# Message From Jesus **URL:** \ **Category:** Spiritual & Metaphysical Matters\ **Created:** [July 26, 2023, 9:29am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370 "2023-07-26T09:29:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 6:18am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/343 "2023-10-08T06:18:31Z")

> [@Eckhart Tolle](#): > > The ego wants to be right all the time. And it loves conflict with others. It needs enemies, because it defines itself through emphasizing others as different. > [@Jiddu Krishnamurti](#): > > How men love to be different from their fellow-men, however ridiculous, absurd and trivial their distinctions may be! … ---

**Author:** ![Quid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/quid/32/109_2.png) [@Quid](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Quid)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 6:40am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/344 "2023-10-08T06:40:36Z")

> [@Quid](#): > > who and why this ‘entity’ (might be non physical) that created / invented this religion which demands ‘blood’ as offering? Why they require human / animal blood? What is human / animal blood to them? Through some coincidences I seem to find an answer to my own question above. Citing Sarah from her channel “The Alchemist”. > Saturn and Saturn worship just like the three abrahamic religions which are the most popular in the world all have their own form and their own variation that is feeding their life force to Saturn. Why? because the demiurge is the representation it’s symbolized > through the Saturn energy through saturnian energy. > > Saturn’s most hostile and malevolent expression is the siphoning life force through worship and through many different types of battles kind of like the perfect example would be the Crusades where every team thought that they were the correct team the most righteous and their God and religion was the strongest and the mightiest. When in reality all of the different violence was all going into feeding the same entity that is all traced back to feeding Saturn which is Yahweh or the demiurge. From: [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/7/7a0348a5c9390555b0b70e16214ea6c1869d726f.jpeg "What is the Demiurge? Exit the Matrix") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgU_uSzKzmA) Demiurge / Yahweh / Saturn energy based entity feed from pranic energy generated from fear, hatred and violence (lower frequency pranic energy). First they enter through leveraging pride through creating separated “construct of group identity” (ie: Religion, Sect, Cult, Race, Nationality etc…) then boost it up with fanaticism. Next with enough level of fanaticism it will be easier to generate a conflict between those “construct of group identity”; generating much lower and tastier pranic energy than pride… fear, hatred and violence. In a meantime they also “enjoyed” fear based pranic energy generated from slain animals in the sacrifice/korban ritual, although they find human’s energy to be ‘tastier’ in comparation to animal. ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 9:46am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/345 "2023-10-08T09:46:55Z")

Well…I feel that Ra has explained really well how the two polarities work. The negative polarity will use anything at its disposal to create an “us vs them” environment…ideology…religion…race…politics…territory…“god”…history…conspiracy theories…philosophy…resources…gender…sexual orientation…classism…patriotism…nationalism…anything. The trick is not to get swepped up in any kind of societal madness, because it is a kind of of mass hysteria, no matter the country and no matter the “issue”. And anyone who lives from the level of ego (the false self) - which comprise the majority - will be swept along emotionally in “whatever” the latest grievance is. Non-attachment in Buddhism / Hinduism / Zen / Daoism describes someone who has transcended the ego, and therefore can’t be emotionally hooked. Or as per [this post](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/168) of mine, what Hinduism calls nirvikalpa. ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 11:19am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/346 "2023-10-08T11:19:43Z")

In this hysterical climate in which we live (the entire planet essentially), you have to maintain an “inner sanctuary” which is inviolate. Just pay attention to the language used in news reporting, it’s always alarmist, always fear based. I actually advocate [avoiding the news](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/266) altogether, or at the very least minimising one’s exposure. ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/348 "2023-10-08T15:02:59Z")

> [@Facts ~ more spirit communications from Monsignor Robert Hugh Benson](#): > > The Church professes to have the spiritual care of man in its hands - and knows next to nothing about the matter at all. And that great and illustrious soul, whom the earth knows as Jesus, sees from his exalted estate the havoc that has been wrought in the simple, direct, forthright teachings, the proclamation of which ultimately cost him his earthly life. > > He sees himself elevated into that deific position which never, for a single fraction of a second, did he imagine would be his in the minds of the people of earth. He knows that he tried so hard to show people how they could make the earth into a gloriously happy place, to show people how the power of the Greatest Mind could be brought to earth through His benign representatives of the spirit world. > [@Ra](#): > > Thus, our visit was relatively short, for we found ourselves in the hypocritical position of being acclaimed as other than your other-selves. … ---

**Author:** ![Quid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/quid/32/109_2.png) [@Quid](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Quid)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 4:47pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/349 "2023-10-08T16:47:37Z")

Pedestalizing something/someone is among the pattern being applied by STS. Regardless of who/what being pedestalized, including STO figure. As it will create a distance / separation between entity being pedestalized and entity who are pedestalizing / worshipping, plus it will trigger a sequence of events which aligned towards STS path. 1. Jesus/Ra/Quo/Mohammad/Yahweh/Pope/Guru/Church is superior/higher than me. #MeInferior 2. Jesus/Ra/Quo/Mohammad/Yahweh/Pope/Guru/Church is my idol. #AssociationToSuperior 3. I am superior in comparation to those who do NOT regard Jesus/Ra/Quo/Mohammad/Yahweh/Pope/Guru/Church as their idol. #MeSuperior As it turns out, Sarah also have material about it. How “worship” being used by some entity/being to siphon energy. [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/5/5e0e97fe2907f582263d834622f1fc8e382dd735.jpeg "What is Worship? - The False Light Deception") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYH0TcP95l0) ---

**Author:** ![CarlStarstuff](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/carlstarstuff/32/2380_2.png) [@CarlStarstuff](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/CarlStarstuff)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 8:48pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/350 "2023-10-08T20:48:33Z")

I’m not fully versed in talking about a lot of the concepts here, but I really like and appreciate your sentiment about us humans trying to solidify something (making an organized religion based on the snippets we get from a more spiritual place) that we aren’t fully able to conceptualize in this density. Correct me if I’m wrong, you’re talking a little bit about this concept working better as instinct and intuition - like following your own heart in these matters, and doing what you truly think is STO and love of the Creator? I do resonate with that - like if you try to “bottle” something for mass consumption, its true essence will inevitably diminish. ---

**Author:** ![Quid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/quid/32/109_2.png) [@Quid](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Quid)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 5:05pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/351 "2023-10-09T17:05:58Z")

More depiction of “false light” and how religion play important role in it. > When you’re operating not in your spiritual sovereignty and not with your own discernment, you’re allowing external things to be the source of what gives you power. That’s where control mechanisms and religion can also really come into play with this the false light structures. > The hallmark telltale signs of these are > > 1. Ego > 2. Hierarchy > 3. Worship > Any type of outside structure that is keeping you disempowered is keeping you not within the True Light of your own consciousness. [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bring4th/original/2X/8/88d9ef631f6d3639fb5feb044b1e95a3aa3cca6f.jpeg "False Light Explained") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6UUWU6umgE) ---

**Author:** ![CarlStarstuff](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/carlstarstuff/32/2380_2.png) [@CarlStarstuff](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/CarlStarstuff)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 10:42pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/352 "2023-10-09T22:42:13Z")

This part of session 73 was enlightening. Understanding how paramount free will is and how they are easily infringed upon. Sorry if this info was discussed above! I just came across it now and thought it was apropos: * * * 73.12 **Questioner:** I would then assume that the many so-called evangelists which we have in our society at present, many have great desire and very great will, and possibly great polarity. It seems to me that in some cases that there is a lack of information or awareness that creates a less than effective working in the magical sense. Am I correct in this analysis? **Ra:** I am Ra. You are partially correct. In examining the polarity of a service-to-others working the free will must be seen as paramount. Those entities of which you speak are attempting to generate positive changes in consciousness while abridging free will. This causes the blockage of the magical nature of the working except in those cases wherein an entity freely desires to accept the working of the evangelist, as you have called it. 73.13 **Questioner:** What was the orientation with respect to this type of communication for the one known as Jesus of Nazareth? **Ra:** I am Ra. You may have read some of this entity’s workings. It offered itself as teacher to those mind/body/spirit complexes which gathered to hear and even then spoke as through a veil so as to leave room for those not wishing to hear. When this entity was asked to heal, it oft times did so, always ending the working with two admonitions: firstly, that the entity healed had been healed by its faith, that is, its ability to allow and accept changes through the violet ray into the gateway of intelligent energy; secondly, saying always, “Tell no one.” These are the workings which attempt a maximal quality of free will while maintaining fidelity to the positive purity of the working. ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 4:47am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/353 "2023-10-10T04:47:58Z")

There is something I have been wondering of late…but it’s probably not the case, I don’t think. If Ra is responsible for correcting distortions caused by their visitation in Egypt, even though their intentions were good, would the same apply to Jesus? Or is it different if one comes from a higher density and the other incarnates as third density. It’s just an idea which came to me… ---

**Author:** ![anon23924087](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2bfe46/32.png) [@anon23924087](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/anon23924087)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 9:06am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/354 "2023-10-10T09:06:00Z")

> [1](https://www.lawofone.info/s/1).[1](https://www.lawofone.info/s/1#1) However, **we then felt the great responsibility** of staying in the capacity of removing the distortions and powers that had been given to the Law of One. We will continue in this until your, shall we say, cycle is appropriately ended. If not this one, then the next. We are not a part of time and, thus, are able to be with you in any of your times. > [22](https://www.lawofone.info/s/22).[26](https://www.lawofone.info/s/22#26) We remind you that we are one of the naïve members of that Confederation and are still attempting to recoup the damage for which **we feel responsibility**. It is our duty as well as honor to continue with your peoples, therefore, until all traces of the distortions of our teach/learnings have been embraced by their opposite distortions, and balance achieved. (To my opinion) Responsibility can be external and internal. It means Ra feel responsibility, but do not owe. The same is related to Jesus. In this sense yes, he’s responsible. ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 11:57am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/355 "2023-10-10T11:57:08Z")

I believe A Course in Miracles claims that it was Jesus who was channeled. I haven’t read it (yet), but I believe its quite popular. Even Eckhart Tolle quotes from it sometimes. > [@](#): > > Questioner: > > In our culture there is a great saying that he will return. Can you tell me if this is planned? > > Ra: > > I am Ra. I will attempt to sort out this question. It is difficult. This entity became aware that it was not an entity of itself but operated as a messenger of the One Creator, whom this entity saw as Love. This entity was aware that this cycle was in its last portion and spoke to the effect that those of its consciousness would return at the harvest. > > The particular mind/body/spirit complex you call Jesus is, as what you would call an entity, not to return except as a member of the Confederation occasionally speaking through a channel. However, there are others of the identical congruency of consciousness that will welcome those to the fourth density. This is the meaning of the returning. ---

**Author:** ![Quid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/quid/32/109_2.png) [@Quid](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Quid)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 6:32pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/356 "2023-10-10T18:32:55Z")

Jesus is an ‘avatar’. Just like “Quid” is an avatar and “Passer-by” is an avatar. The ‘avatar’ will not “return” once it has “died”. But the “Christ Consciousness” that was experiencing as “Jesus” avatar never “left” thus will not and does not need to “return”. Search llresearch material on “Christ Consciousness” to understand what it actually is. ---

**Author:** ![Vasilisa](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/vasilisa/32/66_2.png) [@Vasilisa](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Vasilisa)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 8:05pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/357 "2023-10-10T20:05:07Z")

> [@Quid](#): > > Christ Consciousness To achieve enlightenment consciousness, conditions are needed, as well as for everything, you need your own conditions. Living a busy worldly life is unlikely to achieve such a consciousness… ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/358 "2023-10-10T20:44:03Z")

Christ consciousness is exactly the same as satori, moksha, nirvana, enlightenment, awakening, etc. etc. Just different phraseology. It’s union with God. ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 8:54pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/359 "2023-10-10T20:54:07Z")

> [@Vasilisa](#): > > To achieve enlightenment consciousness, conditions are needed, as well as for everything, you need your own conditions. Living a busy worldly life is unlikely to achieve such a consciousness… The reason I shared [this book](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/279) is because it was achieved by someone living a busy, worldly life. ---

**Author:** ![Vasilisa](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/vasilisa/32/66_2.png) [@Vasilisa](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Vasilisa)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 6:29am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/360 "2023-10-11T06:29:29Z")

“However, while going through it I could not ever identify where I was on the path. I couldn’t distinguish between the various stages in anything I read. But, I did know and was comforted and inspired by writings documenting the stages of possible evolution for an individual.The very idea of this possibility made it too much to ignore.” Collecting data and comparing it with your experience is not the same as living in an experience of enlightenment on a regular basis. This is a very characteristic state of consciousness, different from the usual human state of consciousness and ways of thinking. In an ordinary mundane life, it is very difficult to be in an enlightened state and cope with all the challenges of ordinary human life. Yes, there are certain stages of states of consciousness, no one denies this. The question always arises, how to practically show another person how to go through all these stages? And show the person to want to go through with it? My experience shows that most people try to banish thoughts about the possibility of enlightenment. I compare it with the ripening of apples, every harvest has its time…The needs of the Spirit, apparently, like apples ripen in their proper time… ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 6:43am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/361 "2023-10-11T06:43:31Z")

> [@Vasilisa](#): > > The question always arises, how to practically show another person how to go through all these stages? Yes, this she says (in some video on Youtube) is the greatest challenge for someone who has become enlightened. There’s one specific point where most get stuck, and it has to do with “losing the self”. The “self” being the surface level personality, you may call it the “ego” if you wish. She says the plateau until she reached that pivotal point (where most get stuck) took 30 years. She says Teresa of Àvila also mentions this “point” in her book Interior Castle. I have done so many times, but I would once again recommend [The Impersonal Life](https://www.amazon.com/Impersonal-Life-Joseph-Benner/dp/0875163017) by Joseph Benner. It is possible for anyone who’s ready, regardless of their life situation. > [@The Art of Meditation - Joel Goldsmith](#): > > Freedom, peace, and plenty are not dependent upon circumstances or conditions. Men have been free in chains; they have been free under slavery and oppression; they have found peace in the midst of war; they have survived floods and famine; they have prospered in periods of depression and panic. > > When the Soul of man is free, it carries him through Red Seas and desert experiences to the Promised Land of spiritual peace. Freedom is a condition of the Soul. As we turn to the kingdom of our inner Self, we find the reign of divine Power in the outer world. As we seek peace within, we find harmony without. > > We reach the depth of the Soul, and It takes over our existence, providing activity and newness of life, a peace and serenity, the like of which we have never dreamed. We then have achieved the freedom of the Soul, the freedom of grace. ---

**Author:** ![Passer-by](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/passer-by/32/2283_2.png) [@Passer-by](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Passer-by)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 7:16am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/362 "2023-10-11T07:16:37Z")

One of the most amazing books I’ve ever read was a group of four women channeling during WW2 while bombs were falling everywhere and Nazis were after them. > **[Talking with Angels: Newly revised and expanded fifth edition - Kindle edition...](https://www.amazon.com/Talking-Angels-Newly-revised-expanded-ebook/dp/B0855T6HZN)** > > Talking with Angels: Newly revised and expanded fifth edition - Kindle edition by Mallasz, Gitta, Dallos, Hanna. Download it once and read it on your Kindle device, PC, phones or tablets. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting... ---

**Author:** ![Vasilisa](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/vasilisa/32/66_2.png) [@Vasilisa](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Vasilisa)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 11:15am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370/363 "2023-10-11T11:15:29Z")

I wanted to say that for some people, the states of egolessness and acceptance of the Atman are categorically incomprehensible, they find such people cold and in some ways even dangerous for themselves. Such people prefer to develop the power of their own ego, through life and feelings, sincerely believing that it is better this way. This is a paradox that I constantly encounter. For someone, the experiences of mystical Christianity and New Thought are understandable and natural, for someone they are repulsive and insane 🙂 The paradox [Previous page](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370.md?page=17) [Next page](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/message-from-jesus/1370.md?page=19)