# Does alcohol affect our harvestability?

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**Created:** [January 5, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/does-alcohol-affect-our-harvestability/628 "2023-01-05T18:31:12Z")\
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**Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/does-alcohol-affect-our-harvestability/628/1 "2023-01-05T18:31:12Z")

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If we drink about once a month, does that affect our harvestability?

Or our ability for ascension?

Maybe I am worrying too much. But I hear that getting buzzed, if you have any sort of addiction, you cannot ascend.

Also wondering if we eat meat if that affects our harvestability?

Maybe I’m being too nervous.

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**Author:** ![Quid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/quid/32/109_2.png) [@Quid](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/Quid)\
**Post date:** [January 6, 2023, 4:27am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/does-alcohol-affect-our-harvestability/628/2 "2023-01-06T04:27:41Z")

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#### Q’uo

I am Q’uo and am aware of your query, my brother. The effect on the spiritual seeker of these various intoxicants is quite various to be honest. There is not one particular rule of thumb, shall we say, or practice, that would pertain to each entity. For some, in wine it is truly said _in vino veritas_, there is truth there. For some entities, the ability to release the cares of the day and to become, shall we say, high or drunken, is a way to find the inner self for a moment or two and to allow this inner child to play. For others, who have different personalities, it is difficult to undertake such experiences without suffering the more deleterious effects of the addictive nature of such substances to certain personalities. In this case, the learning and potential lies within the obverse experience, that is, to discover a reason to not use such substances. Thus, we cannot give you a general rule that is applicable for all entities.

from : [December 17, 2016 - Saturday meditation - L/L Research](https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2016/1217)

Sadhguru told an interesting story about intoxicant.  
A person was visited by the devil and told that it’s time for him to die.  
But if you agree to commit only one of this act then I will give you a new lease of life.

1. Kill your devoted servant.
2. Beat your wife
3. Drink wine

The person said; I cannot kill my servant or beat my own wife, I will drink wine then if you give me a new lease of life.  
So he drink wine and after so much of regular intoxication he start to lose control over himself, his wife told him that it’s better for him to become sober so he beat her. Then the servant came try to stop him and he killed the servant.

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**Author:** ![tadeus](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/tadeus/32/128_2.png) [@tadeus](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/tadeus)\
**Post date:** [January 6, 2023, 10:24am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/does-alcohol-affect-our-harvestability/628/3 "2023-01-06T10:24:12Z")

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> [@anon68228247](#):
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> If we drink about once a month, does that affect our harvestability?

It increases the probability of harvesting medical services. 🤣

> [@anon68228247](#):
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> Or our ability for ascension?

In the times where the anesthesia is present - for sure.

> [@anon68228247](#):
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> Also wondering if we eat meat if that affects our harvestability?

This question is not so easy or humorous to answer.  
Is it not a question why we are doing such things?

What about a hunter who enjoys hunting?

> [@anon68228247](#):
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> Maybe I’m being too nervous.

I would say so.

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**Author:** ![the-stumbled-one](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bring4th.org/the-stumbled-one/32/85_2.png) [@the-stumbled-one](https://discourse.bring4th.org/u/the-stumbled-one)\
**Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 2:50am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/does-alcohol-affect-our-harvestability/628/4 "2023-01-07T02:50:50Z")

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Ra is very clear,  
“knowing is not a pre-requisite” when it comes to harvestability, if I recall correctly it is early on in the first book.

live your life, be authentic, let the love flow…  
Worrying about harvestability, or trying to be harvestable in my opinion not as important as being free to live ones life to its fullest potential, it is what it is…

Another thing about alcohol, there’s heaps of video’s about exactly what alcohol does to the body, that may interest you more than its influence on harvestability, I used to drink, but once I learned, I don’t anymore, each to their own, self love, the body is a temple. Having said that, sometimes, pertaining to acts of love and friendship, a drink could be a good thing too, in the act of sharing, connecting… Ra enjoyed an image of the group sharing a beverage with Ra.

Regarding eating meat, are you resistant to being the hunter, or resistant to being the prey… Both are valid, do you eat meat with respect and gratefulness? are you aware of the aspect of sacrifice so you may survive, and the balance of nature? Or are your actions based on prejudices or thoughts of others… is love present or fear?

The authentic you being you, that’s important.

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**Post date:** [January 10, 2023, 11:57am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/does-alcohol-affect-our-harvestability/628/5 "2023-01-10T11:57:28Z")

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“The horse knows the way home.”

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**Post date:** [January 11, 2023, 8:45am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/does-alcohol-affect-our-harvestability/628/6 "2023-01-11T08:45:39Z")

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Any sort of addiction?

I’ve never met a human without some sort of addiction. Around 80% of working age adults are dependent on caffeine. But besides drugs…

There’s the obvious ones like gambling. Then there’s smart phones, the internet in general, giving advice, oxygen, companionship, pornography, sex, working, crypto speculating, power, racking up accomplishments, video games, tv, and certain monks spend enough time meditating for even that to qualify. Attention is an addiction that destroys the youth currently as surely as any drug epidemic. All social media, no reality, led by the pied pipers of shadowy algorithms designed by the architects of various psychopathic global cabals. TAnything your thoughts return to and you have trouble stopping… psychological addiction. Some people with ocd get addicted to religious or spiritual ritual.

Now so far this comment might seem stupid to you, like I’m just stretching things. Let’s rectify that, my dear therianthrope.

Ask yourself, besides the unavoidable addictions like oxygen and food, would I kill to satiate this habit, be it substance, activity, or state or status? If not, would I break any ideal I hold high? Would I abandon a loved one in need to satiate it? Would I steal attention away from something or someone I felt compassion for? Would I put in jeopardy something I knew was more urgent or important?

If not, you’re fine.

As they say in Dune, fear is the mind killer. Balance is important and I find, no matter the philosophy or mythology, that often those excessively concerned with spiritual matters waste way too much time thinking if they’re going to “hell” or going to fail at whatever.

This is not the density of understanding, as they say, even if we take Ra at his word what we have are words that besides some general cosmology, are but shadows of true understanding even if you obsess over this your entire life. Often of things I’m sure we’re quite incapable of truly grasping while our consciousness is filtered through a physical, ultimately illusionary or not, ape brain.

It’s hard in this world, but just try to find peace and love where and when you can. Keep your heart and mind open and play neither the tyrant nor the slave. Deal with the stones life throws at you as best you can.

As long as you’re not actively propagating, intentionally, suffering or enslavement or serving those that do and can still feel love, just let the river go where it may and satiate your curiosities with wisdom and whatever gems of knowledge you can gather.

You’ll find out something more when you die, just do your best until then.

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**Post date:** [January 11, 2023, 10:22am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/does-alcohol-affect-our-harvestability/628/7 "2023-01-11T10:22:40Z")

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> [@LSDMTNT](#):
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> There’s the obvious ones like gambling. Then there’s smart phones, the internet in general, giving advice, oxygen, companionship, pornography, sex, working, crypto speculating, power, racking up accomplishments, video games, tv, and certain monks spend enough time meditating for even that to qualify. Attention is an addiction that destroys the youth currently as surely as any drug epidemic. All social media, no reality, led by the pied pipers of shadowy algorithms designed by the architects of various psychopathic global cabals.

That’s true.  
Alcohol is only the most common drug to daze from the suffering of life.

> [@LSDMTNT](#):
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> This is not the density of understanding, as they say, even if we take Ra at his word what we have are words that besides some general cosmology, are but shadows of true understanding even if you obsess over this your entire life. Often of things I’m sure we’re quite incapable of truly grasping while our consciousness is filtered through a physical, ultimately illusionary or not, ape brain.

That’s why there are always to parts in this dualistic density that have to be balanced.

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**Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 4:23am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/does-alcohol-affect-our-harvestability/628/8 "2023-12-28T04:23:39Z")

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If you only drink once a month in moderation that seems more than reasonable. But if once a month you beat your spouse, kick your dog and sustain a hangover for 3 days I’d say you should think about replacing your wine with club soda. When you die and go through your life review it’s all about how you treated others and how you made them feel. In love and light

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**Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 9:23pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/does-alcohol-affect-our-harvestability/628/9 "2024-01-04T21:23:40Z")

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I think the best way to summarize use of alcohol is in words of Q’uo:

> The intake of substances that alter consciousness is not recommended as a means of attaining spiritual learning. It is **far better to allow a natural development of spiritual powers** than to try to attain them by the use of substances which put one artificially in a more pure or refined state of awareness. When alcohol is taken or various drugs are used, depending on the nature of the drug, it shuts down the ability to do spiritual work at that time to one extent or another depending on the substance.
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> Consequently, if one wishes **to have alcohol** and become merry, or to indulge in other drug use which seems good to that person, he needs to be aware that **he will not be able to have that acuity of mind and that control over the use of the will that go hand in hand with spiritual work**. Once the effects of the substance have worn off, **the entity is back where he started and is able to use his normal facilities in his normal ways. There is nothing intrinsically negative in the use of such substances.**
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> It may be seen that when one wishes to do spiritual work it is well not to use such substances. Yet one has many moods. And we do not frown upon those who wish to take some relaxation time. Indeed, we feel that the addiction that many of your people have to watching television or playing video games has just exactly the same damping effect on spirituality. One cannot do spiritual work when one is totally involved in a video game or watching a show on television, yet those things are enjoyable and are there for you to use when you wish to use them.  
> [November 24, 2007](https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2007/1124)

My humble conclusion is that alcohol has its positive side and can be beneficial when used in small amounts from time to time (especially if with the intention of STO). However, if the time under the influence and/or the amount is high in a way that significantly changes the person, such as not doing certain things during that time that he/she would normally feel drawn to from somewhere in the person’s heart/subconscious/higher self, then a sign that this alcohol is too much and has a negative effect and deprives him/her of the possibility of spiritual evolution.

So yes, alcohol affects our ability to harvest in the sense that it can effectively suppress our ability to develop STO polarity. As the entire body/mind/spirit complex works less efficiently, an individual’s abilities can shift to working at the level of lower centers and capturing energy. According to some psychologists, alcoholics are like people with narcissistic personality disorder, which is how they compare them.

So it seems to me that alcohol and other stimulants, including drugs, can help a person become negatively polarized. Under the influence of these substances, it’s easier to suppress or control the catalyst one doesn’t want, or to suppress the Heart, which can get in the way of full negativity.

Theoretically, one can use these substances toward the development of STO, however great foundation gives a **natural and balanced state of sobriety** , which this corresponds to the same qualities that are characteristic of positive polarization as such: **naturalness and balance**.

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**Post date:** [January 5, 2024, 7:14am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/does-alcohol-affect-our-harvestability/628/10 "2024-01-05T07:14:38Z")

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See yourself and see the infinite creator,  
see another and see the infinite creator;  
might it be that in alcohol likewise can be  
seen the infinite creator?

Beyond the idea that yeast might be alive  
and be creative in some sense, might not  
be farfetched. Yeast metabolizes sugar  
into alcohol. There’s many opportunities  
to see things as creations one onion skin  
away from a kernel that’s important.

Maybe seeing things as the infinite  
creator is analogous to metabolizing  
things by a law of one perspective.

Maybe there’s a stupor found in words  
as alternative to stupor found in other  
ways.

Maybe some people choose to create  
some problem. Is prohibition a problem?  
I think black markets may be a solution  
to such problems, which therein resides  
some creation of some other problems.

There may be utility in state changes  
that foster the enhancement of some  
desired experience as trade-off to  
some degradation in other respects.

Is there legitimacy in experiencing  
all things desired - if the desire factors  
some altered state of being?

America is the land of the free, but oh  
there’s a hidden cost to freedom paid  
for in many cases by innocent people.

So in striving not to harm may be some  
balance found in moderation, which  
better guards freedom of choice ongoing.

I think a bias toward moderation that  
seems recommended promotes and  
helps sustain a safe place of teach  
learning for most people.

This seems  
a tactic many universities adopt even  
though university students commonly  
need to blow off steam party wise.

See another and see the creation of  
infinite problems and creative problem  
solvers who benefit by the commerce.

I have a coworker from Iran who says  
in the old days, wine was sacred  
because it helped reveal your true  
self uninhibited, which may have been  
difficult by any other means available  
in antiquity.

An example of activity  
that may not happen because of  
inhibition seems to be procreation.  
Might procreation be an STO activity,  
parenting as helping polarize STO  
in some way harvestable?

That is, much of humanity is the  
result of random fertilizations brought  
on by people enjoying themselves in  
ways uninhibited.

Might creative acts  
of procreation be sacred? Can things  
like holy matrimony be consummated  
by inebriated spouses, or is that some  
sort of desecration?

It seems some question of context.  
An alternate example may be some  
drunk driver who gets charged with  
manslaughter, where possibly that  
act renders them STS harvestable.

So maybe as infinite creators,  
people create their degrees of  
harvestable polarization, and  
alcohol might factor into that.

With creative conscious intent,  
possibly the resulting polarization  
gained by use of alcohol increases.  
Cheers to that!

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**Post date:** [January 5, 2024, 3:54pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/does-alcohol-affect-our-harvestability/628/11 "2024-01-05T15:54:38Z")

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I think, important question here is why are you asking about it? From this point you can advance in reasonings.

If you feel you have addiction it impacts on balance so it’s better not to drink it. If you have never tried it and it’s interesting to try, that’s a different story.

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**Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 12:24pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/does-alcohol-affect-our-harvestability/628/12 "2024-02-14T12:24:58Z")

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Alcohol hinders the ability to be present in the Now. It hinders consciousness, and does a far better job at concealing, the ego and the pain body to act, as if it is consciousness.

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**Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 9:29pm UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/does-alcohol-affect-our-harvestability/628/13 "2024-08-07T21:29:49Z")

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In our spiritual journey, the universe offers experiences as part of our growth. If you drink or eat meat, it’s important to focus on your intent and consciousness rather than perfection. I’ve found balance with my habits, including vaping [Spaceman Nebula 25000](https://nexussmoke.com/products/spaceman-nebula-25000-plus-disposable-vape), and I’ve still experienced ascension. It’s about your path and how you align with your higher self. Trust the process and don’t stress too much. You’re already part of the ascension.

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**Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 8:04am UTC](https://discourse.bring4th.org/t/does-alcohol-affect-our-harvestability/628/14 "2024-08-13T08:04:15Z")

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Sometimes there’s book reading and  
sometimes there’s experiential learning,  
one can learn the easy way or one can  
learn the hard way. I think this forum  
encourages drug and alcohol free states  
as conducive to wellbeing, that generally  
works well for most people, clean living.  
Thanks for encouraging that.

In my wanderings, I’ve found places like  
bars can jeopardize spiritual well being  
by way of spiritual attachment which may  
be like some monkey on your back which  
doesn’t tend to bring out the best in you.  
Such attachments can be like a wound,  
and a special healer can work to bring  
relief. Reiki comes to mind as potentially  
helpful. I’m fairly sure I learned this by a  
school of hard knocks. (Developing self  
discipline and holding personal boundaries  
seems a character trait I admire, this helps  
with self esteem and self confidence.)