# Message From Jesus

**URL:** <https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370>\
**Category:** Spiritual & Metaphysical Matters\
**Created:** [July 26, 2023, 9:29am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370 "2023-07-26T09:29:28Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Vasilisa](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/vasilisa/32/66_2.png) [@Vasilisa](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Vasilisa)\
**Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 11:32am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/404 "2023-10-16T11:32:06Z")

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I’m just trying to apply our conversation to the current life in third density) With her physical family, physical death and physical work. We have to experience all this. I understand quite well what metaphysical death is, because I have the third degree in the blue lodge of Memphis Mitzraim. The problem is that well-learned metaphysical lessons for me paradoxically correlate with physical lessons. We need to consider them in conjunction, without losing sight of the physical lessons of the third density, otherwise why are we here?

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**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\
**Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 11:38am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/405 "2023-10-16T11:38:58Z")

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> [@Vasilisa](#):
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> because I have the third degree in the blue lodge of Memphis Mitzraim.

I have no idea what that is.

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**Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 11:53am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/406 "2023-10-16T11:53:52Z")

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What I have “pointed to” in this entire thread, using all sorts of angles, is an internal freedom which is not reliant on any outside conditions. In fact, it transforms outside conditions.

Maybe it’s because you’re into Kabbalah and I’m into Zen, that we’re just speaking different languages. I don’t know how Kabbalah approaches this topic, because I haven’t ventured into Kabbalah.

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**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\
**Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 1:14pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/407 "2023-10-16T13:14:50Z")

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Another ‘angle’ on this topic:

> **[The Paradox of Self-Denial (Alan Watts)](https://itsokei.blogspot.com/2010/06/the-paradox-of-self-denial-alan-watts.html?m=1)**
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> This is a really brilliant article by Alan Watts on the subject of self, self-renunciation and self-acceptance. I had earlier posted an ani...

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**Author:** ![Vasilisa](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/vasilisa/32/66_2.png) [@Vasilisa](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Vasilisa)\
**Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/408 "2023-10-16T14:48:15Z")

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“Even in my own life I mix and match; a pinch of the Gospels, two cups Buddhism, copious amounts of Zen & Daoism, and last but not least, our friends of Ra, not to mention the herbs and spices; Alan Watts, Eckhart Tolle, Jiddu Krishnamurti…and so on and so forth… a truly delightful casserole, one for the books! Keep tasting as you stir, and balance flavours according to you own taste buds…and don’t forget the greatest teacher of all…life.”

Perhaps you are missing a couple of spoons of Kabbalah 🙂 for the sharpness of taste. Joke. In fact, this topic is big, and I have to read so much, I admit I haven’t read the whole topic. Our uniqueness is also a paradox. Especially when we communicate with other people.

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**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\
**Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 3:30pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/409 "2023-10-16T15:30:40Z")

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> [@Vasilisa](#):
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> Perhaps you are missing a couple of spoons of Kabbalah 🙂 for the sharpness of taste. Joke.

Naaah, that perpetually furious guy in the sky is a strong repellent to me! 😝 Kabbalah cannot escape Judaism, and this is just my personal reflection.

But as long as we’re enjoying the puzzle, all is well. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\
**Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 5:01pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/410 "2023-10-16T17:01:30Z")

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I’ve just gone back into the conversation, thanks for the authors you suggested, Vasilisa.

I will definitely have a peek at those.

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**Author:** ![Quid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/quid/32/109_2.png) [@Quid](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Quid)\
**Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 5:49pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/411 "2023-10-16T17:49:13Z")

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> [@Vasilisa](#):
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> Personally, I need a state of silence and inspiration for my life and work, but I have not yet advanced enough not to react with disharmony to inappropriate external stimuli.

This is called “Detachment”, the opposite of “Attachment”.

[![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/c/c7bfc31617a9ad46a0738d450b5918fb9974217b.jpeg "Learn This Subtle Art Of Detachment And Become a Superior Human Being") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE8VF8Z26yw)

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**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 5:23am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/412 "2023-10-17T05:23:45Z")

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> [@Vasilisa](#):
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> Our uniqueness is also a paradox. Especially when we communicate with other people.

Because life is neither prickles nor goo exclusively. It’s gooey prickles and prickly goo. 🙂

[![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/9/95d72dd1d56e59db228e571116fb21a3335b9561.jpeg "Alan Watts | Prickles and Goo") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH_z1MNSTbo)

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**Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:57am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/413 "2023-10-17T11:57:07Z")

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Now the paradox of paradoxes is this little gem:

> [@Ra](#):
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> If one is illuminated, are not all illuminated?

Why is anyone seeking enlightenment is everyone is already enlightened?

This was incidentally the paradox that drove [Dōgen Zenji](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C5%8Dgen) crazy.

> [@Dōgen Zenji](#):
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> “As I study both the exoteric and the esoteric schools of Buddhism, they maintain that human beings are endowed with Dharma-nature by birth. If this is the case, why did the Buddhas of all ages - undoubtedly in possession of enlightenment - find it necessary to seek enlightenment and engage in spiritual practice?”

So he traveled from Japan to China in search of a Zen master.

He found a Zen master called Tiāntóng Rújìng, and the rest is history. He solved the paradox on the night of his enlightenment.

If you’re interested in how he solved it, you can read his book [Shōbōgenzō](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Db%C5%8Dgenz%C5%8D).6

There’s also a movie about his life:

> **[Zen (2009) ⭐ 7.3 | Biography, Drama](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1156470/)**
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> 2h 7m

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**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 6:15am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/414 "2023-10-20T06:15:59Z")

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> [@Vasilisa](#):
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> because I have the third degree in the blue lodge of Memphis Mitzraim.

> [@Vasilisa](#):
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> I admit I haven’t read the whole topic.

Then you may have missed [my position](https://www.jkrishnamurti.org/about-dissolution-speech) on organisations.

Those words are as true today as when they were spoken in 1929.

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**Author:** ![Vasilisa](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/vasilisa/32/66_2.png) [@Vasilisa](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Vasilisa)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 12:08pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/415 "2023-10-20T12:08:30Z")

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I can have my own position)

> **[Rite of Memphis - Egyptian Masonic Order of the Ancient Primitive Rite of...](https://emoaprmm.com/rite-of-memphis/)**
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> Rite of Memphis. Freemasonry, Soveign Sanctuary International for Egyptian Freemasonry, Memphis-Misraim. Progressive Freemasonry.

I received the initiation, but at the moment I am on vacation and I do not know if I will return or not

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**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 1:58pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/416 "2023-10-20T13:58:24Z")

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My post wasn’t meant as a…how shall I put it? I didn’t mean it as a way of “one-upmanship”…even though while I was typing it, I was aware that it might come across that way.

I feel that Krishnamurti’s message is so important, that I just needed to share it once more (in the hope that it may be of benefit to someone/anyone).

The fact that there’s any ranking or positioning, is already a step in the wrong direction.

> [@Jiddu Krishnamurti](#):
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> Again, you have the idea that only certain people hold the key to the Kingdom of Happiness. No one holds it. No one has the authority to hold that key. That key is your own self

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**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 2:36pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/417 "2023-10-20T14:36:01Z")

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This thread has kind of taken on a life of its own! Goodness, 400+ posts! Jehoshua is still a troublemaker… 🙂

I made [a post](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/89) weeks ago addressing this same issue.

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**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/418 "2023-10-20T15:04:29Z")

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> [@Alan Watts](#):
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> And so holy people have, throughout history, always created a great deal of trouble, along with their creative results.
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> Let’s take Jesus, for example. The trouble that Jesus created is absolutely incalculable. Think of the Crusades, the Inquisition, the - heaven only knows what’s gone on in the name of Jesus. Very remarkable.

😄

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**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 3:06pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/419 "2023-10-20T15:06:25Z")

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Jesus: “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword…”

When a teacher is successful, it creates a lot of troubles for the status-quo.

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**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 3:16pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/420 "2023-10-20T15:16:35Z")

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> [@Patrick](#):
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> Jesus: “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword…”

That’s assuming that those were his words… after the Catholic chuch were done with their tampering to suit their own agenda.

…“onwards Christian soldiers” and all that…militant.

Don’t forget that almost all the Roman soldiers worshipped Mithra, and Mithraism influenced early Christianity heavily.

Rome - epicenter of Mithraism.

Rome - Vatican.

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**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/421 "2023-10-20T15:46:26Z")

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The whole passage, for context:

> [@Matthew 10:34-36](#):
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> Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
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> For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household”

In my personal opinion…and I have stuck my nose deep into Christianity…these were not his words.

One who has achieved Oneness will not use the word “against”…for are all not one?

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**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 4:03pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/422 "2023-10-20T16:03:24Z")

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Does anyone think that Jesus spoke these words?..because then I’m feeling very despondent right now… 😟

> [@Luke 14:26](#):
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> If any man come to Me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.

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**Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 4:07pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/423 "2023-10-20T16:07:27Z")

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Maybe it is something like this: if you love any one of those listed, then you might want to remain in their company and not abandon everything in order to follow Jesus.

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