# Message From Jesus

**URL:** <https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370>\
**Category:** Spiritual & Metaphysical Matters\
**Created:** [July 26, 2023, 9:29am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370 "2023-07-26T09:29:28Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Patrick](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/patrick/32/5_2.png) [@Patrick](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Patrick)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 4:09pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/424 "2023-10-20T16:09:01Z")

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> [@Passer-by](#):
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> That’s assuming that those were his words…

Indeed. Hence why one should always use discernment in absolutely any and all source of information.

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**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 4:13pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/425 "2023-10-20T16:13:08Z")

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> [@Patrick](#):
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> Maybe it is something like this: if you love any one of those listed, then you might want to remain in their company and not abandon everything in order to follow Jesus.

Then why use the word “hate”?

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**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 4:16pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/426 "2023-10-20T16:16:37Z")

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You don’t have to force square pegs into round holes, Patrick. If it doesn’t fit, it doesn’t fit.

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**Author:** ![Patrick](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/patrick/32/5_2.png) [@Patrick](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Patrick)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 4:19pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/427 "2023-10-20T16:19:37Z")

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Just playing Devil’s advocate. 😉

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**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 4:31pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/428 "2023-10-20T16:31:00Z")

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Not to mention the fact that such a statement is a complete violation of free will (and sounding threatening). Someone who took such care with free will, could never have uttered such words.

> [@](#):
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> I am Ra. You may have read some of this entity’s workings. It offered itself as teacher to those mind/body/spirit complexes which gathered to hear, and even then spoke as through veil so as to leave room for those not wishing to hear.

That statement in Luke 14 makes him sound like a cult leader. As I said much earlier in this thread, if someone says that today, you will be looking for the nearest exit.

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**Author:** ![Patrick](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/patrick/32/5_2.png) [@Patrick](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Patrick)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/429 "2023-10-20T16:48:46Z")

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In my opinion, such things results from people misunderstanding what Jesus actually said at the time. Plus mouth to ear accounts and then translations…

Distortions squared.

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**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 4:54pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/430 "2023-10-20T16:54:02Z")

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Something I was actually thinking of today, is that there are a number of questions in this thread which I’d like to be asked of Quo, Latwii, Hatonn and friends.

Would it be considered by the crew if I compiled a few?

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**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/431 "2023-10-20T16:56:25Z")

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> [@Patrick](#):
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> In my opinion, such things results from people misunderstanding what Jesus actually said at the time. Plus mouth to ear accounts and then translations…
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> Distortions squared.

Absolutely! 🙂 I’ve seen some feathers flying online just around the various translations of the Tao Te Ching - the most translated book in the world after the bible…

Thank God Ra spoke English! 🥳 Not my mother tongue, but close enough…

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**Author:** ![Vasilisa](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/vasilisa/32/66_2.png) [@Vasilisa](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Vasilisa)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 5:20pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/432 "2023-10-20T17:20:09Z")

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I myself am ready to scatter feathers around the translation of psalms))  
And after reading the texts from the Nag Hammadi Library, even more cultural questions arise…

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**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 5:21pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/433 "2023-10-20T17:21:18Z")

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Just one single incident in the gospels, when Jesus told his disciples “beware the yeast of the Pharisees”, and it was his sense of humour, and they thought he meant it literally…the misunderstandings started at the get-go, as the words left his mouth…

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**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 5:23pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/434 "2023-10-20T17:23:08Z")

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Lol! Get some questions ready, I’ll ask L/L for a favour. 🤠

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**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 5:37pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/435 "2023-10-20T17:37:21Z")

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I hope anyone can appreciate the humour here. 😝

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**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/436 "2023-10-20T17:39:15Z")

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![square-peg-round-hole](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/0/0120b2b00d8c14ca6b52c49e329cb8927a354d7f.jpeg)

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**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 6:14pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/437 "2023-10-20T18:14:40Z")

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> [@Vasilisa](#):
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> And after reading the texts from the Nag Hammadi Library, even more cultural questions arise…

Would that be around the other deception of the Catholic church? Playing down the importance of Mary Magdalene and turning her into a prostitute?

Because God forbid we can’t have a female at the center of a new world religion…the scandal! 🙃

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**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 6:51pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/438 "2023-10-20T18:51:48Z")

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> **[The Gospel of Mary Magdalene, by Cynthia Bourgeault | Parabola Essay](https://parabola.org/2015/01/29/the-gospel-of-mary-magdalene/)**
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> Was Mary Magdalene “first among the apostles” of Jesus Christ?

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**Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 1:03am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/439 "2023-10-21T01:03:03Z")

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> [@Passer-by](#):
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> In my personal opinion…and I have stuck my nose deep into Christianity…these were not his words.
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> One who has achieved Oneness will not use the word “against”…for are all not one?

I used to be in ‘apologetics club’, so to speak, ‘defending’ of what Jesus allegedly said.  
But not any more, even if Jesus actually speak the things that I do not resonate with,  
I will then say to him… “Yo… bro Jesus… cool down… relax… this is just a game that we all play”.

And thus I wouldn’t shooting accusations to any group for fabrication either… there might be possibility that Jesus actually did said all those things…

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**Author:** ![Quid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/quid/32/109_2.png) [@Quid](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Quid)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 1:06am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/440 "2023-10-21T01:06:55Z")

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> [@Passer-by](#):
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> That statement in Luke 14 makes him sound like a cult leader.

Oh Luke 14 is nothing, compared to this:  
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)

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**Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 5:04am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/441 "2023-10-21T05:04:07Z")

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> [@Quid](#):
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> I used to be in ‘apologetics club’, so to speak, ‘defending’ of what Jesus allegedly said.

My life is surrounded by ‘apologetics club’ members. 🙂

The realisation in the end for me, was that these words of Jesus apply to anyone and everyone:

> [@Jesus](#):
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> Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

I am very comfortable today that many words which were put in the Master’s mouth, were never his, that an enlightened being who graduated to fourth density positive, could never have uttered such words.

As Alan Watts says, the gospel was strangled at birth, which brings us full circle to [my very first post](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/13) in this thread.

Even he tried to bridge the gap between East and West, but you can only do that if you don’t try to force square pegs into round holes. What doesn’t fit, doesn’t fit.

D.T. Suzuki also tried to bridge the gap between East and West in his book Mysticism, Christian and Buddhist: The Eastern and Western Way…and eventually it simply became a treatise comparing the experience Meister Eckhart had with the experience of Zen masters.

Meister Eckhart was excommunicated by the Catholic church after his enlightenment, because he stopped forcing square pegs into round holes.

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**Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 7:03am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/442 "2023-10-21T07:03:52Z")

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> [@Passer-by](#):
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> Meister Eckhart was excommunicated by the Catholic church after his enlightenment, because he stopped forcing square pegs into round holes.

Eckhart seems to be excommed during this era:

> **[Avignon Papacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avignon_Papacy)**
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> The Avignon Papacy (French: Papauté d'Avignon) was the period from 1309 to 1376 during which seven successive popes resided in Avignon (at the time within the Kingdom of Arles, part of the Holy Roman Empire; now part of France) rather than in Rome. The situation arose from the conflict between the papacy and the French crown, culminating in the death of Pope Boniface VIII after his arrest and maltreatment by Philip IV of France. Following the subsequent death of Pope Benedict XI, Philip forced A ...

Specifically by this person:

> **[Pope John XXII](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_XXII)**
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> Pope John XXII (Latin: Ioannes PP. XXII; 1244 – 4 December 1334), born Jacques Duèze (or d'Euse), was head of the Catholic Church from 7 August 1316 to his death, in December 1334.
> He was the second and longest-reigning Avignon Pope, elected by the Conclave of Cardinals, which was assembled in Lyon through the work of King Louis X's brother Philip, the Count of Poitiers. Like his predecessor, Clement V, Pope John centralized power and income in the Papacy and lived a princely life in Avignon.
> ...

Interesting highlight about John XXII

> Upon his election, John gave 35,000 florins, of the 70,000 left to him by Clement V, to the cardinals that had voted for him.

A classic example of "money politics… " 🙂  
And “crave over money”.

While in the “Jesus prayer”:  
“Give us today our daily bread”  
(Matthew 6:11)

Why “daily”? Why not “Yearly”? or “50 years supply of bread”?  
Quo referred to that specific line, when he answered the question regarding “concern over money”.

> **[September 12, 1993 - Sunday meditation - L/L Research](https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/1993/0912)**
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> Group question: The question this afternoon has to do with the effect our constant pursuit of having enough money to survive and pay our bills causes in our spiritual seeking. We were wondering if that basic attitude of our working from 9 to 5 for...

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> [@Quid](#):
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> A classic example of "money politics… " 🙂  
> And “crave over money”.

Indeed… the Catholic church never got this memo:

> [@Matthew 6:19-21](#):
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> Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

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