ambassador so is Ellyanna - a Palestinian/Chilean/Christian/Musician who creates evolved functional information in the form of musical complexity. She played at the Austin City Limits music festival recently and left a powerful impression upon many attending. As if her music is a carrier wave of something important, a collective vibe of love power - no matter what language she sings in. [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/3/30483224a919c9aa15d5d0df81d7c4533bba720e.jpeg "Elyanna - Ana Lahale ft. Massari (Official Video)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbeHNZoEPDo) ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 10:21am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/474 "2024-10-29T10:21:03Z")

Regardless of opinions and positions of Oct. 7, which was essentially a prison break, given that Gaza is an open air prison, no-one can dispute the fact that Oct. 7 has placed the issue of Palestinian liberation front and center on the world stage, where it belongs. That is a good thing. If anyone followed the BRICS summit in the last couple of days, and listened to the speeches of Putin, Xi and other world leaders, then it’s clear that Palestinian liberation will remain a top priority for BRICS nations. ---

**Author:** ![Quid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/quid/32/109_2.png) [@Quid](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Quid)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2024, 5:32am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/475 "2024-12-29T05:32:37Z")

> [@Passer-by](#): > > I remind you that Nelson Mandela was designated as a terrorist during apartheid South Africa and the ANC (his party) as a terrorist organisation… Yet Mandela’s vibe is the opposite of Salafis which founded the Hamas. I sense very similar vibe between the Israel’s right wing (the Likud et. al.) and Palestinian’s right wing (Hamas). They’re not too different and actually very similar. As mentioned by Ra/Quo; STS groups tend to fight each others to decide who’s on top of the pecking order. ---

**Author:** ![K.K.33](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/k.k.33/32/1845_2.png) [@K.K.33](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/K.K.33)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2024, 11:11am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/476 "2024-12-29T11:11:53Z")

Yes, within the framework of the STO model, aggression is never an appropriate response. Passive resistance, however, is both permissible and often effective, even desirable. That said, it’s crucial to consider the specific context in which passive resistance is employed, as the circumstances significantly shape its application. In situations of hardship—though I understand this is easier said than done—the ideal approach, in theory, is to accept the suffering one is experiencing. Such suffering is rarely accidental; it often represents the return of karmic energy or a choice made at the level of the Higher Self. These experiences arise to invite us to fully engage with them, to open our hearts and feel deeply, even when they bring pain or discomfort. Rather than taking up arms and responding with aggression, from a metaphysical perspective—where the survival of the physical body is not the ultimate priority—it is wiser to adopt a long-term view. By offering love and positive energy, even to those who might harm us, we align ourselves with the Universe’s inherent tendency toward balance. In doing so, we allow supportive and positive energy to flow back to us, breaking the cycle of karmic burdens that we may have imposed on others in the past. > [@Passer-by](#): > > That is a good thing. If anyone followed the BRICS summit in the last couple of days, and listened to the speeches of Putin, Xi and other world leaders, then it’s clear that Palestinian liberation will remain a top priority for BRICS nations. When considering the relationship between the Western alliance and BRICS, it is important to recognize that their actions, for the most part, align with the STS orientation; I mean both sides. However, there are differences between them. This is not a zero-sum scenario; some entities operate closer to the One Creator in a general sense or follow the proper mechanics of STS polarity more effectively. Others are more distorted in their actions, leading to a loss of the power that flows from properly aligned polarity. Let’s assume that BRICS is closer to the Creator, while the Western alliance is further removed. There is a marked difference between attempting to establish a new social system (BRICS) that respects free will—thereby avoiding depolarization and allowing for an effective promotion of STS from 3D to 4D at harvest time, including a degree of respect for those who choose STO—and the old system (Western), which is rooted in monetary control, warfare, exploitation, and, in the desperation of losing power, a drive toward kill all the ‘bad guys’ and depopulation. One could metaphorically describe this dynamic as a chess game played by 4th and 5th density STS entities, where the pawns on the chessboard are those in 3rd density. The Western alliance could be seen as the black pawns, while BRICS represents the white pawns. The 4th/5th density STS entities are playing black, leveraging the Western alliance to generate death and fear, which they use as sustenance, feeding on negative energy. Simultaneously, they are also playing with the white pawns, using them as instruments to facilitate the next stage of Earth’s evolution—the harvest to 4th density. The old system, spearheaded by the USA (or more accurately, the entrenched power structures, elites, or arrangements within it), is no longer adequate for this purpose. What might we expect? To the plan, it seems logical that the black pawns will lose, but with as much attrition of the white pawns as possible—though not so much as to risk the broader objectives of the STS agenda. And where are the STO entities in this scenario? STO beings from the 4th, 5th, 6th, and even the 7th density do not participate in this chess game. Instead, they protect and guide those in 3rd density who seek their help and support. For us, the wisest path is to refrain from engaging in these chess games altogether. Instead, we should focus on serving others positively, serve to All in a positive sense, embracing love and compassion, and accepting things as they are. ---

**Author:** ![Quid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/quid/32/109_2.png) [@Quid](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Quid)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2024, 8:34pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/477 "2024-12-29T20:34:47Z")

> [@K.K.33](#): > > Yes, within the framework of the STO model, aggression is never an appropriate response. With knowledge that ‘others’ are actually ‘me’, an aggression towards ‘others’ is actually aggression towards ‘me’. Thus why aggression is not an appropriate response for those who are lenient towards STO path. But a ‘sensical’ approach for those who are lenient towards the path of separation / STS. Others are not me, me must be superior above others… STO acts very rarely makes it to the news, would somebody bought a newspaper with headline about “Peaceful village where everybody help each others unselfishly”… heck no… but when the headline is “Somebody bombed the peaceful village and murdered all babies”… people will rush to read the news… The other thing to highlight here is to AVOID STEREOTYPE. The name of the ‘group’ that makes it to the ‘news’ due to their STS acts does not represent the entire populace. There are kind and loving people in both sides which do not make it to the news. For Israel-Palestine conflict Likud does not represent the entire Israeli population just like Hamas does not represent the entire Palestinian population. Thus I mentioned that both Likud and Hamas actually “shared the same vibe”. ---

**Author:** ![flofrog](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/flofrog/32/149_2.png) [@flofrog](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/flofrog)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2025, 6:45pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/478 "2025-01-03T18:45:51Z")

Thank you Quid… as always. ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 1:14pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/479 "2025-01-14T13:14:05Z")

Quid, here’s some books you can read about the Israeli / Palestinian conflict. Resistance is the byproduct of oppression. ![81fEw8i8omL.AC_SL1500](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/3/38eab8d6d6c406d8139c0c9f51dc681394141ef2.jpeg) ![71I-AWiEaxL.AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_FMwebp](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/c/c550ac6340f4d9acd10105cb4136eb5edebb0bee.webp) ![TGs-10th-anni-cover.-larger-f-s-1](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/e/e60c6605bbcfb4568d168c5f2b82363633810477.jpeg) ---

**Author:** ![Quid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/quid/32/109_2.png) [@Quid](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Quid)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/480 "2025-01-14T20:32:16Z")

> [@Passer-by](#): > > Resistance is the byproduct of oppression. Hatred, pride and violence is the (common) results of trauma from oppression. It’s a common recurring pattern… with the oppressee sometimes switching role to become the oppressor. How to stop this chain of karma? Forgiveness… As forgiveness shall break the bond of karma… > Only one thing stops the wheel of karma, and that is total forgiveness. > – Latwii, June 23rd, 1990 ---

**Author:** ![soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@soup](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/soup)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 6:26am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/481 "2025-01-15T06:26:11Z")

The Los Angeles fires brought up some comment, an actress mentioned that the desolated neighborhoods looked like Gaza. And I pondered the idea that a feeling of anger seems like heat or fire where war might be some form of fire, why not fight wars like forest fires, with pink fire retardant and bombers full of sea water? The fire fighters have amazing fortitude, resilience, and perseverance. Somehow fire fighters seem STO folks who selflessly pit themselves in dangerous circumstance for the benefit of others. Of course, there may be exceptions, but I lend a general benefit of doubt that doing this service polarizes a person more STO than otherwise. Sure, there’s likely STO soldiers who support others in such fights, but those who kill with bloodlust probably polarize STS, killing as an ultimate power over others, like a hallmark of that polarization. There can also be fear involved with STS, and the combination of fear and anger together seems like a relatively stupid state to operate in, not so different than an animal in fight or flight mode, where good decisions seem lucky at best. I think many soldiers in harms way might think of their foes as animals worthy of slaughter, sadly. An encouragement to strive toward harmony and peace in good fellowship seems an antithesis to holding a bellicose attitude, as if our greater human beingness resides in being less animal in fight or flight mode. Such ideas might complement reprogramming parts of the brain that trigger fight or flight. Experientially, it seems as if love displaces fear in ways we can grow some greater degree fearless. For example, a cold chill indicating the presence of a negative might be observed as a cue to lend more space - distance as a peace maker, as opposed to reacting aggressively in defense of whatever agenda is going on. Apparently many experts are getting closer to disclosing the presence of many dozens of advanced civilizations who are thousands of years beyond humanity, all who act consistently benevolent. It seems as if benevolence may be a quality of gate keeping that a dweller on the threshold checks for, a sorting means that allows further progress or retards advancement. May there be peace! ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 10:08am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/482 "2025-01-15T10:08:31Z")

> [@soup](#): > > The Los Angeles fires brought up some comment, an actress mentioned that the desolated neighborhoods looked like Gaza. It sure does look like Gaza. All of us who have read the Ra material knew that things were going to get a little on the tumultuous side, but it still doesn’t reduce the shock factor when witnessing world events. I am really disturbed by Gaza, didn’t think humans were capable of quite such a level of cruelty. ---

**Author:** ![flofrog](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/flofrog/32/149_2.png) [@flofrog](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/flofrog)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 4:43pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/483 "2025-01-15T16:43:48Z")

> [@Quid](#): > > Hatred, pride and violence is the (common) results of trauma from oppression. > It’s a common recurring pattern… with the oppressee sometimes switching role to become the oppressor. > How to stop this chain of karma? Forgiveness… > As forgiveness shall break the bond of karma… Quid you are so completely right… [Previous page](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370.md?page=23) [Next page](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370.md?page=25)